The King James Code

[The Rogue Tomato]

Therefore God uses numbers a great deal in His holy word.

God also uses letters.  And words.  And punctuation.

What God does not do is instruct people to count any of these things to prove one translation is better than another.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Obviously you didn't get my point.

Do you understand that there is a difference between God using a number in the Scriptures (e.g. "And on the seventh day God finished his work that he had done," Gen. 2:2), and a man-made, extrabiblical statistic about a certain word frequency (e.g. "The word foobar occurs seven times in the Old Testament")?

If you can't understand the difference between a number in the Bible and a number about the Bible, there simply isn't any purpose in trying to reason with you any longer.

I already stated Scott that Bible Numerology is basically the study of Numbers in the Scriptures and the Biblical meaning for each number.

There is a unique Mathematical Phenomenon that apears throughout the Bible. And if a Christisan reads and studies their Bible for a good amount of time, he will start to see these Numerical patterns that are in there. For example, how the number three many times is asscoiated with the Godhead (Father, Son, and Holy Ghost).


The number three can also been seen in Paul's epistles, here is an example with 1 Timothy 1:


1 Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.

3 As I besought thee to abide still at Ephesus, when I went into Macedonia, that thou mightest charge some that they teach no other doctrine,

4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: so do.

5 Now the end of the commandment is charity out of a pure heart, and of a good conscience, and of faith unfeigned:

6 From which some having swerved have turned aside unto vain jangling;

7 Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.

12 And I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who hath enabled me, for that he counted me faithful, putting me into the ministry;

13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.

14 And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

15 This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.

16 Howbeit for this cause I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might shew forth all longsuffering, for a pattern to them which should hereafter believe on him to life everlasting.

17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory for ever and ever. Amen.

18 This charge I commit unto thee, son Timothy, according to the prophecies which went before on thee, that thou by them mightest war a good warfare;

19 Holding faith, and a good conscience; which some having put away concerning faith have made shipwreck:

20 Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander; whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. - 1 Timothy 1:1-20 (KJV)


Also Scott, you are aware that at even at the very beginning of God's holy word, numbers are being used, don't you?

Now would you agree that if the Lord Jesus Christ repeated a saying once or twice that that would be important? For instance take one of the most sobering passages on the subject of Hell and its torment (Mark 9:43-48).


43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:

46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. - Mark 9:43-48 (KJV)


Jesus makes this statement: "Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

Three times.

Don't you think that He may be putting great emphasis on this sobering and vital truth?


I would say that understanding the number of times a certain phrase appears in the Holy Bible is extremely important.


Another statement and truth that Jesus stated more than once in the above passage is the following:


"into the fire that never shall be quenched:"


This very phrase occurs twice within the above passage. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ repeated these truths for a reason, and it was to place great emphasis on what He was saying here regarding the awful, horrible, and very sovering reality of a burning Hell.


And by the way, Hell appears a total of 54 times in the King James Holy Bible.

And 54 is a product of 6 (number of man) and 9 (the number for fruitbearing).


Whatsoever an unsaved man sows in this life, if he dies lost, he will reap it all in eternity in the Lake of Fire.


The wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23). 

 

[Ransom]

I already stated Scott that Bible Numerology is basically the study of Numbers in the Scriptures and the Biblical meaning for each number.

I've never seen anyone like you, with such a predilection for making an appearance on the forum every 1-2 weeks, only to repeat the same useless point.

Perhaps you are hoping that I have suffered an accident in the meantime resulting in brain damage, or have contracted a form of dementia, or some other ailment that would impair my intellect.  Sorry to disappoint you.

 

[Biblebeliever]

I already stated Scott that Bible Numerology is basically the study of Numbers in the Scriptures and the Biblical meaning for each number.

I've never seen anyone like you, with such a predilection for making an appearance on the forum every 1-2 weeks, only to repeat the same useless point.

Perhaps you are hoping that I have suffered an accident in the meantime resulting in brain damage, or have contracted a form of dementia, or some other ailment that would impair my intellect.  Sorry to disappoint you.

Well Scott, I am just extremely busy. Let me ask though;  have you even taken 5 minutes to look into the King James Code?

Also Scott, the point I repeated is a very valid one.

 

[tduncan]

Find it very interesting that as I read through Scripture, the Bible plainly talks about salvation, growing in grace, holiness, the church, baptism, etc.  The Great Commission even speaks to teaching others what Christ taught.  I have read through the New Testament several times and can find all kinds of things that we should be teaching.

But not once have I found any admonition to study numbers and numerology.  This is simply another strawman that the KJVO wants to put up  to "show" the superiority of one version.

 

[Ransom]

Well Scott, I am just extremely busy.

Too busy to read, or think or have anything approaching a critical thought!

Let me ask though;  have you even taken 5 minutes to look into the King James Code?

Of course I have. Why do you think I know it's crap?

 

[Ransom]

But not once have I found any admonition to study numbers and numerology.  This is simply another strawman that the KJVO wants to put up  to "show" the superiority of one version.

Don't worry. Two weeks or so from now, BB will show up to tell you it is not.  That'll show you.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Too busy to read, or think or have anything approaching a critical thought!

No, just busy in general. Busy with life and my studies, and some other things.

Of course I have. Why do you think I know it's crap?

Have you looked up the numbers and numerical patterns for yourself though?

Have you downloaded a good Bible search software which does accurate word and phrase counts to verify for yourself the information in the King James Code?

 

[Ransom]

Have you looked up the numbers and numerical patterns for yourself though?

Good grief.

What part of "yes, and it's crap" is hard for you to understand?

 

[tduncan]

Too busy to read, or think or have anything approaching a critical thought!

No, just busy in general. Busy with life and my studies, and some other things.

Of course I have. Why do you think I know it's crap?

Have you looked up the numbers and numerical patterns for yourself though?

Have you downloaded a good Bible search software which does accurate word and phrase counts to verify for yourself the information in the King James Code?

Word and phrase counts?  I hope and pray you don't actually teach this rubbish. 

 

[Biblebeliever]

Good grief.

What part of "yes, and it's crap" is hard for you to understand?

Well Scott, you are wrong. What you have done is simply rejected the evidence that is one of the witnesses & testimonies which affirm that the Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word.

That's all you have done Scott. You have refused to accept the facts as they stand.

 

[tduncan]

Good grief.

What part of "yes, and it's crap" is hard for you to understand?

Well Scott, you are wrong. What you have done is simply rejected the evidence that is one of the witnesses & testimonies which affirm that the Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word.

That's all you have done Scott. You have refused to accept the facts as they stand.

BB, numbers do not prove that the Bible is God's perfect and inerrant Word.  And you are not trying to prove that anyways....you are trying to prove the KJV to be the only English translation we should use.

 

[Ransom]

Have you downloaded a good Bible search software which does accurate word and phrase counts to verify for yourself the information in the King James Code?

Have you given us a good reason to believe that God desires Christians to study "word and phrase counts" for their theological value?

No?

Then your software can perish with thee. I'm going to read the Bible, and let the losers deconstruct it.

http://youtu.be/G18qq0UekNM

 

[Ransom]

What you have done is simply rejected the evidence that is one of the witnesses & testimonies which affirm that the Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word.

Since it is your responsibility to demonstrate from Scripture that God desires us to examine "word and phrase counts" in order to "affirm that the Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word," and you have not yet done so, I have rejected nothing - at least, nothing worth keeping.

You may now wait two weeks before coming back and whining, "Is too!"
Of course, now I've just saved you the trouble.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Have you given us a good reason to believe that God desires Christians to study "word and phrase counts" for their theological value?

No?

Then your software can perish with thee. I'm going to read the Bible, and let the losers deconstruct it.

http://youtu.be/G18qq0UekNM

Scott, we are commanded to study and rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). And our study of God's perfect and inerrant word (The King James Bible) will involve taking into account the numbers in the Bible.

All throughout the Scriptures, numbers are used.

Guess what chapter of the entire Bible that the Law first shows up: the 70th chapter (7x10).

20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. - Exodus 20:1-18 (Holy Bible)


Furthermore, are you aware that a picture of the Rapture is given in the Old Testament?

Check this out, in the very verse (Joshua 6:5) right before the 6th verse of the 6th chapter of the 6th book of the Holy Bible, a type and picture of the Rapture is given:


5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him. - Joshua 6:5 (Holy Bible)

That is really neat. Just more proof that the rapture of the body of Christ will take place before the mark of the beast (666) is made available, and before the time of Jacob's trouble begins.


Bottom line Scott, Numbers in the Scripture and their meanings are important to look into and study.

 

[T-Bone]

Mysticism is alive and well in the mind of another KJVO nut!

 

[Biblebeliever]

Since it is your responsibility to demonstrate from Scripture that God desires us to examine "word and phrase counts" in order to "affirm that the Bible is God's perfect and inerrant word," and you have not yet done so, I have rejected nothing - at least, nothing worth keeping.

You may now wait two weeks before coming back and whining, "Is too!"
Of course, now I've just saved you the trouble.

Scott, you do not have to do word or phrase counts if you don't want to. But I choose to make that a part of my study of God's holy word.

The word Godhead appears three times in the Scriptures three times.

Isn't that neat?


The book of Isaiah is a type of the whole Bible. Think about it. There are 66 chapters in the book of Isaiah.


How many books of the Bible do we have? 66.


The phrase: "thousand years" appears 6 times in the 20th chapter of the book of Revelation.


You say; what exactly is the significance of that?

Well consider what 2 Peter 3:8 says:

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.



It is agreed upon by just about all Bible believers that from the time of Adam up until now is a period of roughly 6,000 years. So if that is the case, that must means to the LORD, it has really only been 6 days. And we are so close to the Rapture, which also means the Second Coming of the Lord is very close as well being that it takes place about 7 years after the Rapture of the church. And that also means that we are close to the 7th day (7,000 year period).


This can be seen even in the account of the creation in the book of Genesis.



1 Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them.

2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.

3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. - Genesis 2:1-3 (Holy Bible)

We read from the Holy Bible, that God rested on the seventh day.


And just as God rested on the seventh day. There will be rest also in the 7th Millennium in Millennial Reign of the Lord Jesus Christ when He will rule the Nations with a rod of iron from Jerusalem (Rev. 20).


20 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. - Revelation 20:1-10 (Holy Bible)

 

[Ransom]

Scott, we are commanded to study and rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15).

You haven't proven that studying word and phrase counts in the Bible is "rightly dividing."

All throughout the Scriptures, numbers are used.

You still have not shown that God commands us to study these numbers as a way of proving the divine origin of the Scriptures.

Guess what chapter of the entire Bible that the Law first shows up: the 70th chapter (7x10).

Where does God tell us that chapter numbers are theologically important?

Furthermore, are you aware that a picture of the Rapture is given in the Old Testament? . . .

5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him. - Joshua 6:5 (Holy Bible)

LOL! OK, by ignoring half the words in the verse in between all the other words, it can be made to read superficially like it's talking about the Rapture.

Is this what you call "rightly dividing"? Shuffling up the Scriptures like a deck of cards, then dealing out passages out of context?

Where does God command you to treat his Word in such a careless fashion?

That is really neat.

In what part of the Scriptures does God say that playing math tricks with verse numbers, however "really neat" it might be, is a valid means of obtaining truth from the Bible?

Bottom line Scott, Numbers in the Scripture and their meanings are important to look into and study.

Bottom line: You and your KJV-only buddies are no better than fortune-tellers. God hates those.

 

[Ransom]

Scott, you do not have to do word or phrase counts if you don't want to. But I choose to make that a part of my study of God's holy word.

Then I choose to disregard your opinions about the Scriptures, because they are the vain ramblings of a fool.

The word Godhead appears three times in the Scriptures three times.

Isn't that neat?

And if you wrote three times once more, you would have written three times three times.

Just like I did.

And it still doesn't prove anything. Isn't that neat?

LOL!

 

[T-Bone]

And just think...Exodus 25:10 says the Ark of the Covenant will be 2 1/2 cubits in length, 1 1/2 cubits wide & 1 1/2 cubits high that equals 5 1/2...don't know what that proves, but somehow it must be related to the KJV being the fully inspired Bible, cause the Ark is only 5 1/2 but the KJV has been purified 7 times.  I'm convinced!  8)