The King James Code

[subllibrm]

Well sir, I am simply acknowledging the fact that they are in the text of the Authorized King James Holy Bible. Again, these Textual Patterns and Numerical Codes definitely reveal the Divine Inspiration of the King James Holy Bible. Such a remarkable Book!

Does this code work in all versions of the KJV? After all you have declined to tell us which one is the right one.

 

[Patebald]

Ok. Got it. Thanks for taking up an enormous amount of cyber space to bring me up to speed. Of course - you could have saved yourself all the trouble by just typing 2 words - GAIL RIPLINGER. I would have immediately realized that you were bat shiz crazy and walked away. After all - she's the one who started this circus side show when she claimed God embedded the English language on the wings of a monarch butterfly. ????????

O man - I can't even say it with a straight face.

 

[bgwilkinson]

The KJV code only works with the genuine original unmutilated complete King James Bible printed by Robert Barker.

http://sceti.library.upenn.edu/sceti/printedbooksNew/index.cfm?textID=kjbible&PagePosition=1

 

[subllibrm]

A continual stream of "it is too true" posts. 

Bible Believer has completely ignored my questions. Pretty easy to answer I would think.

Oxford or Cambridge?

Spanish? Did God preserve His word in Spanish with a code too?

When was this code discovered? The translation in some form has been around for 400 years. Who/when/where? Why did it take so long for someone to notice these affirming proofs hidden in the text?

One argument for the KJVO position is that the men who did the KJV translation were the smartest ever assembled to take on such a task. Weird that they would not have been smart enough to notice this code as they were writing out themselves.

 

[Patebald]

Ok. Got it. Thanks for taking up an enormous amount of cyber space to bring me up to speed. Of course - you could have saved yourself all the trouble by just typing 2 words - GAIL RIPLINGER. I would have immediately realized that you were bat shiz crazy and walked away. After all - she's the one who started this circus side show when she claimed God embedded the English language on the wings of a monarch butterfly. ????????

O man - I can't even say it with a straight face.

who are you talking about?..... and who are you referring to as being "bat shiz crazy"?...

The OP & Gail Riplinger.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Well sir, I am simply acknowledging the fact that they are in the text of the Authorized King James Holy Bible. Again, these Textual Patterns and Numerical Codes definitely reveal the Divine Inspiration of the King James Holy Bible. Such a remarkable Book!

Does this code work in all versions of the KJV? After all you have declined to tell us which one is the right one.

Subllibrm, what do you mean by all versions of the KJV?


Are you referring to the several editions of the KJV?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

I bought an audio version of the KJV.  When I play it backward it says, "Number Seven... Number Seven... Number Seven..."

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Here is a brief excerpt from Mike Hoggard's book: The King James Code


"Allow me to display some of the 7 related patterns in column form. In this first column, we will list the various titles and attributes given to God and His Son Jesus, followed by the number of times that particular phrase is mentioned in the KJV."

Son of Man 196 times (49x4)
Jesus Christ 196 times (49x4)
Word of God 49 times (7x7)
Son of God 49 times in the New Testament (only once in OT)

What does this mean? (only once in OT) The Son of God is not perfect in the OT?

Most High 49 times
The Word of the Lord 245 times (49x5)
The Word 7 times
Husbandman 7 times
My Beloved Son 7 times
His Son 7 times
Firstborn 7 times
Thy Word 7 times in the New Testament

Ooh, failed again. What's your explanation as to why "Thy Word" is only perfect in the NT yet other names require the whole Bible to get perfect.
And since you keep insisting that this isn't some mystical code then how come I can't crack it?

"It is Written" 63 times (7x9) in the New Testament
Jesus and Grace 49 times in the same verse
Holy Spirit 7 times
Breath (form of Spirit) 42 times (6x7)
Thunders (God’s voice) 7 times
God of Israel 203 times (7x29)


"I will now list for you the various names that are identified with the Church, along with the number of times they are mentioned in the scriptures. Many of these have not previously been mentioned."


Church 77 times (as in the 77 generations of Luke 3)
Kingdom of God 70 times, found only in the New Testament
Assembly 49 times
Bride 14 times
Firstfruits 7 times in the New Testament
Daughter of Zion (or Sion) 28 times (7x4)
Daughter of Jerusalem 7 times
Daughters of Jerusalem 7 times (all in the Song of Solomon, found only one other time in Luke 23:28)

Ouch, busted again. At least he (Hoggard) admits that he's manipulating the numbers to suit his own agenda.

Children of Israel 644 times (7x92)
Congregation 49 times in the Book of Exodus
Tabernacle of the Congregation 21 times in Exodus (7x3)
56 times in Numbers (7x8)
Witnesses 49 times
Fishers (as in fishers of men) 7 times
Peculiar 7 times
Kinsmen 7 times
Worshippers 7 times
Workmanship 7 times

'

What is the significance of Judges 7:7 (7th book of the Bible)
"And the Lord said unto Gideon, By the three hundred men that lapped will I save you, and deliver the Midianites into thine hand: and let all the other people go every man unto his place."

Why don't other names for God divide evenly by 7? (Jesus, Jehovah/LORD, Christ, etc.)

As others have stated, any cursory study into numerology will reveal rather quickly that it can't hold up. It only works for the words/verses that fit your agenda but it doesn't work unilaterally. 

 

[Biblebeliever]

The Authorized King James Bible is God's Final Written Authority.

And 4 hundred years from now will God have to intercede again to "preserve" His word as english continues to change? How will we know that the KJV has been supplanted by another more final "Final Written Authority".

For starters Subllibrm, I believe that 400 years from now, we will be in the Millennial Kingdom where the Lord Jesus Christ is ruling and reigning physically from Jerusalem. You see, I believe the Rapture of the Body of Christ is very close. So I simply believe that the Authorized King James Bible is God's Absolute Standard and that it will continue to be the Absolute Standard.


Now in regard to your comment about the English language changing, I do understand that the English language has went through some changes, and that it even has diminished quite a bit. But I believe that God is sovereign in time and history. And that He chose the perfect time to bring forth His perfect and infallible word.

And I do not believe that the KJV will be supplanted by another version, because how do you improve on perfection?

English today is the closest thing to a universal language. And God knew that this would be the case in the latter times. Therefore; again, I believe that the Authorized Version came on the scene at the perfect time, right when the English Language was at its peak.

BTW who gave you the authority to proclaim the KJV to be the "Final Written Authority"?

Well Subllibrm, I am a King James Bible believer, which means I believe that it is absolutely perfect and without error. So when I declare that I believe that the Bible is the inerrant and infallible word of God, I really mean it.

And if the Bible is the perfect and inerrant word of God, then the next question is, which Bible is it? Because not every Bible out there can be the perfect, pure and inerrant words of the Living God.

Also, the Holy Bible testifies of itself as being the perfect and inerrant word of God.

Now let's say if someone who has been schooled in Alexandrian philosophy where they believe that no Bible is perfect, and they came up to me and asked me the same question which you just did. I would simply respond to their question with another question: Well, who gave you the authority to say that that God's word, the Holy Bible, has errors in it?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Biblebeliever]For starters Subllibrm, I believe that 400 years from now, we will be in the Millennial Kingdom where the Lord Jesus Christ is ruling and reigning physically from Jerusalem...[/quote]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

[quote author=Biblebeliever]English today is the closest thing to a universal language. And God knew that this would be the case in the latter times... Therefore; again, I believe that the Authorized Version came on the scene at the perfect time, right when the English Language was at its peak.[/quote]

Actually, it's Mandarin Chinese with English and Spanish being a virtual tie at a very distant second and third. In fact, Mandarin is spoken by about 3 times as many people as either English or Spanish. It's spoken by more than the second, third, and fourth languages combined.

Not only that, but the Church is growing at rates in China (actually all of Asia and southern Africa) at rates that haven't been seen since the earliest days of Christianity.

So that reasoning is totally shot.

[quote author=Biblebeliever]And if the Bible is the perfect and inerrant word of God, then the next question is, which Bible is it? Because not every Bible out there can be the perfect, pure and inerrant words of the Living God. [/quote]

Yes...which KJV is it? (You are aware that there is more than one version, right?)

[quote author=Biblebeliever]Now let's say if someone who has been schooled in Alexandrian philosophy where they believe that no Bible is perfect...[/quote]

I strongly believe my definition of a perfect Bible and your definition of a perfect Bible would be very different.


[quote author=Biblebeliever]]Well, who gave you the authority to say that that God's word, the Holy Bible, has errors in it?[/quote]

In the case of a translation, the simple fact that it has errors would be self-attesting. Another argument would be regarding words that were translated in 1611 that have completely changed meaning since then. Is it an error when one reads the sentence in a way that is completely wrong because the words used in the translation have changed meaning?

 

[Biblebeliever]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

Okay. Well yes they did. But are you aware that a lot of the sings which Jesus mentioned that would take place prior to His return are all coming to pass?

We are very close to the rapture. It is right at the door rsc2a.

Actually, it's Mandarin Chinese with English and Spanish being a virtual tie at a very distant second and third. In fact, Mandarin is spoken by about 3 times as many people as either English or Spanish. It's spoken by more than the second, third, and fourth languages combined.

Not only that, but the Church is growing at rates in China (actually all of Asia and southern Africa) at rates that haven't been seen since the earliest days of Christianity.

So that reasoning is totally shot.

Not necessarily rsc2a. After all, how many people do you know in the United States who are trying to learn Mandarin? How many people living on the Caribbean Islands know and speak Mandarin?

Yes...which KJV is it? (You are aware that there is more than one version, right?)

No there is only one King James Version. But I am aware that there are several editions of the King James Bible.

And to answer your question rsc2a of which KJV? My answer is any King James Bible. There has never been one revision to the Authorized King James Bible. Are there several editions? Yes.

But there are no revisions.

I strongly believe my definition of a perfect Bible and your definition of a perfect Bible would be very different.

Well what is your definition of a perfect Bible?

In the case of a translation, the simple fact that it has errors would be self-attesting. Another argument would be regarding words that were translated in 1611 that have completely changed meaning since then. Is it an error when one reads the sentence in a way that is completely wrong because the words used in the translation have changed meaning?

No it is not an error if someone reads a particular sentence in the Scriptures in a wrong way. Because it is that person who erred in their understanding of the holy Scriptures.

With prayer to God, thorough study and right division of Scripture, the misunderstanding that a person is having in regard to a certain text of Scripture can be resolved.


29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. - Matthew 22:29 (KJV)


24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? - Mark 12:24 (KJV)

 

[rsc2a]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

Okay. Well yes they did. But are you aware that a lot of the sings which Jesus mentioned that would take place prior to His return are all coming to pass?

We are very close to the rapture. It is right at the door rsc2a.

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]Actually, it's Mandarin Chinese with English and Spanish being a virtual tie at a very distant second and third. In fact, Mandarin is spoken by about 3 times as many people as either English or Spanish. It's spoken by more than the second, third, and fourth languages combined.

Not only that, but the Church is growing at rates in China (actually all of Asia and southern Africa) at rates that haven't been seen since the earliest days of Christianity.

So that reasoning is totally shot.[/quote]

Not necessarily rsc2a. After all, how many people do you know in the United States who are trying to learn Mandarin? How many people living on the Caribbean Islands know and speak Mandarin?[/quote]

How very Ameri-centric of you. Of course, the fact that the predominate language in America is American English (not Elizabethan English!) doesn't actually change what I said at all. You are aware that there are other countries right?

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]Yes...which KJV is it? (You are aware that there is more than one version, right?)[/quote]

No there is only one King James Version. But I am aware that there are several editions of the King James Bible.

And to answer your question rsc2a of which KJV? My answer is any King James Bible. There has never been one revision to the Authorized King James Bible. Are there several editions? Yes.

But there are no revisions.[/quote]

Oh yeah...I forgot. All the King James Bibles are the same...except for those spots where they are different.

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]I strongly believe my definition of a perfect Bible and your definition of a perfect Bible would be very different.
[/quote]


Well what is your definition of a perfect Bible?[/quote]

One that points us to the Father through the Son by the Spirit without diminishing or changing the message the original author(s) intended.

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]In the case of a translation, the simple fact that it has errors would be self-attesting. Another argument would be regarding words that were translated in 1611 that have completely changed meaning since then. Is it an error when one reads the sentence in a way that is completely wrong because the words used in the translation have changed meaning?
[/quote]

No it is not an error if someone reads a particular sentence in the Scriptures in a wrong way. Because it is that person who erred in their understanding of the holy Scriptures.

With prayer to God, thorough study and right division of Scripture, the misunderstanding that a person is having in regard to a certain text of Scripture can be resolved. [/quote]

Sorry...when someone reads that the Israelites will be able to mine brass out of hills, they are going to understand it to mean that the Israelites are going to be able to mine brass out of hills. This in spite of the fact that brass is an alloy that doesn't even occur naturally in nature.

 

[Biblebeliever]

viewing and acknowledging a numerical pattern in scripture is not idolatry.... but becoming obsessed with it to the point you believe it is the validating factor for a translation of the Word of God is idolatry..... in my opinion..... everything in existence has some kind of pattern that be logged numerically.... man made objects have the most easily recognized patterns.... but just out of curiosity has anyone searched the other modern translations of scripture to see if any numerical patterns were present there?

Well I am not exactly sure. Good question though. I do believe that Mike Hoggard mentioned one time in one of his video teachings that these codes were not in the modern versions.

And since you mentioned about this though, I just did a couple of word searches in the NIV and ESV, to compare them and see how close to or how far off they are from the KJV.

Here is what I found:

The word: "church"

KJV - 77 times

NIV - 79 times

ESV - 74 times


The word: "Christ"

KJV - 555 times

NIV - 469 times

ESV - 524 times


The word: "witnesses"

KJV - 49 times

NIV - 48 times

ESV - 46 times

The word: "assembly"

KJV - 49 times

NIV - 163 times

ESV - 118 times

And those were just some of them that I looked up. And I can see already that Numerical Patterns and Codes are not in the modern versions.

.... what about available ancient manuscripts?...... 

Well I am aware that there are Torah Codes out there. I don't know if you have heard of the Torah Codes or not, but I remember a couple of years after I had first heard about them, I thought to myself, it would be real neat if there are Numerical codes also in the King James Bible. And of course, I soon discovered that there was.

As far as ancient manuscripts, could there also be a trace of Numerical patters in them? It is possible, I am not ruling it out. But if there is, I believe it would only be in the right set of manuscripts. And not the corrupt Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts.

Also, in regard to the Torah Codes, I think this would also qualify since it involves the Hebrew text of Genesis:

http://www.av1611.org/genesis.html

if a numerical code is what qualifies a translation of the Bible as authorized or inspired then why does the Bible itself not mention any such code?

That's a good question. First off, I do not believe that the Numerical Codes and Patterns are the only thing that attests to the Bible as being authorized. I simply believe by faith that they are one of the many witnesses.

And it wasn't that long ago when I first found out about the King James Code and the subject of Bible Numerics. You see Aleshanee, the very fact that the spiritual significance of numbers is evident throughout the Scriptures should show that there is indeed a legitimate case for Bible Numerics. There is even a book in the Bible called "Numbers."

A Scripture that shows the importance of Bible Numerics in Bible Prophecy is the following verse:


18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13:18 (Holy Bible)

The word "Six" (Capitalized) shows up in the Scriptures 12 times. It occurs 12 times in 12 verses in 12 chapters in 4 books of the Bible.

And in regard to the fascinating subject of Scripture Numerics, here is a verse of Scripture that you can read if you are struggling with the validity of Bible Numerics:


3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not. - Jeremiah 33:3 (KJV)


Also, here are some verses of the Scriptures that speak of counting:

8 Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, - Philippians 3:8 (KJV)


2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations; - James 1:2 (KJV)


9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)


27 Then let him count the years of the sale thereof, and restore the overplus unto the man to whom he sold it; that he may return unto his possession. - Leviticus 25:27 (KJV)


10 Who can count the dust of Jacob, and the number of the fourth part of Israel? Let me die the death of the righteous, and let my last end be like his! - Numbers 23:10 (KJV)


6 The Lord shall count, when he writeth up the people, that this man was born there. Selah. - Psalm 87:6 (KJV)


18 If I should count them, they are more in number than the sand: when I awake, I am still with thee. - Psalm 139:18 (KJV)



4 Doth not he see my ways, and count all my steps? - Job 31:4 (KJV)


11 Wherefore also we pray always for you, that our God would count you worthy of this calling, and fulfil all the good pleasure of his goodness, and the work of faith with power: - 2 Thessalonians 1:11 (KJV)


18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six. - Revelation 13:18 (KJV)

Also check out some of these verses of Scripture which have the word number in them:


8 I would seek unto God, and unto God would I commit my cause:
9 Which doeth great things and unsearchable; marvellous things without number: - Job 5:8-9 (KJV)


26 Behold, God is great, and we know him not, neither can the number of his years be searched out. - Job 36:26 (KJV)


37 Who can number the clouds in wisdom? or who can stay the bottles of heaven, - Job 38:37 (KJV)

4 He telleth the number of the stars; he calleth them all by their names. - Psalm 137:4 (KJV)


12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom. - Psalm 90:12 (KJV)


7 And the word of God increased; and the number of the disciples multiplied in Jerusalem greatly; and a great company of the priests were obedient to the faith. - Acts 6:7 (KJV)

..... wouldn;t the ancient prophets and scholars have been aware of a such a code if it existed in the original ancient manuscripts?..... and wouldn;t they have said something about it if it was there?......

Well being that you mentioned the original ancient manuscripts, I take it that you are referring to the authors who penned the original autographs such as Moses, David, and Daniel, is that correct?

Well for one thing Aleshanee, I am not exactly sure if they were aware of a numerical pattern back in their time. Now I could be that they were, again, that I simply do not know. And of course, if they were aware of it, then it would have been a Hebrew code. Again, refer back to that link I shared with you about the Genesis codes in Hebrew. Also refer back to the Torah code in that case also.

[size=12pt]you didn;t have to say it...... how long has this "numerical code" been known?.... when was it discovered?

I am not sure how long these Numerical Codes have been known. As I am aware that Mike Hoggard is not the first to write about the subject of Scripture Numerics.

And I am not sure when exactly the Numerical Codes were discovered. But one thing is for sure, they are known about today.

 

[Biblebeliever]

.... if you are saying a code existed in the most prolific and well read book on earth from the 1600s to present.... and was only discovered in modern times ..... then yes.... that qualifies as a secret....or something that was kept secret..... ..... but why?[/font][/size][/color]

Again, that is a good question that you ask Aleshanee. But now consider this though, in the 1600's and 1700's was the authority of the Holy Bible attacked as much as it is today?

Also consider the following: Since 1881, the time when Westcott and Hort's Greek New Testament text was published, there have been an estimated 250 English bible versions and translations. Here is a list of them.



1881 Revised Version.

1881 Jewish Family Bible (OT); Michael Friedlander.

1881 The New Testament Englished; William Crickmer.

1883 The New Testament; Cortes Jackson.

1884 The Englishman’s Bible; Thomas Newberry. [AV]

1885 The Teaching and Acts of Jesus of Nazareth and His Apostles (NT); W.D. Dillard.

1885 The New Covenant (NT); John Hanson.

1885 A New Translation; John Darby.

1885 A translation of the Old Testament Scriptures from the original Hebrew; Helen Spurrell.

1893 Scriptures, Hebrew and Christian; John Peters and Edward Bartlett.

1892 Biblia Innocentium; John Mackail.

1897 The New Testament Emphasized; Horace Morrow.

1897 The New Dispensation (NT); Robert Weekes.

1898 American Revised Version.

1898 The Woman’s Bible.

1901 The Historical New Testament, James Moffatt.

1901 American Standard Version

1901 The Modem American Bible; Frank Ballentine

1902 Translation of the New Testament from the Original Greek; W.B. Godbey.

1902 The Testament of our Lord (NT); James Cooper and A.J. MacLean.

1902 Twentieth Century New Testament.

1902 The Emphasized Bible; Joseph Rotherham.

1903 The Holy Bible: Marginal Readings Adopted.

1903 The New Testament in Modern Speech; Richard Wey¬mouth.

1903 The Holy Bible in Modern English; Ferrar Fenton.

1904 The Corrected English New Testament; Samuel Lloyd.

1904 The New Testament Revised and Translated; Adolphus Worrell.

1906 The New Testament; Thomas Lindsay.

1907 The Modern Reader’s Bible; Richard Moulton.

1908 The Holy Bible for Daily Reading; J.W. Genders.

1909 The University New Testament; S. Townsend Weaver.

1909 The Shorter Bible.

1909 The Bible in Modem English (NT); Frank Ballentine

1910 The Restored New Testament; James Pryse.

1911 The 1911 Tercentenary Commemoration Bible.

1912 The Holy Bible: An Improved Edition.

1913 The Literary Man’s New Testament, W.L. Courtney.

1913 The New Testament; Edward Clarke

1913 Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures (WVSS)

1914 The New Covenant (NT); Edward Cunnington.

1914 The New Testament from the Greek text as established by Bible Numerics; Ivan Panin.

1916 The Historical Bible; Charles Kent.

1916 The Twenty-Four Books of the Old Testament; Alexander Harkavy.

1917 The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text (OT).

1918 The New Testament; Henry Anderson.

19l9 The Messages of the Bible; Frank Sanders and Charles Kent.

1919 The Adelphi New Testament; E.E. Cunnington.

1921 A Plain Translation of the New Testament; By a student.

1921 The Shorter Bible.

1922 The Children’s Bible; Henry Sherman and Charles Kent.

1922 A Plainer Bible (NT); Frank Ballentine.

1923 Simplified New Testament; D.A. Sommer.

1923 The Riverside New Testament; William Ballantine.

1924 Centenary Translation of the New Testament; Helen Montgomery.

1924 The Everyday Bible; Charles Sheldon.

1924 The Older Children’s Bible.

1924 The New Covenant: Labor Determinative Version (NT).

1925 The People’s New Covenant (NT); Arthur Overbury.

1926 The Holy Bible: A New Translation (NT); James Moffatt.

1926 A New Translation (by James Moffatt) (MNT)

1926 Concordant Version (NT); A.E. Knoch.

1926 The Western New Testament; E.E. Cunningtan.

1927 The Student’s Old Testament; Charles Kent.

1928 The Student’s Greek Testament; A. Hamilton.

1928 The Christian’s Bible: New Testament; George LeFevre.

1928 The Living Bible; Bolton Hall.

1928 The Authentic Literature of Israel (CT); Elizabeth Czarnomska.

1928 The Cambridge Shorter Bible.

1929 The New Testament in blank verse; George Wolff

1929 A Homiletical and Exegetical Version of the Bible; Charles MacLean.

1931 The Complete Bible: An American Translation; J.M. Smith and Edgar Goodspeed.

1933 Lamsa Bible (by George Lamsa) (Lamsa)

1933 Short Bible; J.M. Smith and Edgar Goodspeed.

1934 The Documents of the New Testament; G.W. Wade.

1934 Old Testament in Colloquial English.

1934 The Child’s Story Bible; Catherine Vos.

1935 The Westminster Version of the Sacred Scriptures (NT)

1935 An American Translation (by Smith and Goodspeed|) (AAT)

1935 The New Testament; Fernand Faivre.

1936 The West China Union University Version (NT).

1936 The Aldine Bible: The New Testament; M.R. James and Delia Lyttelton.

1936 The Bible Designed to be Read as Living Literature; Ernest Bates.

1937 The New Testament in the Language of the People; Charles B. Williams.

1937 The New Testament of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ; Francis Spencer.

1937 The New Testament critically reconstructed and retranslated; William Martin.

1937 The New Testament A New Translation and Explanation; Johannes Greber.

1938 The Book of Books (NT); R. Mercer Wilson.

1938 The New Testament: A Translation; Clementson.

1939 The Book of Life (NT); Zed Copp.

1939 The New Testament Shortened; W.K. Clarke.

1940 The Bible (A Condensed Version); Howard Welsch.

1941 The Confraternity Version (NT)

1941 Spencer New Testament (SPC)

1945 New Testament: A Translation, Harmony and Annota¬tions; Erwin Stringfellow.

1946 Pathways through the Bible (OT); Mortimer Cohen.

1947 The New Testament; George Swann.

1948 The Holy Bible Adapted for Young Christians.

1948 The Letchworth Version in Modern English; T.F. Ford and RE. Ford.

1949 The Bible in Basic English.

1950 New World Translation (NWT)

1950 The New Testament of our Messiah and Saviour Yahshua, A.B. Traina.

1950 The Dartmouth Bible.

1950 The Holy Bible for Young Readers (NT); J.W. Mackail.

1951 The Authentic Version (NT).

1951 Bible in Brief; Peter Ross.

1951 The Shorter Oxford Bible.

1951 The New Testament in Modern English Olaf Norlie.

1952 The New Testament: A New Translation in Plain English. Charles K. Williams.

1952 Olive Pell Bible; Olive Bible.

1952 The Living Bible; Robert Ballou.

1952 Revised Standard Version.

1953 The New Testament: A New, Independent, Individual Translation; George Moore.

1954 The New Testament Rendered From the Original Greek; James Kleist and Joseph Lilly.

1954 The New Testament in Cadenced Form; Morton Bradley.

1954 The Septuagint Bible (OT); C.A. Muses.

1955 The Authentic New Testament; Hugh Schonfield.

1955 The Holy Bible: A Translation from the Latin Vulgate; Ronald Knox.

1955 The Compact Bible; Margaret Nicholson.

1955 The Clarified New Testament; P.G. Parker.

1956 The Bible for Family Reading; Joseph Gaer and Chester McCown.

1956 Kleist-Lilly New Testament (KLNT)

1957 The Holy Bible from Ancient Manuscripts; George Lamsa.

1958 The New Testament of our Lord and Savior Jesus Anointed; James Tomanek.

1958 A Beginner’s Bible; Margherita Fanchiotti.

1958 Berkeley Version (BV)

1958 The New Testament in Modern English; J.B. Phillips.

1958 The Self-Interpreting; Ashley Johnson.

1959 The Holy Bible: The Berkeley Version in Modern English; Gerrit Verkuyl.

1960 The Children’s King James Bible: New Testament; Jay Green.

1960 A Critical Emphatic Paraphrase of the New Testament; Vincent Roth.

1961 The New Testament of Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ; Fan Noli.

1961 New World Translation.

1961 The New Testament: An Expanded Translation; Kenneth Wuest.

1961 The Jesus People New Testament; Olaf Norlie.

1961 Simplified New Testament in Plain English; Olaf Norlie.

1962 Teen-age Version; Jay Green.

1962 Modem King James Version; Jay Green.

1962 The Children’s Version of the Holy Bible; Jay Green.

1963 The Holy Name Bible; A.B. Traina.

1963 The New Testament in the Language of Today; William Beck.

1965 The Amplified Bible.

1965 Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (RSV-CE)

1966 Jerusalem Bible (JB)

1966 The Bible in Simplified English.

1966 The Living Scriptures; Jay Green.

1966 Knoch Concordant Literal Version (by Adolph Ernst Knoch)

1967 Bible for Young Christians (NT); AM. Cocaqnac and Rosemary Haughton.

1967 New World: The Heart of the New Testament in Plain English; Alan Dale.

1967 New Scofleld Reference Bible.

1967 The Christ Emphasis New Testament; Edward Craddock.

1969 The New Testament: A New Translation; William Barclay.

1969 The Children’s New Testament; Gleason Ledyard.

1969 Modern Language Bible; Gerrit Verkuyl.

1969 The Bible Reader.

1970 New American Bible.

1970 King James II Version; Jay Green.

1970 New Testament in Shorter Form.

1970 New English Bible (NEB)

1970 The Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible.

1971 New American Standard Bible (NAB)

1971 The Living Bible; Kenneth Taylor.

1971 The Story Bible (TSB)

1972 The New Testament in Modem English; J.B Phillips.

1972 The Bible in Living English; Steven Byington.

1973 A Child’s Bible; Anne Edwards and Shirley Steen.

1973 The Translator’s New Testament.

1973 Cotton Patch Version (NT); Clarence Jordan.

1973 Common Bible.

1973 The Better Version of the New Testament; Chester Estes.

1974 The New Testament in Everyday English; Do Klingen¬smith.

1975 The Word Made Fresh; Andrew Edington.

1976 An American Translation; William Beck.

1976 The Concise Jewish Bible (OT); Philip Birnbaum.

1976 Restoration of Original Sacred Name Bible (SNB)

1976 Good News Bible (GNB)

1977 The Jerusalem Bible (OT); Harold Fisch.

1977 The Christian Counselor’s New Testament; Jay Adams.

1977 The Holy Bible for Children; Allan Johsmann.

1978 Holy Name Bible.

1978 New International Version.

1978 Simple English Bible (NT).

1979 The New Testament in Everyday English; Jay Adams.

1980 The Distilled Bible: New Testament; Roy Greenhill.

1980 Simple English Bible (Dr Stanley Morris) (SEB)

1981 The Sacred Scriptures.

1981 The Compact Bible (NT); Pat Excel.

1982 The Readers Digest Bible.

1982 The New Testament; Richard Lattimore.

1982 New King James Version.

1984 The New Accurate Translation (NT); Julian Anderson.

1985 Tanakh: The Holy Scriptures (OT).

1985 The Recovery Version (NT)

1985 New Jerusalem Bible (NJB)

1985 Original New Testament; Hugh Schonfield.

1985 Green’s Literal Translation (by Jay P. Green) (LITV)

1986 International Children’s Bible.

1986 Christian Community Bible (CCB)

1986 New Life Version; Gleason Ledyard.

1987 Easy to Read Version.

1987 A Literal Translation of the Bible; Jay Green.

1987 English Version for Deaf.

1987 New Century Version.

1988 Revised New Testament: New American Bible.

1988 New Evangelical Translation.

1988 Christian Community Bible.

1988 The New Testament; Hugo McCord

1989 God’s New Covenant (NT); Heinz Cassirer.

1989 New Revised Standard Version.

1989 Jewish New Testament; David Stern.

1989 Revised English Bible (REB)

1989 New Revised Standard Version Catholic Edition (NRSV-CE)

1990 The New Translation (NT).

1990 Simplified Living Bible.

1990 Modern King James Version; Jay Green.

1991 21st Century King James Version (NT).

1991 Contemporary English Version (NT).

1991 New Century Version (NCV)

1993 Black Bible Chronicles

1994 The Clear Word Bible (Jack J. Blanco) paraphrase

1994 21st Century King James Version

1995 Contemporary English Version (CEV)

1995 Anointed Standard Version

1995 God’s Word (GW)

1996 ArtScroll Tanakh

1996 New International Reader’s Version (NIrV )

1996 New International Version Inclusive Language Edition (NIVI)

1996 New Living Translation (NLT)

1998 Third Millennium Bible (TMB)

1998 The Scriptures ’98 Version (TS98)

1999 American King James Version (Michael Peter (Stone) Engelbrite)

1999 Recovery Version (RcV)

2000 King James 2000 Version (KJ2000) (Robert A. Couric)

2000 Sacred Scriptures, Family of Yah Edition (SSFOY)

2001 Easy Reading Edition Sword Bible KJV

2001 Analytical-Literal Translation Modern English (Gary F. Zeolla)

2001 EasyEnglish Bible (EEB)

2002 The Message (MSG) (Eugene H. Peterson) paraphrase

2003 The Evidence Bible, King James Version (Ray Comfort)

2003 Apostolic Bible Polyglot (ABP)

2003 A Voice In The Wilderness Holy Scriptures (VW)

2003 The Word of Yahweh (TWOY)

2004 Holman Christian Standard Bible (HCSB)

2004 The Apostles’ Bible (AB)

2005 The New Cambridge Paragraph Bible with Apocrypha (David Norton)

2005 Today’s New International Version (TNIV)

2005 The Complete Apostles’ Bible (CAB)

2005 A Conservative Version (NT only in print OT & NT Net versions) (ACV)

2006 AV7 (New Authorized Version)

2006-11. The Manga Bible

2007 Study New Testament for Lesbian, Gays, Bi, and Transgender (Ann Nyland)

2007 New English Translation of the Septuagint (NETS)

2007 Orthodox Study Bible (OSB)

2009 Catholic Public Domain Version (CPDV)

2010 The Work of God’s Children Illustrated Bible (WGCIB)


Now let me ask you Aleshanee, has there ever been a time of such confusion and doubt as to the authority and inerrancy of the word of God as there is today?

With all of these contradictory, conflicting modern bibles, I would say that there has never been so much doubt and confusion as there is today on the Issue of Final Authority. And I believe that God obviously knew that there would come a day when there would be this many bible translations and versions. He also knew that in these last days that His word would come under more and more attacks than ever before. Maybe that is why God allowed these Numerical Codes to go unnoticed until now. It may be because He knew that these Numerical Codes and Patterns and their discovery would be very helpful in rebuilding a Christian's faith in the word of God again after being bombarded with so many attacks from the Bible critics and Bible agnostics who today do not believe that any Bible is the perfect and inerrant words of God.

 

[Biblebeliever]

well.. the above is nothing more than your own opinion.... i know of Bible scholars who believe the chapter and verse divisions currently in all modern translations of the Bible actually lend themselves to the practice of taking scriptures out of context.....it;s the equivalent of breaking the Bible up into sound bytes instead allowing it to be read as full chapters... stories... lessons and complete accounts.... as it was originally intended to be read......  the chapter and verse divisions of the Bible are entirely an invention of man.... any numerical significance or connection that might have to ancient patriarchs is also an invention of man....

Well I suppose that what those scholars said regarding the chapter and verse divisions was also their opinion. What if God intended for these chapter and verse divisions to be in His holy Book?

I believe that He did. And I also believe that every chapter, every verse that is in the King James Holy Bible are the very ones that God wanted in there.

Also, isn't it God who has kept and preserved His pure words? Has God also used men to keep His words and to translate them into other languages? Yes I believe he has. But I believe that it has been mainly God who has kept His words. Just as God used men to write the original autographs, God also used men to make copies of those Scriptures.

And the very fact that there is a Numerical Pattern all through out the text of the Authorized Version, again, that just shows that God's blessing has always been on the King James Bible and still is.

maybe you should ask him that yourself.....  or.... do what you are suggesting we all do .....concerning the theory you are presenting to us... and buy the mans book and study it........ you will learn far more about what he discovered and why it led him to believe what it does by geting it from him than you ever will hearing it from me...... how do you know he is a Bible agnostic who doesn;t believe the Bible?

Because I have seen how he constantly places doubt upon the Scripture. Anyone that casts doubt upon the word of God, and the authority of its text, is a Bible agnostic.

Are you aware that Satan was the very first one who casted doubt upon the word of God??

"..Yea, hath God said,..,?" - Genesis 3:1 (KJV)


Also, David W. Daniels has written a good article showing Bart Ehrman's unbelief in the Bible. You can see it here:

http://www.chick.com/information/bibleversions/articles/faithtodoubt.asp


Will Kinney also wrote an article, responding to Bart Ehrman's book: "Misquoting Jesus."

..... but even if he was why would that make his research on ancient manuscripts invalid?

Well Aleshanee, I don't Bart Ehrman's heart. I don't know if he has some personal agenda or not. All I do know is that when he began to study textual criticism, it led him to having faith in the Bible, over to having doubt in the Bible. What I can say though is at least he is honest about what he believes. Most modern professing Christians who are pastors, students, etc. who have been taught textual criticism are not even honest about what they believe. However; again, at least Bart Ehrman was honest about the conclusion that he came to.

Another thing Aleshanee, I am not necessarily saying that his research was totally off. I understand that he has some valid points in his reseach of the manuscripts. HOWEVER, where Bart Ehrman's argument is invalid is where he refers to the Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts as the "oldest and best manuscripts." Because the Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts have already been shown to be very corrupted. Will Kinney wrote a great article exposing these two Alexandrian manuscripts and their corruptions. You can the aritcle here:

http://www.brandplucked.webs.com/oldestandbestmss.htm


Also, Dean John William Burgon wrote several books documenting hundreds of omissions, additions, and changes made in the Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts and showing how corrupt these two manuscripts are.

..... it was a kjvo right here on the forum who gave us the link to the website where ehrmans name and theory on the manuscripts was found......

Again Aleshanee, I am not necessarily saying that all of Bart Ehrman's research on the manuscript evidence is invalid. What I am saying though is that his praise and reference to Westcott and Hort and also his reference to the Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts as being "the oldest and best mansusripts" is invalid.  The Siniaticus and Vaticanus manuscripts are clearly not the oldest and they are definitely not the best.

do you believe God had the power to control the process over which the other modern translations of the Bible were compiled?.....

I'll answer your question when you answer mine

that is your opinion...... and of course that of mike hoggard.....

Well Aleshanee it is an opinion that is based on FACT. These Numerical codes and patterns are of a supernatural nature. No man on the face of this earth could have designed and orchestrated such Numerical Systematic patterns that completely harmonize with the entire Scripture. Only God could be behind such a marvelous and transcending phenomenon and work.

yes i do.... but i would like to point out something that sam gipp said himself on the website you just linked to.....

If having the Apocrypha between the Testaments disqualifies it as authoritative, then the corrupt Vaticanus and Sinaiticus manuscripts from Alexandria, Egypt must be totally worthless since their authors obviously didn't have the conviction of the King James translators and incorporated its books into the text of the Old Testament thus giving it authority with Scripture.

by that same logic.... if having a numerical code qualifies the king james Bible as authorized then all the former manuscripts and translations that came before it... including the originals.... must be worthless since they make no mention of a numerical code and there is no record of one ever having been found in them.....

Not necessarily. Because how do we know that the original autographs did not have these same Numerical patterns? That's the thing Aleshanee, we just don't know whether they did or not. Because we have never seen the original autographs a day in our life.

I really do not see how that logic of yours works here. Because I have already said that the Numerical codes and patterns that are in the text of the King James Holy Bible are one of many witnesses.

again.... merely an opinion of you and mr hoggard ...... and whoever else you can convince to buy his book.....

Again Aleshanee, but it is an opinion based upon FACT. Have you been able to deny that these Numerical Codes and Patterns exist? Nope. They are there. And because they are, that is something that people who are struggling to believe in the inerrancy of the Scriptures will need to simply acknowledge.

And actually, you do not necessarily need to buy his book. You can simply view a lot of these Numerical codes by simply visiting this website:

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Hoggard_KJV_Code.html


Also, you can watch this video which he did on the King James Code and the Sacred Number 7 all for free:


The King James Code (7) The Sacred Number, Part 2

no.... i;m far from brilliant......  it;s just that i grew up the first 10 years of my life with both spanish and english.... with spanish being spoken at home.. english being spoken everywhere else.. .... then i studied french in highschool and just picked up japanese from growing up the rest of my childhood and teenaged years here in waikiki.....(it;s hard not to pick it up if you are exposed to it every day)... ..but those 4 languages i speak fluently........  i also can speak and understand some navajo...also from exposure to it during early childhood.... it was my mothers first native language before spanish.... ....but i also learned to read both it in my teenage years... along with spanish... which came easy because i already spoke both languages..... ..... .....  i studied hawaiian in highschool and college as well as picked it up from hawaiian friends while living here.... ..... took latin while i was in premed..(though i memorized a lot of latin phrases from childhood as a catholic and had no idea what they meant until premed)... .... learned filipino and korean from friends well enough to figure out what they are saying some of the time..... and learned a lot of mandarin chinese from my adopted dads wife who is from taiwan... .. still trying to learn to speak chinese well with her... ..... but i can read and figure out italian and portuguese though i never studied either one...and can;t really speak them either....and i can also read most of the symbols of both chinese and japanese.....

some people call it a gift... or a natural ability.... maybe it is.... all i know is that different languages always came easy for me.... i don;t know why.....

Wow that is incredible! I also would consider that a gift that you have.
And yeah, if you are constantly being exposed to the languages while growing up I can see how you would quickly begin to speak those other languages, especially if you are using them on a consistent and daily basis. I also heard that it is much, much easier to learn a new language when you are very young since they say that your brain is like a sponge in the very early years of your life. But you definitely have studied a lot of different languages. It is neat that you can read both the Chinese and Japanese symbols. And also that you can read Spanish and Navajo languages. In Florida, I hear a lot about Spanish, French and Haitian Creole, but not too much about the Navajo tongue.

Again Aleshanee, it's incredible that you know all of those different tongues and languages. Also, I just have to ask this, are you currently learning any other languages in addition to the ones you already know?

I am sure that you being able to speak fluently four languages is a big help when looking to work for a company since these days, they are willing to pay more to a person who is multilingual. In Florida, Employers are always looking for people who can at least speak English and Spanish.

again... the perfect harmonization of your numerical patterns is nothing but a matter of opinion..... if you didn;t understand what i said earlier about language being a fluid thing then you don;t understand how translating one language to another can cause one word to be use repeatedly in multiple different usages where the original language being translated from might have had several different words to describe different aspects of that same thing........ the english word love is a good example....

Well I am basically referring to the English text of the Holy Bible (Authorized Version) as we have it today.

why did God Himself never tell us to study the number 7?.... or never tell us to pay attention to anything about numerics at all for that matter?.... don;t you think He would have if it was so significant?...

Well Aleshanee, God does use the word "count" and the word "number" a lot in the Scriptures as I showed already in this post.  God definitely uses numbers a lot in the Scriptures. Numbers are very significant in the Scriptures. See how many times God uses the number 7 and also the number 12. It is there.

Also, let me ask you Aleshanee, does God have to necessarily be specific about every single detail and matter?

it;s a well known fact mr hoggard is absolutely obsessed with the masons..... and it;s also well known that they inserted numerical codes into practically everything they did.... and they were doing it long before the king james Bible was produced..... it;s also a fact a that some well known masons did have a part in producing the king james..... how much of a part is a matter of controversy but they were there and were active...... make of that what you will..... but doing such a thing as editing a written work to insert a code within it;s script is not as hard as you make it out to be...... difficult?... absolutely... and not a job for amateurs..... but the masons were masters at doing that for centuries prior to the king james.......  i can;t prove they did it to the king james... and don;t even have any evidence of it myself......but i would lean toward believing that than i would believing in the inspiration of a code within the Bible God never mentioned Himself........  just saying.....

Well yes Mike Hoggard has studied the Masons as well as other cultic religions. But as far as masons having a part in producing the King James Bible. I would need some documentation on that.

Aleshanee, I would encourage you to study this matter of Bible Numerics a little more. And definitely look into the King James Code. You can get plenty of information on it by just going to that one website I gave you a link for. And also that video I posted, is also a good source where you can get a little more knowledge on the King James Code.

Now obviously, you can do what you want. All I am doing is just encouraging you to look further into the matter before coming to a conclusion on it.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Again Aleshanee, but it is an opinion based upon FACT. Have you been able to deny that these Numerical Codes and Patterns exist? Nope. They are there.

What is the Pattern?
(I see you ignored my earlier post.)
I haven't seen a pattern. Some names of God are in the KJV in multiples of 7, some are not. Some are only in the NT in multiples of 7, some only in the OT. Some require selective editing, some do not . . . so what is the Pattern (or Numerical Code) that you refer to?

 

[T-Bone]

Just BB statements about verses having the word "count" in it always referring to numbers shows what a maroon he is and that he should not be trying to teach or handle the Scripture... you can count on that!

 

[bgwilkinson]

Just BB statements about verses having the word "count" in it always referring to numbers shows what a maroon he is and that he should not be trying to teach or handle the Scripture... you can count on that!

Pure gibberish.

 

[pastorryanhayden]

Just BB statements about verses having the word "count" in it always referring to numbers shows what a maroon he is and that he should not be trying to teach or handle the Scripture... you can count on that!

Bible believer show me a text that teaches biblical numerology.  I mean where that is the in context original meaning of the text.  If you can't do that - this whole endeavor is questionable at best and a heresy at worst but its definitely a waste of time.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Just BB statements about verses having the word "count" in it always referring to numbers shows what a maroon he is and that he should not be trying to teach or handle the Scripture... you can count on that!

Bible believer show me a text that teaches biblical numerology.  I mean where that is the in context original meaning of the text.  If you can't do that - this whole endeavor is questionable at best and a heresy at worst but its definitely a waste of time.

It's definitely a waste of time, which is why I can't take the time to bother to disprove it with other versions.  But I'm sure I could take the NIV (and any other version) and count some significant words and come up with multiples of 7.