The King James Code

[Biblebeliever]

What is the Pattern?
(I see you ignored my earlier post.)

Hi there Darkwing Duck, I may have missed your earlier post and question addressed to me on accident. I do apologize.

The Numerical pattern is any of the Numerical codes that can be seen all throughout the Scriptures. Numerical Patterns of 7, 9, 12, 40, etc. can be seen in the Scriptures as well as other Numerical and Textual patterns.

I haven't seen a pattern. Some names of God are in the KJV in multiples of 7, some are not. Some are only in the NT in multiples of 7, some only in the OT. Some require selective editing, some do not . . . so what is the Pattern (or Numerical Code) that you refer to?

Well I have referred to a few of them. But let me show you an example of one such Numerical Pattern that is in the Authorized King James Bible.

According to the Scriptures, at salvation, the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ gets imputed onto us.


21 But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;
22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:
23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. - Romans 3:21-26 (KJV)



21 For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. - 2 Corinthians 5:21 (KJV)


So we know from reading those Scriptures that Jesus Christ is our righteousness.

Now check this out. The word "Christ" appears a total of 555 times in the King James Holy Bible.
And all forms of the word "Righteous" (i.e. righteously, righteousness, righteousnesses, righteousness') all add up to 555 times!

Here is the amount of times each form of the word "Righteous" appears in the Scriptures:


righteous (lower case) = 235 times

Righteous = 3 times

righteously =  8 times

Righteousness = 3

RIGHTEOUSNESS = 1

righteousness = 298 times

righteousness' = 4 times

righteousnesses = 3 times


235+3+8+3+1+298+4+3 = 555


That is just one.

Here is another Numerical patter, and this one involves the number 9.

If you have ever studied Bible Numerics at all in the past and Bible Prophecy, well then you would know that 9 is mainly the number for fruitfulness and fruitbearing. That is the main Biblical meaning of the number 9 in the Scriptures. Here are some examples of that.

The 9th book of the New Testament is the book of Galatians. And it just so happens that the 9 fruits of the Spirit are mentioned in the book of Galatians:

love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance (Gal. 5:22-23).

The phrase fruit of the Spirit appears only two times in the Scriptures. Want to take a guess where it shows up the second time? Ephesians 5:9

The very phrase: "Be fruitful" is found exactly 9 times in the Holy Scriptures.

The word "Holy Ghost" appears 90 times (9x10) in the Holy Scriptures.


Sara was 90 years old when she had Isaac.


The Holy Bible is a very fruitful Book and it is able to help many Christians bear much spiritual fruit in their lives. The phrase Holy Bible has 9 letters.

The very first verse of Genesis 9 opens up with the following blessed and command from God given to Noah:


9 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

 

[FSSL]

Now check this out. The word "Christ" appears a total of 555 times in the King James Holy Bible.
And all forms of the word "Righteous" (i.e. righteously, righteousness, righteousnesses, righteousness') all add up to 555 times!

Here is the amount of times each form of the word "Righteous" appears in the Scriptures:


righteous (lower case) = 235 times

Righteous = 3 times

righteously =  8 times

Righteousness = 3

RIGHTEOUSNESS = 1

righteousness = 298 times

righteousness' = 4 times

righteousnesses = 3 times


235+3+8+3+1+298+4+3 = 555

Okay... time to really examine this nonsense with the KJV. I will choose one from the above.

"Christ" is found 573x, not 555x
---If we eliminate the 2 occasions where false Christs is shown, then you have 571.
---If we eliminate the 16x where Christ's is found, then you get to 555.

"Righte*" is found 555x

If we add the words "right, rightly" which should appear in the list above* since it ALSO speaks of being just, we have at least 590 (I stopped counting)

So, we have two problems with this...

1) The data was wrong. There has been a false counting of "Christ." It dos not include "Christ's" which must also be included.
2) The data was incomplete. There are other forms of "right" which have been left out.

What we have is a very manipulated scheme which ends up with false teaching.






*Note: I have eliminated the "right" with the meaning of direction (right hand, right eye).

 

[FSSL]

I used the Logos Bible Software (version 4).
The Logos data set has not been manipulated. It contains the full text.
It should be mentioned that the queries used are without bias. Logos is not designed to support a biblical numerology system and has not been manipulated to manufacture results.

 

[pastorryanhayden]

This thread inspired me.  I wrote about it today on my blog.  Here's what I said:

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Recently, I’ve noticed what seems to be a revival of interest in “Biblical Numerology.” For the most part, it seems this is being championed by extreme King James Only proponents as “proof” that the King James is double inspired. (While I am King James only, I reject the notion that it is double inspired for a number of reasons.) The basic idea is this: God has invested numbers with a certain significance (i.e. 7 stands for completion) and that you can look through the King James Bible and find patterns of these numbers. The preachers of this theory either point to the verse numbers, to the number of letters in a word, to the amount of times a word is found in the King James, and even to the divisibility of numbers obtained by any of the ways above and they say that this is proof that the King James is the final authority.

I believe strongly that this is a heresy and that it needs to be contended against as much as we see it. Here are five reasons why:

1. Numerology is not taught in scripture.
You cannot find a single passage of scripture where numerology is taught or commended. (On the contrary, divination, of which numerology is a part, is always condemned in scripture.) You may be able to find lots of verses with numbers in them. Those numbers may seem to be a pattern, but nowhere are we taught to look for systems of numbers in the scripture much less told what those numbers signify.

The Bible is supposed to be authoritative. Yet, when you start looking for numerical patterns, the best you are doing is guessing. Rather than add to the authority of scripture, you are spending your study time chasing rabbits that in the long run, have no biblical authority.

On a similar note…

2. Numerology sets up a preacher as a “Bible Study Wizard”
Extreme King James Only advocates are quick to mock those who take the Received Text position, saying that we believe you have to know Greek and Hebrew to have the Word of God. They say that we are stealing the authority away from the text and putting it in ourselves as “Bible Scholars.”

Ironically, these are the same guys who are peddling books about numerology. How do they find these patterns? Who gets to say which numbers stand for what? Where does all of this come from? Ultimately, it comes from a preacher’s imagination. You have to just take His word for it. So the same crowd that mocks and belittles the study of biblical languages because it sets up a “Catholic” division between preachers and people is making pope like pronouncements about “Bible Codes” that have been lost on all of us laymen since the first century.

So…

3. Numerology becomes a replacement for what the Bible actually says.
There are 66 books in the Bible. These are the “all scripture” that is “profitable” and makes us “throughly furnished unto all good works.” It would take a lifetime to cover those 66 books, and even then not thoroughly. I’ve been preaching through the book of Matthew once a week since November 2011 and I’m on chapter 19. I’ve got my hands full just trying to study and explain what the Bible plainly says.

So why should I waste people’s time getting them looking for patterns that supposedly exist below the surface? The surface is complicated enough! Ultimately, numerology is a diversion that takes the authority from what the Bible says and puts it on a preacher.

4. Numerologists can find whatever they want in the Bible.
If you look at clouds long enough, they’ll start to look like lions, or elephants, or pizza or the new Ford F-150. If you look at a page full of polka dots long enough, you’ll see patterns there. You can make whatever patterns you want.

The Bible is a long book. In it are millions of words and letters, and thousands of verses and chapters. When you start adding up letters and dividing verse numbers of course you are going to find patterns. Just like you’d find patterns in the dictionary or encyclopedia or any other really long book if you looked hard enough.

When you move into numerology you stop being an honest student of scripture and move into the realm of conspiracy theory. You become a diviner – looking for meaning in omens. You believe what you want to believe and the only thing it nets you is the disdain of others.

5. Numerology is not necessary to prove that God’s word is inspired.
You don’t need numerology to prove that God’s Word is inspired. All you need is God’s Word. Fulfilled prophecy, historical accuracy, and longevity would all be more helpful than numerology – but even these are unnecessary. The biggest evidence that God’s Word is breathed out by God is the fact that God’s Word breathes life into those who hear it. God’s Word converts the soul, makes wise the simple, and enlightens the eyes (Psalm 19). I know of no other book that does that.

When the extreme KJVo proponents run to numerology (or turn to meanness, which is even more common) to gain respect for their position – they gain nothing besides making their position less believable.

 

[Biblebeliever]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

Okay, they may have thought they came to pass but did they really? Those signs that Jesus spoke of, many have already come to pass in these last days. We've had pestilences, earthquakes in divers places, famines, one nation rising against another nation. And many false prophets have certainly risen up to deceive many. What I am basically telling you rsc2a is that we don't think these things are happening, they actually are happening and have already. Just as our Lord Jesus Christ prophesied that they would.

How very Ameri-centric of you. Of course, the fact that the predominate language in America is American English (not Elizabethan English!) doesn't actually change what I said at all. You are aware that there are other countries right?

Of course I am aware that there are other countries. You have Lesotho, Botswana, Kenya, Switzerland, Arabia, New Zealand, Barbados, and so forth. I could go on.

But if you study the thing of the languages today, you can see that people all over the world are seeking to learn English.

One that points us to the Father through the Son by the Spirit without diminishing or changing the message the original author(s) intended.

But the question is rsc2a is does your definition of a perfect Bible line up with the definition of a perfect Bible according to the Scripture?

A Bible that points us to the Father through the Son by the Spirit would never attack Jesus' Deity. And it would not dishonour the Lord Jesus Christ either.


But that is what the modern Vatican versions do. They attack the Lord Jesus Christ and they dishonour both the Lord Jesus and also the Father.


21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.
22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live. - John 5:21-25 (KJV)

Here is proof that the corrupt modern bible Vatican versions do not honour the Son nor the Father:

How Modern Translations Dishonor the Son and Father!

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Sorry...when someone reads that the Israelites will be able to mine brass out of hills, they are going to understand it to mean that the Israelites are going to be able to mine brass out of hills. This in spite of the fact that brass is an alloy that doesn't even occur naturally in nature.

rsc2a, I looked up the phrase: "mine brass out of hills" and I could not find it. What chapter and verse of Scripture are you referring to?

Also; again, just because there is a certain passage in the Authorized King James Bible that you are having difficulty understanding, does not make that passage an error in the Scriptures. It is you or the other person who is erring. But it is never the Holy Scriptures.

And when I say Holy Scriptures, I am referring to the Authorized King James Bible, which is the absolutely pure and perfect word of God.

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

I know a local preacher who says "I am convinced that the King James is God's preserved word ..."

He is convinced through mediation, certain Biblical text, witness of the new versions .... but, unlike doctrine, this is a strong conviction.

I don't care how strong his "conviction" is, if it's not soundly based on the word of God.  Fervency and sincerity are no substitute for revealed truth, and he has none.

This is the IFBx version of "Burning in the bosom".

 

[pastorryanhayden]

Deuteronomy 8:9
A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass.

He copied the verse earlier without comment and I don't think anyone knew what he was getting at.

 

[rsc2a]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

Okay, they may have thought they came to pass but did they really? Those signs that Jesus spoke of, many have already come to pass in these last days. We've had pestilences, earthquakes in divers places, famines, one nation rising against another nation. And many false prophets have certainly risen up to deceive many. What I am basically telling you rsc2a is that we don't think these things are happening, they actually are happening and have already. Just as our Lord Jesus Christ prophesied that they would.

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

(I'm beginning to notice a theme here....)

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]How very Ameri-centric of you. Of course, the fact that the predominate language in America is American English (not Elizabethan English!) doesn't actually change what I said at all. You are aware that there are other countries right?[/quote]

Of course I am aware that there are other countries. You have Lesotho, Botswana, Kenya, Switzerland, Arabia, New Zealand, Barbados, and so forth. I could go on.

But if you study the thing of the languages today, you can see that people all over the world are seeking to learn English. [/quote]

And Spanish. And German. And French. And Russian. And Arabic. And Swahili. And especially Mandarin Chinese...probably because it's so much more widely spoken than any other language....

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]One that points us to the Father through the Son by the Spirit without diminishing or changing the message the original author(s) intended.[/quote]

But the question is rsc2a is does your definition of a perfect Bible line up with the definition of a perfect Bible according to the Scripture?[/quote]

Chapter and verse please.

[quote author=Biblebeliever]A Bible that points us to the Father through the Son by the Spirit would never attack Jesus' Deity. And it would not dishonour the Lord Jesus Christ either.[/quote]

I agree!

[quote author=Biblebeliever]But that is what the modern Vatican versions do. They attack the Lord Jesus Christ and they dishonour both the Lord Jesus and also the Father.[/quote]

So you can provide examples of this in modern versions? I'll be waiting...

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]Sorry...when someone reads that the Israelites will be able to mine brass out of hills, they are going to understand it to mean that the Israelites are going to be able to mine brass out of hills. This in spite of the fact that brass is an alloy that doesn't even occur naturally in nature.
[/quote]

rsc2a, I looked up the phrase: "mine brass out of hills" and I could not find it. What chapter and verse of Scripture are you referring to?

Also; again, just because there is a certain passage in the Authorized King James Bible that you are having difficulty understanding, does not make that passage an error in the Scriptures. It is you or the other person who is erring. But it is never the Holy Scriptures.

And when I say Holy Scriptures, I am referring to the Authorized King James Bible, which is the absolutely pure and perfect word of God.[/quote]

I'm guessing which version of the KJV you happened to be referring to but here you go:

For the Lord thy God bringeth thee into a good land, a land of brooks of water, of fountains and depths that spring out of valleys and hills; A land of wheat, and barley, and vines, and fig trees, and pomegranates; a land of oil olive, and honey; A land wherein thou shalt eat bread without scarceness, thou shalt not lack any thing in it; a land whose stones are iron, and out of whose hills thou mayest dig brass. - Deut 8:7-9

 

[Ransom]

What we have is a very manipulated scheme which ends up with false teaching.

Absolutely. Hoggard showed up on the Bible Versions Discussion Board way back in 1999, and it was obvious that his reasoning was selective. He argues, for example, that the number 12 stands for "governmental perfection" and "the Church," and that the word "Jerusalem" occurs in the New Testament 144 times (i.e. 12 times 12!).

Of course, he says nothing of the 667 occurrences of "Jerusalem" in the Old Testament, nor the 811 occurrences total.  Why not? Because they don't prove anything. Hoggard cherry-picks his evidences and ignores anything that doesn't fit his conclusions.

The Bible is a long book, with not only a lot of numbers in the body of the text, but plenty of statistics that could be compiled. There's no surprise that we find a few "significant" numeric coincidences, but I don't doubt they'd be buried under a ton of "proves-nothing" numbers as well. The "King James Bible Code" is just a book-length example of confirmation bias in action.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

And Spanish. And German. And French. And Russian. And Arabic. And Swahili. And especially Mandarin Chinese...probably because it's so much more widely spoken than any other language....

Actually, I'm trying to learn both Mandarin and Cantonese.  It's not going very well, but I'll keep plugging.

By the way, she's saying, "We're all Chinese now."

 

[Darkwing Duck]

BibleBeliever: I challenge you to take some Math courses dealing with patterns, etc.

Neither of the two examples you provided me with are "patterns." I might accept the fact that "Christ" and "Righteous" both appear in the Bible 555x is a pattern. And I might even be stretched to accept that forms of the word "Christ" and forms of the word "righteous" appear 555x indicates a pattern. But you say that 1 form of the word "Christ" and 5 forms of the word "righteous" both add up to 555x which is clearly NOT a pattern. This is obvious right?

 

[subllibrm]

Well sir, I am simply acknowledging the fact that they are in the text of the Authorized King James Holy Bible. Again, these Textual Patterns and Numerical Codes definitely reveal the Divine Inspiration of the King James Holy Bible. Such a remarkable Book!

Does this code work in all versions of the KJV? After all you have declined to tell us which one is the right one.

Subllibrm, what do you mean by all versions of the KJV?


Are you referring to the several editions of the KJV?

Sure, whatever you want to call it. They aren't the same.

BTW another  question, is it Savior or Saviour?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Well sir, I am simply acknowledging the fact that they are in the text of the Authorized King James Holy Bible. Again, these Textual Patterns and Numerical Codes definitely reveal the Divine Inspiration of the King James Holy Bible. Such a remarkable Book!

Does this code work in all versions of the KJV? After all you have declined to tell us which one is the right one.

Subllibrm, what do you mean by all versions of the KJV?


Are you referring to the several editions of the KJV?

Sure, whatever you want to call it. They aren't the same.

BTW another  question, is it Savior or Saviour?

It should work for any Bible version.  All you have to do is refine your selection criteria until you get a multiple of 7. 

 

[subllibrm]

[size=12pt]rsc2a, I looked up the phrase: "mine brass out of hills" and I could not find it. What chapter and verse of Scripture are you referring to?

Maybe if you tried reading the bible instead of counting the words you would have some idea of what it says.  :-\

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

What we have is a very manipulated scheme which ends up with false teaching.

Milton Bradley Battleship game Opera TV commercial 1975

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

They should get KJVOs to host one of those ghost hunting TV shows, because they've mastered the art of seeing things that are not there. 

 

[AmazedbyGrace]

Lookie who made SFL today. 124 comments so far.

http://www.stufffundieslike.com/2013/09/kjv-bible-codes/

 

[subllibrm]

Okay, I did some math and this can't be a coincidence.

Biblebeliever has 13 letters. Everyone knows that 13 is the number for bad luck and missing hotel floors. These are occult numbers. Everyone knows the occult use of numerology is evil (except for those who use it to determine bible truth).

Therefore Biblebeliever is missing a floor.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Okay... time to really examine this nonsense with the KJV. I will choose one from the above.

"Christ" is found 573x, not 555x
---If we eliminate the 2 occasions where false Christs is shown, then you have 571.
---If we eliminate the 16x where Christ's is found, then you get to 555.

I don't know what type of search software you have FSSL, but when I simply put in the word "Christ" the word count comes out to exactly 555.

"Righte*" is found 555x

If we add the words "right, rightly" which should appear in the list above* since it ALSO speaks of being just, we have at least 590 (I stopped counting)

So, we have two problems with this...

As for right and rightly, the word "right" appears 359 times in the Authorized Version. And the word "rightly" appears 4 times. So when you add them up, you get 363 times.

But again, the word which was being addressed was righteousness and all its varying forms.

1) The data was wrong. There has been a false counting of "Christ." It dos not include "Christ's" which must also be included.

Well the count was just on the word "Christ."

The word "Christ's" is found 16 times.

No manipulation being done whatsoever. And no, the data was correct. The counting for "Christ" exclusively was correct and accurate. Now when one takes the word "Christ's" then they will get a word count of 16.

2) The data was incomplete. There are other forms of "right" which have been left out.

Well remember FSSL, the word being addressed was "Righteousness." The word "right" was not being counted. Only the word "righteousness" and its varying forms.

What we have is a very manipulated scheme which ends up with false teaching.




*Note: I have eliminated the "right" with the meaning of direction (right hand, right eye).

No manipulated scheme at all. Just dealing with each word at a time. I made it clear that the word "righteousness" and its varying forms were being counted and added up. And I said that the word "Christ" appeared exactly 555 times in the Scriptures. Which it does. So the teaching is correct. Again, no manipulating of the evidence at all
sir.

 

[Biblebeliever]

BibleBeliever: I challenge you to take some Math courses dealing with patterns, etc.

Neither of the two examples you provided me with are "patterns." I might accept the fact that "Christ" and "Righteous" both appear in the Bible 555x is a pattern. And I might even be stretched to accept that forms of the word "Christ" and forms of the word "righteous" appear 555x indicates a pattern. But you say that 1 form of the word "Christ" and 5 forms of the word "righteous" both add up to 555x which is clearly NOT a pattern. This is obvious right?

Well look at it this way. There is a clear parallel between Christ in the Scriptures and Righteousness and its varying forms. What it is teaching and shows us is that our righteousness comes from Jesus Christ.

And the significance of 555 is the biblical meaning. For instance, the number 5 in the Scriptures is the number for grace and redemption. The fifth time that the name of Noah is mentioned, it is mentioned with grace.


29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the Lord hath cursed. (1st time)

30 And Lamech lived after he begat Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begat sons and daughters: (2nd time)

31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.

32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begat Shem, Ham, and Japheth. - Genesis 5:29-32 (KJV) (3rd and 4th time)



8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord. - Genesis 6:8 (KJV) (5th time)




Also, the other spelling for Noah (i.e. Noe) is found exactly 5 times in the Gospels.

What is even more interesting is that while Noah is spelled as Noe in the Gospels, since when translating from Greek to English it is Noe and from Hebrew to English it is Noah. Noah is kept as Noah in Hebrews and also in the first and second epistle of Peter. Check this out:



King James Bible
But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. - Matthew 24:37




King James Bible
For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, - Matthew 24:38




King James Bible
Which was the son of Cainan, which was the son of Arphaxad, which was the son of Sem, which was the son of Noe, which was the son of Lamech, - Luke 3:36



King James Bible
And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. - Luke 17:26



King James Bible
They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. - Luke 17:27



King James Bible
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. - Hebrews 11:7



King James Bible
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water. - 1 Peter 3:20



King James Bible
And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; - 2 Peter 2:5


By the way, Psalm 77 is the 555th chapter of the Bible! It is absolutely amazing how God designed His Book.