Your opening quote: “and one reason, if not the main reason, God vested the gifts of healing in the church” made my mind go in that direction
The Machine Model in Medicine
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Can you list some examples. The AMA guidelines make clear that drugs and devices should only be recomended if they are expected to help.
AMA Council on Ethical and Judicial Affairs
Opinion 8.06 - Prescribing and Dispensing Drugs and Devices
(1) Physicians should prescribe drugs, devices, and other treatments based solely upon medical considerations and patient need and reasonable expectations of the effectiveness of the drug, device or other treatment for the particular patient.(2) Physicians may not accept any kind of payment or compensation from a drug company or device manufacturer for prescribing its products. Furthermore, physicians should not be influenced in the prescribing of drugs, devices, or appliances by a direct or indirect financial interest in a firm or other supplier, regardless of whether the firm is a manufacturer, distributor, wholesaler, or repackager of the products involved.
Oh yeah. We know that rule is always obeyed, right?
Lobotomies, some tonsillectomies, etc.
But I was restating the trend identified in the article by a medical doctor.
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great..... so where have you put those things into practice?....
what medical school - or medical training program - have you been in where you came across a professor teaching that christian faith was a hinderance to learning the medical sciences and/or becoming a successful medical pracitioner?.....
do you work in a medical field?.... were you by chance once in a medical training program and rejected from it?...... .
have you ever actually been in a formal learning environment where the medical sciences were taught?.... and i would include any christian school teaching medical sciences in that question as well......
or..... .... is the bulk of your "training" and education in this regard, all gathered from the internet... or books and articles written by people critical of medical science .. ... and who most likely have an axe to grind?.........
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as important as the christian faith has been in advancing many parts of medicine and life saving sciences...... and as vital as that faith is to giving people a love and appreciation for saving lives and preserving life....... it is also true that one cannot be successful in any medical field without a complete understanding of the human body and the physicial mechanisms that keep it working... ..... in other words..... one must understand the human machine....... .
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@aleshanee - You raised some great questions. I’d even take it one step further. Although I went to law school, I don’t practice law, so I’d never be comfortable dispensing advice (and technically, I could land myself in hot water for doing such). I think the same can be said for the medical field. I’d much prefer the medical opinion of an active nurse than a MD whose done nothing but teach in the classroom for the last thirty years.
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you bring up an interesting point...... ......over the years i have been told by quite a few keyboard warriors pretending to have some expertise or special knowledge in the field of medical matters or mental health - that what my doctors... specifically what my psychologists - tell me is wrong... ...and both their assumptions... assessments.. and also suggestions in this regard have been all over the place......
ekklesian is not the first to suggest there might be some demonic activity causing my disabilities or medical problems.... nor is he even the worst........ and i doubt any of them... even those with good intentions... have considered the dangers in suggesting something like that to a person with schizophrenia ...or of what could happen if i decided they were right and skipped my next doctors appointment or counselling session..... or did something many times worse to myself........ .....
but whether acting in good faith or bad there is one thing they all have in common.......... ....i never asked for their advice........ in fact.... both members of my family that use to post here... and even i myself.. have told people like that not to take it upon themselves to try and "fix" whatever they think might be wrong with me....... they were all assured that i am doing fine under the medical and mental health professionals i am in the care of and to leave it alone.......
that;s why i stopped responding in the boogers witches and haints thread. ... (which i know now was started as bait)...... and also why i came on as strong as i did in this one.. .. because this thread appeared to have been spun off of that one just to keep an anti-conventional medicine and anti-conventional mental health theme going.....
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Yes…just speaking for myself, I don’t think I’d ever be comfortable giving any type of medical/mental health advice to someone outside of the generic eat-healthy-and-exercise type. For starters, there’s the potential inherent liability of doing such if the advice leads to an adverse effect. Now, that all being said, I don’t know what occupations are represented on the forum, so maybe (long shot) some here are qualified and comfortable in their opinions. I have no way of knowing that, but I suppose it’s a possibility.
Yeah, when I read your comment on that thread being bait, I went and read it. I had avoided it,, thinking it was just a waste of time. But you're right. He likes to bait people.
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it;s not really a problem when the advice given is in line with an accepted medical or legal standard... . ...especially when the medical or legal advice consists of.. "go see a licensed board certified professional"..... but when the advice.. or post... is designed to cast doubt on conventional methods then the person giving it better have some credentials to back up what they say.... and also be prepraed for the fallout if someone follows their advice and suffers ill effects.... or else admit they have nothing but anecdotal evidence or their own imagination to back them up.... ..
there have been a lot of people on the fff of the past saying conventional doctors were wrong and that taking medication was unecessary.... for one reason or another.... ..... .but there was a hyper old school fundamentalist here once telling people taking medications were the equivalent of witchcraft.... and that no christian should ever take meds..... . she even said taking meds for diabetes was wrong because diabetes could be controlled with cinnamon....... she admitted she had no formal medical training so nobody paid attention to her.....
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thanks.... ...i don;t know why it is... .. but for some reason i come off as easy pickings for people like that.... .
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i hope not....I wonder if that was my Grandma who used to be on the forum
. ... but i heard that person is now on another social media platform and doesn;t believe those things anymore... ....
Nope, my Granny is in her 90s and can barely use a flip cell phone. She’s definitely not posting on Internet forums.i hope not....
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that sounds almost like my dad.. .. he uses an old flip phone and doesn;t use a computer very often now days... .... although he use to be on the fff... .. he was the reason i got started on it..... ..he only started using a computer in the first place after the fire department gave them to all medic units and supervisors and told them to become familiar with them... . even said they could go onto internet forums if they wanted to.... it would help them learn the skills...... . .. but then a year later they started adding various paperwork and documenting tasks to the computers instead of traditonal paper documents.... .... and then after that went fully online with all reports and documentation...... he said suddenly the computer wasn;t fun anymore....Nope, my Granny is in her 90s and can barely use a flip cell phone. She’s definitely not posting on Internet forums.
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On the bright side, Trump has just appointed RFKjr as HHS secretary. So for all of you who prefer the gifts of healing in the church over the "machine model in medicine," you may get the chance to pray away your kid's polio instead of vaccinating against it.
Okay, ladies. Just calm down. It may come as a shock to you all to be told that you don't live in my head, and if I have you in mind when I post, then I'm either tagging you or responding to something you've said, like right now.
It may further disappoint you, specifically, @aleshanee , to be told the reason the other thread was started wasn't about you at all, and was actually about the season, and to try to get a discussion about ghost stories and, just maybe, apply some scripture and think biblically about them, and maybe work a little Amillennialism into it. I was about to resurrect the thread about Saul and the witch of Endor and the supposed ghost of Samuel, and then remembered the chapter from the Foxfire books. You were not in my mind at all.
And do you know why I remembered that chapter from the Foxfire books? Because I was thinking of buying the first volume for my estranged grandson, whom I haven't seen in over ten years, and to try to give it to him for Christmas. But then I thought it might not be the wisest choice at this time because of the scandal involving the developer of the Foxfire Project. But then I thought, why the H not? After all my grandson, with his parents, are living with a registered sex offender who was doodling some minors anyway.
[Remember? I told you all about him. He's the one their IFB church hired to be their youth minister, but then dumped his rather attractive wife for the wheezing, wheelchair-bound cadaver who started blowing him. (One hundred and one reasons to be on oxygen.)]
If my daughter raised an objection I could just say, 'Hey, I thought you'd consider it a recommendation.' Well, of course, that just nixed the idea, because then I'd just be giving it for all the wrong reasons. (Maybe I'll buy it for my son in law instead...hmmmm. Now that's an idea.)
But I digress...
Sorry. I'm still a little bitter about that situation. Honestly, it occupies my mind constantly, and you don't.
And that's the origin story of the thread, and the inspiration for the title. I'll grant, not as attractive as thinking I'm all about gaslighting you, and kinda takes the wind out of Mr. Disqualified's and Duckie's sails in coming to your rescue, but, it is, nevertheless, the truth.
"Bait."
Typical chick. I'll respond to some of your challenges later.
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Would you kindly cite any post where I dispensed any advice?
You know what? I think I will!
Did I say such? Maybe I was referring to Aleshanee’s quote:
“over the years i have been told by quite a few keyboard warriors pretending to have some expertise or special knowledge in the field of medical matters or mental health - that what my doctors... specifically what my psychologists - tell me is wrong... ...and both their assumptions... assessments.. and also suggestions in this regard have been all over the place...... ekk is not the first to suggest there might be some demonic activity causing my disabilities or medical problems.”
Now, I might have been inferring, but definitely didn’t say.
