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[Tarheel Baptist]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

 

[LongGone]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

 

[sword]

What about Becky Hyles.

Anyone remember her college days?

Any idea why Tim was not selected to be the heir after Dave messed up.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

Pedophilia, like homosexuality once was, is listed as a mental disorder.
Homosexuality was once illegal, like pedophilia is now.
Many pedophiles claim they were born that way...genetics....exactly what many homosexuals claim.

It is not the stretch you seem to want it to be...and pedophilia is closer to Sodomy than lying!

And it seems that anyone who can read, understand context and is intellectually honest will know God considers Sodomy in a much different light than lying. He also responds to it differently than lying. Ever read the story of Sodom?

 

[SwampHag]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

"Being gay" mean being happy.  Not homosexual.

Attraction to members of the same sex *is* homosexuality (in one's mind) and is an abomination and sin.  This is how I truly feel about it.
Yes, pride and lying are also, but those sins were not being addressed in this thread...as far as I know...

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[bgwilkinson]

What about Becky Hyles.

Anyone remember her college days?

Any idea why Tim was not selected to be the heir after Dave messed up.

Becky went to BJU and marrried Tim Smith.

Yes here is all you really need to know. It runs deep.

The Smith Brothers and DH were buds and worked together in the Youth Dept. There are pics of DH and his posse together in the HB yearbooks.

This is about Tim from the 70s found in D Magazine. And that is just the start.

Here is the story that is the template for Schaap and his inappropriate behavior. Tim got away with it.

"A background search on the Smiths was begun and in midsummer produced more than expected. Billie Jo Cole uncovered school principal Tim Smith's 1976 dismissal from Saginaw, Michigan's Sheridan Road Baptist Church and school following the discovery that Smith had conducted an extended relationship with a seventeen-year-old student, whom he took to Florida for several months, leaving his wife and children behind and devastating the church."

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1988/september/gods-man-savior-or-seducer
http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1989/october/terry-smith-guilty-but-who-cares

Now you know the rest of the story. This stuff has been going on for decades. Kinda ho hum now.

For those of you that want high school pics of many of the above suspects HB yearbooks for almost all of the years to date are on line at

http://hbalumni.org/

There is no charge to view the PDFs of the year book pages, but you do have to register and make up a password. These are a gold mine of original source material.

 

[16KJV11]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

Pedophilia, like homosexuality once was, is listed as a mental disorder.
Homosexuality was once illegal, like pedophilia is now.
Many pedophiles claim they were born that way...genetics....exactly what many homosexuals claim.

It is not the stretch you seem to want it to be...and pedophilia is closer to Sodomy than lying!

And it seems that anyone who can read, understand context and is intellectually honest will know God considers Sodomy in a much different light than lying. He also responds to it differently than lying. Ever read the story of Sodom?

Even Abraham and Sarah lied while Lot was whooping it up in Sodom yet God doesn't rain down fire and brimstone on them For their lying.

 

[Norefund]

I don't think any of the Smith boys went to HB. Becky was also out of high school when HB began. Dave was a junior in the first year of the school, Linda was in 8th grade and Cindy was in 6th.

What about Becky Hyles.

Anyone remember her college days?

Any idea why Tim was not selected to be the heir after Dave messed up.

Yes here is all you really need to know. It runs deep.

The Smith Brothers and DH were buds. There are pics of them together throughout all the HB yearbooks when they were in HB.

This is this about Tim from the 70s found in D Magazine. And that is just the start.

Here is the story that is the template for Schaap and his inappropriate behavior. Tim got away with it.

"A background search on the Smiths was begun and in midsummer produced more than expected. Billie Jo Cole uncovered school principal Tim Smith’s 1976 dismissal from Saginaw, Michigan’s Sheridan Road Baptist Church and school following the discovery that Smith had conducted an extended relationship with a seventeen-year-old student, whom he took to Florida for several months, leaving his wife and children behind and devastating the church."

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1988/september/gods-man-savior-or-seducer
http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1989/october/terry-smith-guilty-but-who-cares

Now you know the rest of the story. This stuff has been going on for decades. Kinda ho hum now.

For those of you that want high school pics of all the above suspects HB yearbooks for almost all of the years to date are on line at

http://hbalumni.org/

There is no charge to view the PDFs of the year book pages, but you do have to register and make up a password. These are a gold mine of original source material.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I'm saying the Bible calls different things an abomination and we choose to consistently point out the "abominations" that others might struggle with than dealing with our own.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

Pedophilia, like homosexuality once was, is listed as a mental disorder.
Homosexuality was once illegal, like pedophilia is now.
Many pedophiles claim they were born that way...genetics....exactly what many homosexuals claim.

It is not the stretch you seem to want it to be...and pedophilia is closer to Sodomy than lying!

And it seems that anyone who can read, understand context and is intellectually honest will know God considers Sodomy in a much different light than lying. He also responds to it differently than lying. Ever read the story of Sodom?

So, you are now making comparison because a long time ago, they were considered as "mental disorders" by the medical community? At one point in certain cultures, being left-handed was considered being evil as well.

And no, there are a few sprinkled verses against homosexuality, some taken out of context vs. quite a few more against lying and pride. If we use emphasis in the Bible as a key to what is more of an abomination to God, lying and pride are mentioned a whole heck of a lot more than homosexuality.

And pedophilia is about dominating children against their will, inflicting on them emotional and physical stress they can't handle. Homosexuality is (ought to be) an act between consenting adults. That in itself is a HUGE difference.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

"Being gay" mean being happy.  Not homosexual.

Attraction to members of the same sex *is* homosexuality (in one's mind) and is an abomination and sin.  This is how I truly feel about it.
Yes, pride and lying are also, but those sins were not being addressed in this thread...as far as I know...

.

True, but recall how many times in the last year you heard a pastor rail against homosexuality (and probably few if any in the congregation were homosexual) vs. how many times a pastor calls out politicians, both Dems and Repubs alike for their sin of deceit and lying to people. We Christians have made homosexuality a hobby-horse topic for bashing because we don't struggle with it. At least that has been my experience.

 

[cast.sheep]

^what he said.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

Pedophilia, like homosexuality once was, is listed as a mental disorder.
Homosexuality was once illegal, like pedophilia is now.
Many pedophiles claim they were born that way...genetics....exactly what many homosexuals claim.

It is not the stretch you seem to want it to be...and pedophilia is closer to Sodomy than lying!

And it seems that anyone who can read, understand context and is intellectually honest will know God considers Sodomy in a much different light than lying. He also responds to it differently than lying. Ever read the story of Sodom?

So, you are now making comparison because a long time ago, they were considered as "mental disorders" by the medical community? At one point in certain cultures, being left-handed was considered being evil as well.

And no, there are a few sprinkled verses against homosexuality, some taken out of context vs. quite a few more against lying and pride. If we use emphasis in the Bible as a key to what is more of an abomination to God, lying and pride are mentioned a whole heck of a lot more than homosexuality.

And pedophilia is about dominating children against their will, inflicting on them emotional and physical stress they can't handle. Homosexuality is (ought to be) an act between consenting adults. That in itself is a HUGE difference.

Yes, I am making the comparison, because it it there to be made.
What pedophilia is now, homosexuality once was....in every aspect.

A few sprinkled verses...out of context!?
Maybe to someone who is a biased hermeneutical illiterate  seeking to defend the sin of sodomy.

Because pride and lying are sinful, sodomy is good?
Please, Dan.
And you left out gluttony!!!

 

[LongGone]

Much has been made on this thread about Sodom and Gomorrah. Genesis 18 and 19 do not teach that they were destroyed because they were homosexuals. Genesis 18:19 teaches that God their sin is very grievous. It actually does not highlight homosexuality as the sin or even one of the sins. Ultimately the cities were destroyed not because of homosexuality but because of there not being 10 righteous people in the city. Chapter 19 gives us a picture of the wickedness of the city. Verse 4 and 5 tells us that all the people from every quarter came to Lot's house because they wanted to rape the angels. This is a whole lot more than just having a desire for the same sex. Interesting enough God's judgement on Lot's wife for looking back was the same as the wicked in Sodom and Gomorrah. I agree with Smellin that it is easier for us to see sin that doesn't tempt us as an abomination far worse than the adominations we struggle with and are guilty of committing. 

 

[LongGone]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

Pedophilia, like homosexuality once was, is listed as a mental disorder.
Homosexuality was once illegal, like pedophilia is now.
Many pedophiles claim they were born that way...genetics....exactly what many homosexuals claim.

It is not the stretch you seem to want it to be...and pedophilia is closer to Sodomy than lying!

And it seems that anyone who can read, understand context and is intellectually honest will know God considers Sodomy in a much different light than lying. He also responds to it differently than lying. Ever read the story of Sodom?

So, you are now making comparison because a long time ago, they were considered as "mental disorders" by the medical community? At one point in certain cultures, being left-handed was considered being evil as well.

And no, there are a few sprinkled verses against homosexuality, some taken out of context vs. quite a few more against lying and pride. If we use emphasis in the Bible as a key to what is more of an abomination to God, lying and pride are mentioned a whole heck of a lot more than homosexuality.

And pedophilia is about dominating children against their will, inflicting on them emotional and physical stress they can't handle. Homosexuality is (ought to be) an act between consenting adults. That in itself is a HUGE difference.

Yes, I am making the comparison, because it it there to be made.
What pedophilia is now, homosexuality once was....in every aspect.

A few sprinkled verses...out of context!?
Maybe to someone who is a biased hermeneutical illiterate  seeking to defend the sin of sodomy.

Because pride and lying are sinful, sodomy is good?
Please, Dan.
And you left out gluttony!!!





The comparison does not fly. Pedophiles have a desire that will greatly harm children and homosexuals do not.

I thought we were discussing sins that were listed as abominations...I could be wrong but I don't think gluttony is on that list.  Does not change the fact that gluttony is a sin and more relevant to the average person sitting in a pew in an IFB church.

Could you show us where Dan said Sodomy was good?

 

[prophet]

God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination.

Sin is *always* a choice....not a lifestyle.

And "being gay" is about having an emotional, physical, and or sexual attraction toward members of the same sex and not simply the act of homosexuality.

God Himself also calls lying and pride an abomination. In fact, biblically there are a whole lot more verses against lying and pride than against homosexuality.

So, you don't believe scripture makes any distinction between the sin sodomy and the sin of lying?
And, do you have the same attitude toward those who claim their sexual attraction toward children is genetic?

I am not speaking for Smellin but how do you jump from homosexuality to sexually abusing children? It doesn't matter why a person is attracted to children (genetic or not) is justifiably against the law and in no way compares to two adult people in a consenting homosexual relationship.

I think it is on you to find scripture that demonstrates that God considers homosexuality is worse that lying. From a practical standpoint would you as an employer rather have a homosexual in a relationship outside the work place or someone that lies to you as an employee? As an employer give me the homosexual every time. Employees who you can not believe what they say are the burden.

Pedophilia, like homosexuality once was, is listed as a mental disorder.
Homosexuality was once illegal, like pedophilia is now.
Many pedophiles claim they were born that way...genetics....exactly what many homosexuals claim.

It is not the stretch you seem to want it to be...and pedophilia is closer to Sodomy than lying!

And it seems that anyone who can read, understand context and is intellectually honest will know God considers Sodomy in a much different light than lying. He also responds to it differently than lying. Ever read the story of Sodom?

So, you are now making comparison because a long time ago, they were considered as "mental disorders" by the medical community? At one point in certain cultures, being left-handed was considered being evil as well.

And no, there are a few sprinkled verses against homosexuality, some taken out of context vs. quite a few more against lying and pride. If we use emphasis in the Bible as a key to what is more of an abomination to God, lying and pride are mentioned a whole heck of a lot more than homosexuality.

And pedophilia is about dominating children against their will, inflicting on them emotional and physical stress they can't handle. Homosexuality is (ought to be) an act between consenting adults. That in itself is a HUGE difference.

Yes, I am making the comparison, because it it there to be made.
What pedophilia is now, homosexuality once was....in every aspect.

A few sprinkled verses...out of context!?
Maybe to someone who is a biased hermeneutical illiterate  seeking to defend the sin of sodomy.

Because pride and lying are sinful, sodomy is good?
Please, Dan.
And you left out gluttony!!!





The comparison does not fly. Pedophiles have a desire that will greatly harm children and homosexuals do not.

I thought we were discussing sins that were listed as abominations...I could be wrong but I don't think gluttony is on that list.  Does not change the fact that gluttony is a sin and more relevant to the average person sitting in a pew in an IFB church.

Could you show us where Dan said Sodomy was good?

Homosexuality doesn't hurt anyone?

 

[LongGone]

Prophet...Two people living in a monogamous homosexual relationship...who do they hurt?

 

[prophet]

Prophet...Two people living in a monogamous homosexual relationship...who do they hurt?

So you don't want to answer....ok

 

[LongGone]

Prophet...Two people living in a monogamous homosexual relationship...who do they hurt?

So you don't want to answer....ok

I felt that your broad question was a set up. I felt that I did answer it albeit with a question. I will state that I do not see who is hurt when two people are living in a monogamous relationship. 

 

[IFB X-Files]

I will state that I do not see who is hurt when two people are living in a monogamous relationship.

Did I take a wrong turn when entering the earth's atmosphere?  Did my ship land in the IFB forum or the Dr. Phil/Oprah forum?

First, a "monogamous relationship" among homo's (male or female) is a joke.  It's all about the sex and that's what it's always been about.

Second, the "hurt" is that the statistics show that male homo's have a life expectancy many years less than hetero's.  Why?  Well, you constantly ingest feces from multiple men and you will either contract hepatitis or AIDS or some other disease.  Then you spread that disease among the general population.  Of course, since the US Gov. does not keep illegals out of the US, we now have a reoccurrence of TB and measles.  So I guess any objection to any of this is racist, right?

So it does matter.  It might not matter to you but it sure matters to me.