The Machine Model in Medicine

Ekklesian said:
Okay, ladies. Just calm down. It may come as a shock to you all to be told that you don't live in my head, and if I have you in mind when I post, then I'm either tagging you or responding to something you've said, like right now.

It may further disappoint you, specifically, @aleshanee , to be told the reason the other thread was started wasn't about you at all, and was actually about the season, and to try to get a discussion about ghost stories and, just maybe, apply some scripture and think biblically about them, and maybe work a little Amillennialism into it. I was about to resurrect the thread about Saul and the witch of Endor and the supposed ghost of Samuel, and then remembered the chapter from the Foxfire books. You were not in my mind at all.

And do you know why I remembered that chapter from the Foxfire books? Because I was thinking of buying the first volume for my estranged grandson, whom I haven't seen in over ten years, and to try to give it to him for Christmas. But then I thought it might not be the wisest choice at this time because of the scandal involving the developer of the Foxfire Project. But then I thought, why the H not? After all my grandson, with his parents, are living with a registered sex offender who was doodling some minors anyway.

[Remember? I told you all about him. He's the one their IFB church hired to be their youth minister, but then dumped his rather attractive wife for the wheezing, wheelchair-bound cadaver who started blowing him. (One hundred and one reasons to be on oxygen.)]

If my daughter raised an objection I could just say, 'Hey, I thought you'd consider it a recommendation.' Well, of course, that just nixed the idea, because then I'd just be giving it for all the wrong reasons. (Maybe I'll buy it for my son in law instead...hmmmm. Now that's an idea.)

But I digress...

Sorry. I'm still a little bitter about that situation. Honestly, it occupies my mind constantly, and you don't.

And that's the origin story of the thread, and the inspiration for the title. I'll grant, not as attractive as thinking I'm all about gaslighting you, and kinda takes the wind out of Mr. Disqualified's and Duckie's sails in coming to your rescue, but, it is, nevertheless, the truth.

"Bait." :ROFLMAO: Typical chick. I'll respond to some of your challenges later.
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yeah..... it was bait.... ..... . you even admit that in the second paragraph above... .. ..or maybe some other entity possessed your fingers and typed the following out on your keyboard when you weren;t looking?...... :sneaky:

"and was actually about the season, and to try to get a discussion about ghost stories and, just maybe, apply some scripture and think biblically about them, and maybe work a little Amillennialism into it. I was about to resurrect the thread about Saul and the witch of Endor and the supposed ghost of Samuel, and then remembered the chapter from the Foxfire books. You were not in my mind at all...."
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and i didn;t say the bait was intended just for me... . i think it was intended for anyone on the forum that might read your thread and think it was really about telling a halloween story...... anyone that could respond with just the right story.... and give you a chance to go off on a tangent about the evils of halloween - demonic activity - and all things associated...... ..to give you another chance to impress yourself with your extreme smarts and spiritual superiority .... :rolleyes:

you have done that before ... with other topics..... and i would actually have more respect here if you just admitted it and said something like... .. "yeah... ya know what?.... i laid out a crock load of bait and you fell for it...... ha ha.... .ya dummy.... "..... :p ...

but instead you had to play the "chick" card... coz - that;s what you are really all about - isn;t it.... .... .. you have a sour opinion of women and you can;t let a chance to show it go to waste......

i don;t know how you are on other social media platforms - and i don;t care... but your posts on this forum reek with disparaging comments about women....... why is that - i wonder?..... .....i could say a lot more.... especially after all the things you have told us about your personal life and family problems..... but i will refrain from that and leave it there....(for now ;))... . . ..have an awesome thanksgiving.... :cool:
 
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Ekklesian said:
Back to the topic of the thread.

Man did not become a machine. He became a living soul.
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Aren’t you preaching to the choir here? Doesn’t Genesis 2:7 effectively squash the topic? Even outside of Christianity, the issue is prevalent, especially from ancient philosophy.
 
aleshanee said:
you have done that before ... with other topics.....
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No doubt you feel that way, but perhaps you could elaborate.

aleshanee said:
but instead you had to play the "chick" card... coz - that;s what you are really all about - isn;t it.... .... .. you have a sour opinion of women and you can;t let a chance to show it go to waste......
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Well, all my woes are due to odious women. The reptilian mothering of the woman God gave me, the wheezing devil that bewitched my children made vulnerable by the reptilian mothering of the woman God gave me...and let's not forget venturous Eve who paved the way to Paradise Lost... ... ... ... .... ... .... . .... (you like elipses... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...)

Then, there is the leaven in the lump of dough..that's the work of the woman. Juss repeatin' Jeezus.

BUT...............................................I gladly own my own dumb#L|(ery. The wisdom of Solomon bemoans the dearth of virtuous women. I fell for a hotty. Guys, with Pentecostal and Charismaniac chicks, those top knots and ankle-length skirts are down and off like prom dresses at the top of Simmons' Hill. But be warned... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ... ... --- ...

They ain't intrested in doin' the right thing afterward.

aleshanee said:
i don;t know how you are on other social media platforms - and i don;t care... but your posts on this forum reek with disparaging comments about women....... why is that - i wonder?..... .....i could say a lot more.... especially after all the things you have told us about your personal life and family problems..... but i will refrain from that and leave it there....(for now ;))... . . ..have an awesome thanksgiving.... :cool:
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Not moved to pray for me, Christian?
 
well lets see... .i didn;t think you would be one of those school marm types that makes an issue about my typing.... but you did.... and yes i admit it is a mess..... so i will explain......

the majority of excessive elipses that occur when i;m typing are not put there on purpose..... they happen because my hands shake if i am not actively doing something with them or resting them on something... ...when i pause while typing my hand tends to rest on the edge of the keyboard and my third finger hits that key because that what i naturally do at the end of a sentence... sometimes it just stays there too long .. ..... i go back and remove extra elipses when i can and when i;m not also trying to locate and correct dozens of other glitches that occur in my typing...... i have a lot of nerve damage in both hands coz i sliced both arms open when i was 13 trying to kill myself... so sometimes just being able to type out a sentence that even i can go back and read myself is a challenge....

the ; that occurs in my typing in the place of ' <-- which i have to stop and make an effort to hit... is also not done on purpose..... it happens due to years of pulling back the string on a heavy longbow.... i shoot with 3 fingers on the string.... a split grip with the first finger above the arrow and the other 2 below it..... but my third finger - the one that would normally hit the ' in typing... started turning slightly inward years ago because that finger does the most work and bears the most weight when pulling the string.. it also has the thickest callous on it... .. as i moved up to shooting heavier bows it started turning more and more inward...... . so that key ; ..naturally gets hit when i would normally hit this one ' .... . .....it;s one of the minor glitches i don;t bother to correct when going back to fix a post coz it;s not a big deal.... ..... i know you didn;t ask about that but since that;s something other school marms and a few grammar police that were here in the past have criticized i thought i would add that in as a pre-emptive explanation ..... (free of charge) ..in case they are lurking and reading...

and yes... most everything i type is in lower case coz hitting the cap key is a major pain with the other hand and also a major slow down ... so in typing stuff on a forum i just don;t worry about it..... what i do attempt to fix in a post is grossly mispelled words or words in the wrong order or where letters got re-arranged due to dyslexia.. .... but sometimes those get missed coz when i proofread i tend to not catch a mistake if it;s not a major one.... if it made sense to me i don;t notice a small error...... mistakes also happen if i am thinking of something in one language and typing in another..... english was not my first language... it was the second one i learned... . but also not the last.. .. i learned to speak fluently in 3 other languages after english and understand but speak only semi fluently in a few others..... it;s a natural gift .... but add that to having schizphrenia in the first place and sometimes thoughts can get confusing...... but it is still a very good mental exercise....

i will answer the other questions and points you brought up in your post at a later time as i have to leave the computer and get busy right now.... plus this post is long enough already... .....

but yes... to answer your last question in that post.. .. i pray for everyone on this forum quite often - you included... and will continue to...
 
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DrHuk&Duck said:
Aren’t you preaching to the choir here? Doesn’t Genesis 2:7 effectively squash the topic? Even outside of Christianity, the issue is prevalent, especially from ancient philosophy.
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I am preaching to the choir. The choir just hasn't figured it out yet.
 
aleshanee said:
i will answer the other questions and points you brought up in your post at a later time as i have to leave the computer and get busy right now.... plus this post is long enough already... .....
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Don't bother. I was using caricature in my rant. If you want to insist that I'm a lying misogynist I can certainly oblige you.
 
Ekklesian said:
Don't bother. I was using caricature in my rant. If you want to insist that I'm a lying misogynist I can certainly oblige you.
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i think you just verified that yourself with this very post... ....... but the evidence of your disgusting attitudes towards women is all over this forum... . i;m not the only one who has noticed it.....
 
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Ekklesian said:
Not every post is about you.
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i never said it was....... and you can take that little bit of invalidating excrement and shove it back where it came from.. .

your problems with women might be some big mysterious thing to you... .. but they are no mystery to the rest of us...... ....nobody can fault you for what happened as a child but as an adult you got exactly what you advertised for.... either live with it or learn to live alone....

for your info i was trying to be nice to you in that lengthy post i made..... but apparently you are one of those self centered types that nobody can be nice to......
 
That first thread went off the rails, so I'll try again.

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The Machine Model in Medicine | Evolution News

The unfortunate fact is, there really are those two conflicting sides in medicine.
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I was struck by his comment, “When my dad was dying, I saw both sides of the healthcare world, one that fought stubbornly to save a life and the other that was coldly indifferent and even eager to end it.”​
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in the process of our education and training, it became increasingly obvious that a conflict could emerge if one overemphasized the scientific quest at the expense of the compassion and altruism presumably inherent in care of the sick.​
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In fact, the practice of medicine has transitioned dramatically over the past half century....Most readers will note that it was also during this time that scientific atheism took firm hold. We had discovered DNA and, on that basis, we presumed to know how to reduce life to mere chemical reactions. Medical education then fully embraced the machine model of organism and human health.​
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But every time I have tried to rethink the issue, I have been brought back to that day as a medical student when I saw a baby’s limb torn out of its mother’s womb by forceps. It was just an arm, but its fingers were extended, reaching in vain for the life it would never have. Most of us silently gasped as we saw this. But my professor admonished us not to think negatively about the process; rather we should embrace the freedom somehow manifested by partial birth abortion. ​
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What this conclusively proved to me was that we truly were being indoctrinated to see the human body as a soulless machine. And the immense demands of med school rendered resistance almost impossible.​
 
I probably said it wrong in the first thread.

The gifts of healing are with the church. I was thinking that healing was mentioned in the list of gifts in Romans 12, but that is ministry, which is service, especially to the sick, a notion I picked up no doubt by reading a commentary or two.

I wasn't referencing the ecstatic gifts in 1 Cor. 12.

I think many in the church have forgotten, due to the scientific atheism saturating science education, are forgetting that we are souls and not machines, and that ministry to the sick, and healing, begins in the church.

The effect that atheism has on the practice of medicine is necessarily harmful. As stated by the author, it results in a practice that is indifferent to life, and is eager to end it.
 

I found this Bioethics professor interesting. The video is from 2014, so I'm sure a lot has changed.

I love that some, if not all, higher learning institutions discuss bioethics.

By HAC and other Bible "colleges" not being accredited, we are, of course, excluded from the discussion.
 
There are a few churches in Appalachia that eschew medicine and doctors. Of course, they also believe in tossing around venomous snakes. Their life expectancy is similar to those of the Middle Ages. 🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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