So why the drastic change in beliefs?

[Vince Massi]

I pray in English, although I have been known to pray in Spanish. The only time that praying in tongues is mentioned in the Bible, Paul says not to do it.

 

[rsc2a]

I pray in English, although I have been known to pray in Spanish. The only time that praying in tongues is mentioned in the Bible, Paul says not to do it.

No, he doesn't.

(And, I'm not one who agrees with the AoG on the exercise of spiritual gifts...nor am a cessationist.)

 

[Vince Massi]

I should point out that the only major doctrinal change I have since leaving HAC is my rejection of easy Believism. I believe that believing on the Lord Jesús Christ includes repentance, and that when a person is genuinely saved there will ALWAYS be evidence of the new birth after while. While a person may pray while accepting Christ (I did), a person is not saved by praying. A person who accepts Christ as Savior but rejects Him as Lord has not accepted Christ, and is not saved.

 

[RAIDER]

Raider, they believe the same thing. American-headquartered religions are banned in Mexico. The Mexican Baptist Convention believes the same thing as the SBC and even has churches in the US. Some of their churches are pastored by Americans who are Southern Baptist. The Mexican Assemblies of God even has US missionaries pastoring some of their churches.

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

 

[rsc2a]

Raider, they believe the same thing. American-headquartered religions are banned in Mexico. The Mexican Baptist Convention believes the same thing as the SBC and even has churches in the US. Some of their churches are pastored by Americans who are Southern Baptist. The Mexican Assemblies of God even has US missionaries pastoring some of their churches.

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

I'm curious about what particular "heretical" AoG teachings you had in mind?

 

[RAIDER]

Raider, they believe the same thing. American-headquartered religions are banned in Mexico. The Mexican Baptist Convention believes the same thing as the SBC and even has churches in the US. Some of their churches are pastored by Americans who are Southern Baptist. The Mexican Assemblies of God even has US missionaries pastoring some of their churches.

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

I'm curious about what particular "heretical" AoG teachings you had in mind?

The first one would be speaking in tongues as a sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

 

[rsc2a]

Raider, they believe the same thing. American-headquartered religions are banned in Mexico. The Mexican Baptist Convention believes the same thing as the SBC and even has churches in the US. Some of their churches are pastored by Americans who are Southern Baptist. The Mexican Assemblies of God even has US missionaries pastoring some of their churches.

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

I'm curious about what particular "heretical" AoG teachings you had in mind?

The first one would be speaking in tongues as a sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Yes...that would be straight out of the book of Acts, multiple places actually.

Did you have another one in mind?

 

[RAIDER]

Raider, they believe the same thing. American-headquartered religions are banned in Mexico. The Mexican Baptist Convention believes the same thing as the SBC and even has churches in the US. Some of their churches are pastored by Americans who are Southern Baptist. The Mexican Assemblies of God even has US missionaries pastoring some of their churches.

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

I'm curious about what particular "heretical" AoG teachings you had in mind?

The first one would be speaking in tongues as a sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Yes...that would be straight out of the book of Acts, multiple places actually.

Did you have another one in mind?

That was a gift given for a specific time (the early days of the NT church).  The gift of tongues has ceased.  A woman standing up in the middle of a church service babbling on has nothing to do with Biblical tongues.

 

[RAIDER]

Raider, they believe the same thing. American-headquartered religions are banned in Mexico. The Mexican Baptist Convention believes the same thing as the SBC and even has churches in the US. Some of their churches are pastored by Americans who are Southern Baptist. The Mexican Assemblies of God even has US missionaries pastoring some of their churches.

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

I'm curious about what particular "heretical" AoG teachings you had in mind?

The first one would be speaking in tongues as a sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Yes...that would be straight out of the book of Acts, multiple places actually.

Did you have another one in mind?

Teaching that you can lose your salvation
The faith healing circus'.
Holy laughter.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=RAIDER]The first one would be speaking in tongues as a sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Yes...that would be straight out of the book of Acts, multiple places actually.

Did you have another one in mind?

That was a gift given for a specific time (the early days of the NT church).  The gift of tongues has ceased.  A woman standing up in the middle of a church service babbling on has nothing to do with Biblical tongues.[/quote]

Your Scriptural support for this? Funny also how people pick and choose which gifts are still active and which aren't.

A man polishing his shaft at the pulpit doesn't have much to do with anything either. Neither does verbally assaulting congregates, calling women foul names, swinging suit coats, running around the sanctuary or diving into baptistries. But I wouldn't label the churches that practice such things as heretical for doing such. (Although I mind for other reasons...)

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=RAIDER]Teaching that you can lose your salvation
The faith healing circus'.
Holy laughter.
[/quote]

Teaching that all you have to do is say a prayer, in fact you have to say a prayer, and you're saved, regardless of any other evidence to the contrary.
The tithe "blessing" circus.
Holy high schools.

...oh wait, you said AoG, not IFB...

 

[RAIDER]

Your Scriptural support for this? Funny also how people pick and choose which gifts are still active and which aren't.

When that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

 

[RAIDER]

[quote author=RAIDER]Teaching that you can lose your salvation
The faith healing circus'.
Holy laughter.

Teaching that all you have to do is say a prayer, in fact you have to say a prayer, and you're saved, regardless of any other evidence to the contrary.
The tithe "blessing" circus.
Holy high schools.

...oh wait, you said AoG, not IFB...
[/quote]

Now you are going off the deep end.

 

[rsc2a]

Your Scriptural support for this? Funny also how people pick and choose which gifts are still active and which aren't.

When that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Knowledge has passed away? You know perfectly even as you are perfectly known?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=RAIDER]Teaching that you can lose your salvation
The faith healing circus'.
Holy laughter.

Teaching that all you have to do is say a prayer, in fact you have to say a prayer, and you're saved, regardless of any other evidence to the contrary.
The tithe "blessing" circus.
Holy high schools.

...oh wait, you said AoG, not IFB...

Now you are going off the deep end.[/quote]

Or it's your ox being gored instead of the AoG one.

 

[Vince Massi]

Wow, Folks, I'm sorry I missed all the arguing. The caravan for Abundant Life Assemblies of God Church in Riveras picked up 32 Mexican kids today, in addition to the 16 who walked or were driven in.

If you'd like to visit me on Facebook, I'm at https://www.facebook.com/vincent.massi.1

 

[IFB X-Files]

Wow, Folks, I'm sorry I missed all the arguing. The caravan for Abundant Life Assemblies of God Church in Riveras picked up 32 Mexican kids today, in addition to the 16 who walked or were driven in.

If you'd like to visit me on Facebook, I'm at https://www.facebook.com/vincent.massi.1

Sooooo, do you have any problems with the heresies taught at your church?

Answer please?

 

[Vince Massi]

Sorry, Folks, but I had to get out a prayer request to our church. It isn't really a prayer request, but I used the mailing list. Here it is:

Brethren, we need help! The Lord blessed us with too many kids this week at Vacation Bible School! We picked up 32 kids in the caravan today, and on Sunday we are trying to bring in their parents. Can you drive with us for just one Sunday?

 

[tobytyler]

[quote author=RAIDER]The first one would be speaking in tongues as a sign of the filling of the Holy Spirit.

Yes...that would be straight out of the book of Acts, multiple places actually.

Did you have another one in mind?

That was a gift given for a specific time (the early days of the NT church).  The gift of tongues has ceased.  A woman standing up in the middle of a church service babbling on has nothing to do with Biblical tongues.

Your Scriptural support for this? Funny also how people pick and choose which gifts are still active and which aren't.

A man polishing his shaft at the pulpit doesn't have much to do with anything either. Neither does verbally assaulting congregates, calling women foul names, swinging suit coats, running around the sanctuary or diving into baptistries. But I wouldn't label the churches that practice such things as heretical for doing such. (Although I mind for other reasons...)
[/quote]

Who dove into a baptistery?  Is there video of this, I'd like to see that!

 

[Vince Massi]

I don't want to pick on anyone here, because poor theological training is a characteristic of HAC. Concerning heresy:

Titus 3:10-11 teach plainly that a heretic is unsaved  "A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;  Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."

Because there is no condemnation to them that are in Christ Jesús, and because that which is born of God sinneth not, a genuine Christian cannot remain a heretic. Heresy refers to doctrines that prove that a person is lost. Denying the Gospel, denying the Deity of Christ, etc., are heresies, and a person who clings to those doctrines after being admonished is not born again.

Baptism, eternal security, Calvinism, speaking in tongues, church government, the Rapture, which translation to use, etc., do not involve heresy. A genuine Christian can be mistaken in these áreas. Don't let somebody scare you into or out of a doctrine with threats and accusation. God hasn't given us a spirit of fear. When God wants you to change your belief, the Holy Spirit will teach you the truth.