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[RAIDER]

No, I'm pretty sure he was gay back then. He was soft and effeminate. It was no surprise to me at all when the divorce happened and he came out.

Not to provoke an argument, but I don't think adult males "turn" gay.

I would disagree.  I think an adult male can get caught up in porno and sexual promiscuity and their mind can be turned toward this lifestyle.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

No, I'm pretty sure he was gay back then. He was soft and effeminate. It was no surprise to me at all when the divorce happened and he came out.

Not to provoke an argument, but I don't think adult males "turn" gay.

I would disagree.  I think an adult male can get caught up in porno and sexual promiscuity and their mind can be turned toward this lifestyle.

I think both scenarios are a possibility. It isn't for me to decide "how" a particular individual "becomes" gay, whether by choice or predisposition.

 

[RAIDER]

No, I'm pretty sure he was gay back then. He was soft and effeminate. It was no surprise to me at all when the divorce happened and he came out.

Not to provoke an argument, but I don't think adult males "turn" gay.

I would disagree.  I think an adult male can get caught up in porno and sexual promiscuity and their mind can be turned toward this lifestyle.

I think both scenarios are a possibility. It isn't for me to decide "how" a particular individual "becomes" gay, whether by choice or predisposition.

Are you saying people are born genetically gay or just their environment and circumstances can turn them this way?

 

[cast.sheep]

Both of my half-brothers are gay.  Having grown up with them, I tend to think it is an inherited quality.  You know...the sins of the fathers....

My brothers were always effeminate.  They were never interested in girls.  They didn't grow up together either.  One is my dad's stepson and the other is my step-dad's son.  I grew up with both.

My real dad was an alcoholic.  I am afraid to drink.  I think it would be harder for me to control than other people who didn't have alcoholic fathers.  I COULD control it...but it would be more difficult.

I think that applies to my brothers.  I think they were born with that in them and they have much to overcome in controlling it.  Most don't. 

Sin is a terrible thing.  More terrible than we realize.  Not just for us, but for our future children/grandchildren. 

I do believe homosexuality is a sin.  However, I think having that desire and acting upon it are two different things. 

Those are just my thoughts based on growing up with my brothers.  I could be completely wrong.  But I can't say that one day they chose it.  One day they acted upon it.  Just as we do with whatever sins we commit.  We are BORN in sin, right?  We don't come out perfect and then sin one day.  At least that's my understanding.

Let the fun begin.......

 

[Smellin Coffee]

No, I'm pretty sure he was gay back then. He was soft and effeminate. It was no surprise to me at all when the divorce happened and he came out.

Not to provoke an argument, but I don't think adult males "turn" gay.

I would disagree.  I think an adult male can get caught up in porno and sexual promiscuity and their mind can be turned toward this lifestyle.

I think both scenarios are a possibility. It isn't for me to decide "how" a particular individual "becomes" gay, whether by choice or predisposition.

Are you saying people are born genetically gay or just their environment and circumstances can turn them this way?

I believe both are a possibility. In the public school system, tendencies can be seen in pre-pubescent children.

 

[cast.sheep]

No, I'm pretty sure he was gay back then. He was soft and effeminate. It was no surprise to me at all when the divorce happened and he came out.

Not to provoke an argument, but I don't think adult males "turn" gay.

I would disagree.  I think an adult male can get caught up in porno and sexual promiscuity and their mind can be turned toward this lifestyle.

I think both scenarios are a possibility. It isn't for me to decide "how" a particular individual "becomes" gay, whether by choice or predisposition.

Are you saying people are born genetically gay or just their environment and circumstances can turn them this way?

I believe both are a possibility. In the public school system, tendencies can be seen in pre-pubescent children.

Not just the public school system.  Christian schools too.  One of my brothers never went a day to public school.  Christian school K-12.  And then 4 years of Christian college.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

No, I'm pretty sure he was gay back then. He was soft and effeminate. It was no surprise to me at all when the divorce happened and he came out.

Not to provoke an argument, but I don't think adult males "turn" gay.

I would disagree.  I think an adult male can get caught up in porno and sexual promiscuity and their mind can be turned toward this lifestyle.

I think both scenarios are a possibility. It isn't for me to decide "how" a particular individual "becomes" gay, whether by choice or predisposition.

Are you saying people are born genetically gay or just their environment and circumstances can turn them this way?

I believe both are a possibility. In the public school system, tendencies can be seen in pre-pubescent children.

Not just the public school system.  Christian schools too.  One of my brothers never went a day to public school.  Christian school K-12.  And then 4 years of Christian college.

Oh, I agree. The reason I mentioned public schools is that many people on this forum send their kids to Christian schools where such "freedom of expression" can be supressed by the systems. Also, most Christian schools are much smaller than public schools so there are less gay children in the populus by nature of size alone.

 

[subllibrm]

Why would a gay guy (even if he was in the closet at the time) spend hours looking into girl's eyes?

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desire to pastor
trying to fight it at the time

...any one or combination of those

Well, he is still "pastoring" and likely making more money than he ever would in a HACite church.

The point is, I am trying to understand the drive to look straight if you aren't.

He/she/it is not pastoring, he/she/it is a stewardess.

I followed the link above and found an openly gay man pastoring at a church in the Atlanta area. If it ain't the same guy blame bad information on the original link.

 

[cast.sheep]

Why would a gay guy (even if he was in the closet at the time) spend hours looking into girl's eyes?

$
desire to pastor
trying to fight it at the time

...any one or combination of those

Well, he is still "pastoring" and likely making more money than he ever would in a HACite church.

The point is, I am trying to understand the drive to look straight if you aren't.

He/she/it is not pastoring, he/she/it is a stewardess.

I don't mean to be unkind, but referring to him as "he/she/it" is not necessary.  He is a person that God loves and so should we.  Hate the sin, love the sinner.  Isn't that what we are supposed to do? 

 

[SwampHag]

Why would a gay guy (even if he was in the closet at the time) spend hours looking into girl's eyes?

$
desire to pastor
trying to fight it at the time

...any one or combination of those

Well, he is still "pastoring" and likely making more money than he ever would in a HACite church.

The point is, I am trying to understand the drive to look straight if you aren't.

He/she/it is not pastoring, he/she/it is a stewardess.

I don't mean to be unkind, but referring to him as "he/she/it" is not necessary.  He is a person that God loves and so should we.  Hate the sin, love the sinner.  Isn't that what we are supposed to do?

I'm not being unkind either.  Just not quite sure what to call him/her.  I was told he/she had the surgery.  ~~shrugs~~

 

[cast.sheep]

You were also told that he is a stewardess and that's not true either.

 

[SwampHag]

You were also told that he is a stewardess and that's not true either.

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOk.

No doubt you are the people and wisdom will die with you.

Seriously....you could get to know me before you preach to me. 

 

[cast.sheep]

Your comments to me have been more harsh than anything I have said to you.  Referring to anyone as "it" brings out my defensive side.
Anyhow....let's move on. We probably agree on 99% of stuff.

 

[prophet]

Why would a gay guy (even if he was in the closet at the time) spend hours looking into girl's eyes?

$
desire to pastor
trying to fight it at the time

...any one or combination of those

Well, he is still "pastoring" and likely making more money than he ever would in a HACite church.

The point is, I am trying to understand the drive to look straight if you aren't.

He/she/it is not pastoring, he/she/it is a stewardess.

Hate the sin, love the sinner. 

Couldn't find that verse.

I have heard that reasoning before...just about everywhere, now.

If someone purposefully mutilates themself, they've at least earned a nickname, haven't they?

Pat?, can we call the artist formerly known as "him": Pat?

 

[cast.sheep]

And where, exactly, is the verse that says THAT?

 

[prophet]

And where, exactly, is the verse that says THAT?

I asked 2 questions, both requiring your opinion to answer, so I'm not sure what you are referencing here.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Why would a gay guy (even if he was in the closet at the time) spend hours looking into girl's eyes?

$
desire to pastor
trying to fight it at the time

...any one or combination of those

Well, he is still "pastoring" and likely making more money than he ever would in a HACite church.

The point is, I am trying to understand the drive to look straight if you aren't.

He/she/it is not pastoring, he/she/it is a stewardess.

I don't mean to be unkind, but referring to him as "he/she/it" is not necessary.  He is a person that God loves and so should we.  Hate the sin, love the sinner.  Isn't that what we are supposed to do?

I wholeheartedly agree. I do hedge a bit on the "hate the sin" part because it is in reality "hating the sin of someone else" when I have too big of a beam in my own eye, but everything else is spot on.

We have failed miserably to see people who are different than we as being made in the image of our Creator.

I won't put gay people in the same category as the mentally ill here, so please don't think I am. The lyrics of this song have always haunted me because it hits me in the heart:

Wide-Eyed by Nicole Nordeman

When I met him on a sidewalk
He was preaching to a mailbox
Down on 16th Avenue
And he told me he was Jesus
Sent from Jupiter to free us
With a bottle of tequila and one shoe
He raged about repentance
He finished every sentence
With a promise that the end was close at hand
I didn't even try to understand

He left me wide-eyed in disbelief and disillusion
I was tongue-tied, drawn by my conclusions
So I turned and walked away
And laughed at what he had to say
Then casually dismissed him as a fraud
I forgot he was created in the image of my God

When I met her in a bookstore
She was browsing on the first floor
Through a yoga magazine
And she told me in her past life
She was some plantation slave's wife
She had to figure out what that might mean
She believes the healing powers of her crystals
Can bring balance and new purpose to her life
Sounds nice

She left me wide-eyed in disbelief and disillusion
I was tongue-tied, drawn by my conclusions
So I turned and walked away
And laughed at what she had to say
Then casually dismissed her as a fraud
I forgot she was created in the image of my God

Not so long ago, a man from Galilee
Fed thousands with His bread and His theology
And the truth He spoke
Quickly became the joke
Of educated, self-inflated Pharisees like me

And they were wide-eyed in disbelief and disillusion
They were tongue-tied, drawn by their conclusions
Would I have turned and walked away
And laughed at what He had to say
And casually dismissed Him as a fraud
Unaware that I was staring at the image of my God

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NI3HdZUCxZU

 

[deertracks]

Oh the stories. Worked for Theron as his Asst pastor right out of college. He was gay then.

 

[cast.sheep]

If someone purposefully mutilates themself, they've at least earned a nickname, haven't they?

Prophet, where is the verse that supports this thinking??? 

 

[cast.sheep]

I do hedge a bit on the "hate the sin" part because it is in reality "hating the sin of someone else" when I have too big of a beam in my own eye

Smellin', I was thinking this very thing this morning.  It is so easy for us/me to point out the sins of others, when doing so means I have taken my eyes off of my own sin.  I was thinking this morning about how tragic homosexuality is and how it has hurt our families/country/world and I even went so far as to think "This might be the most damaging sin our country has embraced."  I was immediately convicted.  I think PRIDE is the most damaging sin...period.  And that is a sin that I possess.  We all do.  And somehow because we are "Christians" we tend to think we are somehow better than those infidels beneath us.  We use words like "he/she/it" when referencing a person created in the image of God.  We give them "nicknames" as if we are better than them.  How is that Christlike in any way, shape, or form???  And just the fact that I used those two particular examples instead of something I myself said shows the pride that is in my own life.  "At least I didn't say that!" How prideful. 

But, if we were all Christlike, this forum would be boring and no fun.  Haha!