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[Smellin Coffee]

I do hedge a bit on the "hate the sin" part because it is in reality "hating the sin of someone else" when I have too big of a beam in my own eye

Smellin', I was thinking this very thing this morning.  It is so easy for us/me to point out the sins of others, when doing so means I have taken my eyes off of my own sin.  I was thinking this morning about how tragic homosexuality is and how it has hurt our families/country/world and I even went so far as to think "This might be the most damaging sin our country has embraced."  I was immediately convicted.  I think PRIDE is the most damaging sin...period.  And that is a sin that I possess.  We all do.  And somehow because we are "Christians" we tend to think we are somehow better than those infidels beneath us.  We use words like "he/she/it" when referencing a person created in the image of God.  We give them "nicknames" as if we are better than them.  How is that Christlike in any way, shape, or form???  And just the fact that I used those two particular examples instead of something I myself said shows the pride that is in my own life.  "At least I didn't say that!" How prideful. 

But, if we were all Christlike, this forum would be boring and no fun.  Haha!

I completely agree. Christians should look at how many times the Bible condemns homosexuality. Then we should look at how many times it condemns the sins of pride, greed and lack of compassion/generosity. I think the emphasis would show more about what really "bothers" God and destroys a nation.

 

[SwampHag]

Too bad that you folks willing to show grace to Theron aren't extending Schaap/Hyles that same grace.

And, FWIW, I don't hate anyone. 

Except Satan.  I hate him a lot.

 

[Norefund]

I'm wondering where the thought that Theron underwent surgery came from. Judging by his Facebook pictures, it sure doesn't look like he did. His Facebook page is open if you want to look.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Too bad that you folks willing to show grace to Theron aren't extending Schaap/Hyles that same grace.

???

 

[SwampHag]

I'm wondering where the thought that Theron underwent surgery came from. Judging by his Facebook pictures, it sure doesn't look like he did. His Facebook page is open if you want to look.

It was something another forum member had told me.

I personally don't care.  I don't even know the guy.  Only met him a couple times.

 

[sword]

Oh the stories. Worked for Theron as his Asst pastor right out of college. He was gay then.

Did Russ & Dr. Hyles approve of their engagement?

Did Theron have everybody fooled.

Tommy Sue is such a wonderful lady & such a fine christian. It's sad that she had to go through all that.

 

[RAIDER]

You were also told that he is a stewardess and that's not true either.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOk.

No doubt you are the people and wisdom will die with you.

Seriously....you could get to know me before you preach to me. 

Cat fight!  Cat fight!!

Sorry I couldn't resist. 

 

[cast.sheep]

Too bad that you folks willing to show grace to Theron aren't extending Schaap/Hyles that same grace.

And, FWIW, I don't hate anyone. 

Except Satan.  I hate him a lot.

You are right.  But Theron is just out there living his own life.  He's not trying to hurt anyone.  The same can't be said about Schaap/Hyles.  They both affected my life in fairly huge ways.  It's a little tougher to extend that grace when it's personal.  Not saying it's right...just being real. 

 

[SwampHag]

Theron *did* hurt a lot of people.

Anyway.  I'm done.

Sin is sin folks.

 

[Norefund]

It's sad for anyone to go through a marital split. That being said, why do you suppose she chose to marry him? I was only around him a couple of times very briefly and it was very evident that he was gay. My wife and I both noticed it right away. This was before they married.

Oh the stories. Worked for Theron as his Asst pastor right out of college. He was gay then.

Did Russ & Dr. Hyles approve of their engagement?

Did Theron have everybody fooled.

Tommy Sue is such a wonderful lady & such a fine christian. It's sad that she had to go through all that.

 

[cast.sheep]

Theron *did* hurt a lot of people.

Anyway.  I'm done.

Sin is sin folks.

That could be.  And given his particular struggles, I'm sure the hurt was severe.  I've hurt people too.  Usually it was because I was struggling myself and lashed out at anyone who happened upon me at a bad time.  You are right.  Sin is sin....as far as heaven and hell are concerned.  But hurting people on purpose has to be somehow worse than stealing a pack of gum.  I don't know.  I could be wrong. 

 

[deertracks]

He tried to fool most but he wasn't very good at it. His ex wife is and was a very gracious lady and has gone through a very tough experience and has seemed to come out the other side so much the stronger.

 

[prophet]

If someone purposefully mutilates themself, they've at least earned a nickname, haven't they?

Prophet, where is the verse that supports this thinking???

I didn't make a doctrinal statement here, so I don't know what you mean.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Got to thinking on the way home from work. Why is someone else's sexual orientation our business anyway? Is it because we "feel bad" for them? Do we pity them? Or are we just disguising our judgmental attitudes in holier-than-them verbiage?

If people are born gay, we can say that in terms of numbers, people born left-handed are certainly not in the majority yet we don't say, "Too bad Mr. Jones is left-handed."

Lest someone think I am acting above such an attitude, I'm putting myself as key suspect here...

 

[sword]

Got to thinking on the way home from work. Why is someone else's sexual orientation our business anyway? Is it because we "feel bad" for them? Do we pity them? Or are we just disguising our judgmental attitudes in holier-than-them verbiage?

If people are born gay, we can say that in terms of numbers, people born left-handed are certainly not in the majority yet we don't say, "Too bad Mr. Jones is left-handed."

Lest someone think I am acting above such an attitude, I'm putting myself as key suspect here...

We were all born with a sin nature, I assume we can all agree on that. Some of us were born with the propensity to commit one sin where others have the inclination to commit another, of that I assume we can also agree. Some have one weakness others have different weakness but are you saying God made some people Gay. He created them that way? In light of Romans chapter 1 alone I would question that premise.

 

[sword]

He tried to fool most but he wasn't very good at it. His ex wife is and was a very gracious lady and has gone through a very tough experience and has seemed to come out the other side so much the stronger.

I'll ask the question again for those who remember.

Was Russ & Dr. Hyles opposed the engagement or did Theron have everyone fooled.

Deertracks, How did the church react to their pastor being gay. How did that all turn out?

How did you feel about your boss, the Pastor, being gay.

 

[LongGone]

Got to thinking on the way home from work. Why is someone else's sexual orientation our business anyway? Is it because we "feel bad" for them? Do we pity them? Or are we just disguising our judgmental attitudes in holier-than-them verbiage?

If people are born gay, we can say that in terms of numbers, people born left-handed are certainly not in the majority yet we don't say, "Too bad Mr. Jones is left-handed."

Lest someone think I am acting above such an attitude, I'm putting myself as key suspect here...

We were all born with a sin nature, I assume we can all agree on that. Some of us were born with the propensity to commit one sin where others have the inclination to commit another, of that I assume we can also agree. Some have one weakness others have different weakness but are you saying God made some people Gay. He created them that way? In light of Romans chapter 1 alone I would question that premise.

I think you are reading a lot into Romans 1. I think you would have a difficult case trying to prove that people chose to be attracted to the same sex. Why would so many people chose something that makes them inherently different and alienates them from rest of society? People generally don't and that is why we say "they come out of the closet". You can make the argument that they chose to act on that attraction but I don't think you can really say they chose the attraction to the same sex.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Got to thinking on the way home from work. Why is someone else's sexual orientation our business anyway? Is it because we "feel bad" for them? Do we pity them? Or are we just disguising our judgmental attitudes in holier-than-them verbiage?

If people are born gay, we can say that in terms of numbers, people born left-handed are certainly not in the majority yet we don't say, "Too bad Mr. Jones is left-handed."

Lest someone think I am acting above such an attitude, I'm putting myself as key suspect here...

We were all born with a sin nature, I assume we can all agree on that. Some of us were born with the propensity to commit one sin where others have the inclination to commit another, of that I assume we can also agree. Some have one weakness others have different weakness but are you saying God made some people Gay. He created them that way? In light of Romans chapter 1 alone I would question that premise.

Does God create the genetics in each child? If so, there is your answer. Being gay is not always a choice (though I do agree that in some cases, it can be a choice).

 

[SwampHag]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.