The King James Code

[tduncan]

Have you given us a good reason to believe that God desires Christians to study "word and phrase counts" for their theological value?

No?

Then your software can perish with thee. I'm going to read the Bible, and let the losers deconstruct it.

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Scott, we are commanded to study and rightly divide the word of truth (2 Timothy 2:15). And our study of God's perfect and inerrant word (The King James Bible) will involve taking into account the numbers in the Bible.

All throughout the Scriptures, numbers are used.

Guess what chapter of the entire Bible that the Law first shows up: the 70th chapter (7x10).

20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off. - Exodus 20:1-18 (Holy Bible)


Furthermore, are you aware that a picture of the Rapture is given in the Old Testament?

Check this out, in the very verse (Joshua 6:5) right before the 6th verse of the 6th chapter of the 6th book of the Holy Bible, a type and picture of the Rapture is given:


5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him. - Joshua 6:5 (Holy Bible)

That is really neat. Just more proof that the rapture of the body of Christ will take place before the mark of the beast (666) is made available, and before the time of Jacob's trouble begins.


Bottom line Scott, Numbers in the Scripture and their meanings are important to look into and study.

Where are we commanded to study numbers in Scripture?  How does it edify the believe and hhelp them grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ?

 

[Biblebeliever]

Biblebeliever, would you be so kind as to address my comments above?

[/quote]

Sure.


I'll start with the number 10.

In Exodus 20, How many commandments were given on Mount Sinai to Moses to give unto the Nation of Israel?

That will be the first part to your question on how the number 10 relates to and can represent Law in the Scriptures.

Now regarding kingship, want to take a guess at which chapter and verse the word kingdom first shows up???

Genesis 10:10:

10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.

Also consider the number of kingdoms which the antichrist will have control over:


7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.

8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things. - Daniel 7:7-8 (Holy Bible)


20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.

21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;

22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. - Daniel 7:20-24 (Holy Bible)


And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. - Revelation 12:3 (Holy Bible)


13 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. - Revelation 13:1 (Holy Bible)


3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. - Revelation 17:3 (Holy Bible)


7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns. - Revelation 17:7 (Holy Bible)


12 And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

13 These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.

14 These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful.

15 And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

16 And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. - Revelation 17:12-16 (Holy Bible)




Are you starting to see why Ten is also referred to as the Number for Kingship in the Scriptures?


You see Subllibrm, you allow the Scriptures to define the numbers in the Bible.

Let's go to back to the Old Testament now to see how the number ten is used regarding the area of kingship. The very first king ever mentioned in the Bible is Nimrod, and the very first time he appears in the Scriptures is in Genesis 10:


8 And Cush begat Nimrod: he began to be a mighty one in the earth.
9 He was a mighty hunter before the Lord: wherefore it is said, Even as Nimrod the mighty hunter before the Lord.
10 And the beginning of his kingdom was Babel, and Erech, and Accad, and Calneh, in the land of Shinar.
11 Out of that land went forth Asshur, and builded Nineveh, and the city Rehoboth, and Calah, - Genesis 10:8-11 (Holy Bible)




Now before I move onto the number 5; I have to share a very neat patter which I just discovered regarding the number 10 in the book of Numbers. Check this out and see if you can pick up on the pattern for yourself:


Numbers 7:14 One spoon of ten shekels of gold, full of incense:

Numbers 7:20 One spoon of gold of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:26 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:32 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:38 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:44 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:50 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:56 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:62 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:68 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:74 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:80 One golden spoon of ten shekels, full of incense:

Numbers 7:86 The golden spoons were twelve, full of incense, weighing ten shekels apiece, after the shekel of the sanctuary: all the gold of the spoons was an hundred and twenty shekels.

Now you may be asking, what exactly is the significance here regarding this pattern? I am not really sure as of yet. But It is just really neat.


Now regarding the Number 5 and the rapture.

First it should be pointed out that while the word "rapture" is not found anywhere in the Holy Bible, the following words are though: translate, translated, and translation.

Now let us look at the word translated and see how it coincides with the number 5:


5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God. - Hebrews 11:5 (Holy Bible)

Enoch's translation is first mentioned in the 5th chapter of Genesis:

21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begat Methuselah:

22 And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:

24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him. - Genesis 5:21-24(Holy Bible)


Also, all forms of the word translate (i.e. translated, translation, translate) occur a total of 5 times in the Holy Scriptures. The 5th time that it occurs is in Hebrews 11:5.The fifth verse of Hebrews 11.

So to answer your question Subllibrm, as a student of the Bible, you are to let God's word define each number in the Scriptures. And know this, numbers do serve an important role and part in the Holy Scriptures. Keep in mind that there is an entire book of the Bible called Numbers.

The number 10 is the number for kingship and the law based upon the Scriptures.

And yes I am aware that Moses did not write Genesis with Chapter divisions, or did he ???

 

[Biblebeliever]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

(Honestly, I thought you'd figure this part out by now.)

Okay? And what exactly is your point here RSC2a?? Are you telling me that you don't believe that the Rapture is very close?


[quote author=rsc2a]

Yes. English is the second third largest native language. Chinese is 'only' the native tongue for by about 2.5x as many people (and more people than #2 & 3 combined). And many of those countries you referred to have more than ten 'official' languages.[/quote]


What countries exactly have more than "ten" official languages???


[quote author=rsc2a]

Great! Perfect means perfect. Now can you tell me where the Bible defines what it means by perfect?[/quote]


First off RSC2a, I am going to answer this question of yours with a question: do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?


[quote author=rsc2a]

Time to start using different standards to defend your idol. After all, there's no way your argument holds any legitimacy if you require the same standards from your idol.[/quote]

I defend the King James Bible because it is God's perfect, pure, and inerrant word.

And I attack the modern versions (NIV, ESV, NASB, etc.) because they are satanic counterfeits. The modern versions are nothing more than Vatican versions.

[quote author=rsc2a]

No. It promotes one god with two Persons (in this passage). It talks about a third Person in other passages. What in the world is the deal with KJVo-ist and their heretical views regarding the Trinity?[/quote]


No it does not not. It does not promote One God with two persons in the passage.

The New American Satanic bible promotes the Gnostic and Arian heresy in John 1:18 of its text! The NASB teaches the idea of two separate "gods." An invisible one and a visible one.

[quote author=rsc2a]
I mean your KJV might be different than another KJV which might be different from another KJV which might be.... Your idea of only one version of the KJV is a delusion.
[/quote]


Prove it.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Where are we commanded to study numbers in Scripture?  How does it edify the believe and hhelp them grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ?

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 (Holy Bible)


In this verse we are commanded to study and rightly divide the word of truth.

That involves studying the words of the Scriptures. And that would also include a study of the Numerical accounts in the Scriptures.

 

[Biblebeliever]

You haven't proven that studying word and phrase counts in the Bible is "rightly dividing."

Actually rightly dividing will at times involve the right division of a verse or two of Scripture. Consider the following example:

61 The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;

2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; - Isaiah 61:1-2 (Holy Bible)



You see Isaiah 61:1-2a [emphasis bold (black)] is about Christ's first coming.

And Isaiah 61:2b ("the day of vengence") [emphasis bold in blue] is about Christ's Second Coming.


So again, right division and dispensational Bible Study will at times involve the right division of a verse or two of Scripture.

You still have not shown that God commands us to study these numbers as a way of proving the divine origin of the Scriptures.

Well if you want to be that specific Scott, could you show me in the Scriptures where we are forbidden to study the numbers of the Scriptures?

While the phrase: "study the words" or "study the numbers" is not in the Scriptures, this verse of Scripture is:


15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 (Holy Bible)

We can see that this verse of Scripture commands us to study the word of God. And that involves reading and studying the Holy Bible, and that would include all the words of the Bible, including the numbers in the Scriptures.

Where does God tell us that chapter numbers are theologically important?

I'll answer your question with a question Scott.


How many Chapters are in the entire Bible?

LOL! OK, by ignoring half the words in the verse in between all the other words, it can be made to read superficially like it's talking about the Rapture.

Is this what you call "rightly dividing"? Shuffling up the Scriptures like a deck of cards, then dealing out passages out of context?

Where does God command you to treat his Word in such a careless fashion?

I did not mean to take it out of context. Here I'll share it within the fuller context of the passage:


6 Now Jericho was straitly shut up because of the children of Israel: none went out, and none came in.

2 And the Lord said unto Joshua, See, I have given into thine hand Jericho, and the king thereof, and the mighty men of valour.

3 And ye shall compass the city, all ye men of war, and go round about the city once. Thus shalt thou do six days.

4 And seven priests shall bear before the ark seven trumpets of rams' horns: and the seventh day ye shall compass the city seven times, and the priests shall blow with the trumpets.

5 And it shall come to pass, that when they make a long blast with the ram's horn, and when ye hear the sound of the trumpet, all the people shall shout with a great shout; and the wall of the city shall fall down flat, and the people shall ascend up every man straight before him.

6 And Joshua the son of Nun called the priests, and said unto them, Take up the ark of the covenant, and let seven priests bear seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the Lord.

7 And he said unto the people, Pass on, and compass the city, and let him that is armed pass on before the ark of the Lord.

8 And it came to pass, when Joshua had spoken unto the people, that the seven priests bearing the seven trumpets of rams' horns passed on before the Lord, and blew with the trumpets: and the ark of the covenant of the Lord followed them.

9 And the armed men went before the priests that blew with the trumpets, and the rereward came after the ark, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.

10 And Joshua had commanded the people, saying, Ye shall not shout, nor make any noise with your voice, neither shall any word proceed out of your mouth, until the day I bid you shout; then shall ye shout.

11 So the ark of the Lord compassed the city, going about it once: and they came into the camp, and lodged in the camp.

12 And Joshua rose early in the morning, and the priests took up the ark of the Lord.

13 And seven priests bearing seven trumpets of rams' horns before the ark of the Lord went on continually, and blew with the trumpets: and the armed men went before them; but the rereward came after the ark of the Lord, the priests going on, and blowing with the trumpets.

14 And the second day they compassed the city once, and returned into the camp: so they did six days.

15 And it came to pass on the seventh day, that they rose early about the dawning of the day, and compassed the city after the same manner seven times: only on that day they compassed the city seven times.

16 And it came to pass at the seventh time, when the priests blew with the trumpets, Joshua said unto the people, Shout; for the Lord hath given you the city.

17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the Lord: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent.

18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.

19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the Lord: they shall come into the treasury of the Lord.

20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.

22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her.

23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel.

24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the Lord.

25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho.

26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the Lord, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it.

27 So the Lord was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country. - Joshua 6:1-27 (Holy Bible)


Even in the context, Joshua 6:5 is still a type and picture of the Rapture. Just compare it with other passages of Scripture on the Rapture:


4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. - Revelation 4:1 (Holy Bible)


16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words. - 1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (Holy Bible)

In what part of the Scriptures does God say that playing math tricks with verse numbers, however "really neat" it might be, is a valid means of obtaining truth from the Bible?

Again, I'll answer your question with this question: Where in the Bible is it forbidden to count and study the number of times a certain word or phrase appears in the Scriptures?

Bottom line: You and your KJV-only buddies are no better than fortune-tellers. God hates those.

No Scott, the bottom line is that Numbers have great importance in the Scriptures. And you cannot prove otherwise.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Then I choose to disregard your opinions about the Scriptures, because they are the vain ramblings of a fool.

And you still have not showed me a verse in Scripture where studying numbers is forbidden.

And if you wrote three times once more, you would have written three times three times.

Just like I did.

And it still doesn't prove anything. Isn't that neat?

LOL!

The Godhead appearing three times in the Scriptures (Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, Colossians 2:9) is very significant.


It should be noted that a lot of the modern versions have totally removed the term "Godhead."

 

[tduncan]

Where are we commanded to study numbers in Scripture?  How does it edify the believe and hhelp them grow in the grace and knowledge of Christ?

15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. - 2 Timothy 2:15 (Holy Bible)


In this verse we are commanded to study and rightly divide the word of truth.

That involves studying the words of the Scriptures. And that would also include a study of the Numerical accounts in the Scriptures.

Good grief, are you that dense?  Nowhere...nowhere...are we told by  Christ, Paul, Peter, James, or any other NT writer to study numbers.  Yes, we are to study....but we are to study doctrine, not foolishness.  People like you foster unscriptural ideas on others and cause them to focus on the wrong things.

 

[Ransom]

Actually rightly dividing will at times involve the right division of a verse or two of Scripture.

Actually, "rightly dividing" doesn't even mean dividing.  Paul is using a figure of speech for treating the word of truth responsibly.

So when you "rightly divide" a verse or two, you aren't actually "rightly dividing."

LOL!

You still have not shown that God commands us to study these numbers as a way of proving the divine origin of the Scriptures.

Well if you want to be that specific Scott, could you show me in the Scriptures where we are forbidden to study the numbers of the Scriptures?

Probably around the same place where we are forbidden to ask Mary to intercede for us.

We can see that this verse of Scripture commands us to study the word of God. And that involves reading and studying the Holy Bible, and that would include all the words of the Bible, including the numbers in the Scriptures.

You seem to shift between numbers in the Scriptures and numbers about the Scriptures whenever one or the other is more convenient. Do you even understand the distinction?

Where does God tell us that chapter numbers are theologically important?

I'll answer your question with a question Scott.

No. Answer my question with an answer. Where does God tell us that chapter numbers are theologically important?

I did not mean to take it out of context.

The bold parts didn't appear by accident. You meant do do exactly what you did. Don't be dishonest.

Even in the context, Joshua 6:5 is still a type and picture of the Rapture.

You don't get it, do you?

It's not that you took 6:5 out of context from the rest of chapter 6. It's that you took verse 5 and sliced and diced it into tiny bits.

One is just as bad as the other.

You have no clue how to handle the Word of God correctly.

Just compare it with other passages of Scripture on the Rapture:

4 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter. - Revelation 4:1 (Holy Bible)

There is no "Rapture" in this verse. There is John, seeing a vision in which he ascends into heaven to see things to come.

We don't do allegory here.

You have no clue how to read the Scriptures rightly.

In what part of the Scriptures does God say that playing math tricks with verse numbers, however "really neat" it might be, is a valid means of obtaining truth from the Bible?

Again, I'll answer your question with this question:

No. Answer it with an answer.

 

[Ransom]

And you still have not showed me a verse in Scripture where studying numbers is forbidden.

You might as well ask where the Bible verse is that says drawing parallels between Scripture and Superman comics is forbidden.  There isn't one, so I guess it's OK.

It's not up to me to prove that your hermeneutic is faulty.  It's up to you to prove that it isn't.

The Godhead appearing three times in the Scriptures (Acts 17:29, Romans 1:20, Colossians 2:9) is very significant.

No, it very isn't.

It should be noted that a lot of the modern versions have totally removed the term "Godhead."

Of course they do. It's a very old word meaning "God-hood," or "the nature of being God," which dates back a thousand years and many people mistakenly think has something to do with a head.  Better to use a synonym such as "Deity" or "divine nature" that most people can understand.

 

[rsc2a]

And 2000 years ago, the saints thought the same thing. And 1000 years ago. And 500. And 100...

(Honestly, I thought you'd figure this part out by now.)

Okay? And what exactly is your point here RSC2a?? Are you telling me that you don't believe that the Rapture is very close?

My point is that your "proof" vis-a-vis the rapture is a non-sequitur. As to when it will occur, I don't worry about it. I try to live every day for God regardless of when He returns. (And I assume that your understanding of the parousia is a lot different than mine.)


[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]

Yes. English is the second third largest native language. Chinese is 'only' the native tongue for by about 2.5x as many people (and more people than #2 & 3 combined). And many of those countries you referred to have more than ten 'official' languages.[/quote]


What countries exactly have more than "ten" official languages???[/quote]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=countries+with+most+official+languages

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]Great! Perfect means perfect. Now can you tell me where the Bible defines what it means by perfect?[/quote]

First off RSC2a, I am going to answer this question of yours with a question: do you believe that the Bible is the word of God?[/quote]

No thanks. You are the one who said you are using "the definition of a perfect Bible according to the Scripture".

I'm simply asking you to provide chapter and verse, something you haven't done. You've given me plenty of verses where God says his word is perfect, but not that actually define what that means.

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]Time to start using different standards to defend your idol. After all, there's no way your argument holds any legitimacy if you require the same standards from your idol.[/quote]

I defend the King James Bible because it is God's perfect, pure, and inerrant word.

And I attack the modern versions (NIV, ESV, NASB, etc.) because they are satanic counterfeits. The modern versions are nothing more than Vatican versions. [/quote]

You defend the King Jimmy because you believe it doesn't attack the deity of Jesus in certain passages because it uses phrasing that clearly affirms the deity of Jesus where the other translations do not. Yet you attack other translations because they use phrasing in certain passages that clearly affirms the deity of Jesus where the King Jimmy is much less clear.

In short, you are applying a double standard.

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]No. It promotes one god with two Persons (in this passage). It talks about a third Person in other passages. What in the world is the deal with KJVo-ist and their heretical views regarding the Trinity?[/quote]


No it does not not. It does not promote One God with two persons in the passage.

The New American Satanic bible promotes the Gnostic and Arian heresy in John 1:18 of its text! The NASB teaches the idea of two separate "gods." An invisible one and a visible one.[/quote]

You don't know anything about Arian and/or Gnostic beliefs, do you?

[quote author=Biblebeliever][quote author=rsc2a]
I mean your KJV might be different than another KJV which might be different from another KJV which might be.... Your idea of only one version of the KJV is a delusion.
[/quote]

Prove it.[/quote]

Simple. Does your KJV look like this?



And you still haven't addressed all the posts I've provided where another Bible-code KJVo-ist says that 5 is the number for death. You keep saying it's the number for grace. Both of you have about the same amount of validity regarding this point and it's really going to affect how you interpret your code. (i.e. none at all)

 

[subllibrm]

Do the numbers work in the original languages?

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

Do the numbers work in the original languages?

Can I make a more perfect translation than the King James if I load it up with even more symbolic word counts than the KJV has? 

 

[T-Bone]

Do the numbers work in the original languages?

What is wrong with you?  Don't you know that the KJV corrects the original!  Therefore your question doesn't matter!  8)

 

[Biblebeliever]

Good grief, are you that dense?  Nowhere...nowhere...are we told by  Christ, Paul, Peter, James, or any other NT writer to study numbers.  Yes, we are to study....but we are to study doctrine, not foolishness.  People like you foster unscriptural ideas on others and cause them to focus on the wrong things.

tduncan, we are told to study and to rightly divide the word of truth (2 Tim. 2:15).

That involves reading, studying, and comparing Scripture with Scripture.

There are plenty of Numerical accounts in the Scriptures. God uses numbers greatly in the Holy Scriptures. So our study of Scripture will involve both words and numbers.

 

[Biblebeliever]

Actually, "rightly dividing" doesn't even mean dividing.  Paul is using a figure of speech for treating the word of truth responsibly.

So when you "rightly divide" a verse or two, you aren't actually "rightly dividing."

LOL!

No, Paul meant what he said. There are dispensational distinctions and divisions in the Scriptures.

You seem to shift between numbers in the Scriptures and numbers about the Scriptures whenever one or the other is more convenient. Do you even understand the distinction?

Sure I do. I understand the distinction.

And the King James Code is a Numerical pattern and Phenomenon that occurs in the Scriptures.

You don't get it, do you?

It's not that you took 6:5 out of context from the rest of chapter 6. It's that you took verse 5 and sliced and diced it into tiny bits.

One is just as bad as the other.

You have no clue how to handle the Word of God correctly.

All I did Scott was show a type and picture of the Rapture in a verse in the book of Joshua. That is what I did. I knew of the context before hand.

But that doesn't change the fact that a picture of the Rapture is given in the verse right before the sixth verse of the sixth chapter of the sixth book of the Bible.

There is no "Rapture" in this verse. There is John, seeing a vision in which he ascends into heaven to see things to come.

We don't do allegory here.

You have no clue how to read the Scriptures rightly.

There is a type of the Rapture in Revelation 4:1. John (the disciple whom Jesus loved) is a type of the church (the body of Christ).

No. Answer it with an answer.

Again:

Where in the Bible is it forbidden to count and study the number of times a certain word or phrase appears in the Scriptures?

 

[Mathew Ward]

People who want to manipulate the Bible will spiritualize the text and read into the text. There are many techniques they use to accomplish this but spiritualizing and reading into are their favorite techniques to use, imho.

 

[Ransom]

Biblebeliever, if you're going to wait a week just so you can post another bunch of "is too" assertions, you are wasting your time and mine.

You are doing nothing to move this conversation forward - and, consequently, nothing to demonstrate to me or anyone else that the "King James Code" is anything but a bunch of mystical horse hockey made up by slavish disciples of a false bibliology.

 

[Ransom]

No, Paul meant what he said.

Paul didn't say "rightly dividing." English didn't even exist in his day.

You seem to shift between numbers in the Scriptures and numbers about the Scriptures whenever one or the other is more convenient. Do you even understand the distinction?

Sure I do. I understand the distinction.

And the King James Code is a Numerical pattern and Phenomenon that occurs in the Scriptures.

You just demonstrated that you don't understand the distinction.

All I did Scott was show a type and picture of the Rapture in a verse in the book of Joshua.

You have asserted this. You have not proven this.  "Is too!"

There is a type of the Rapture in Revelation 4:1. John (the disciple whom Jesus loved) is a type of the church (the body of Christ).

"Is too!"

Where in the Bible is it forbidden to count and study the number of times a certain word or phrase appears in the Scriptures?

Answer me with an answer, not a question.

 

[The Rogue Tomato]

No, Paul meant what he said.

Paul didn't say "rightly dividing." English didn't even exist in his day.

The literal translation would be more like "correctly partitioning".

 

[Ransom]

The literal translation would be more like "correctly partitioning".

Literally, orthotomeo means "straight cutting." "Rightly" in the KJV is more closely related to "upright" than "correct." Commentaries I've read suggest that the picture is of a ploughman cutting proper, straight furrows in a field. (That is, he's not some silly hyper-Dispensationalist feeding the Scriptures into a cross-cut shredder, which would be more akin to ploughing wavy-gravy lines in the field while DUI.)