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Israel is evil.
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Those who say they are Jews, but are not.
I think you're asking if I have sympathy for Hamas or their friends. I don't. I think the Middle East is better off without Hamas and their friends, and I'm not choosy about God's methods of eliminating them or at least stunting their growth. But I think it's naive to think that Netanyahu is a good man, or that he is telling us the whole truth about anything.
But, I also know that Israel is there illegitimately and unjustly and I think that the Palestinians' grievances are valid, and that their continued occupation there is an ongoing provocation. They are not the Israel of God.
A valliant attempt to argue that there is a host of secular benefits from our alliance with Israel, but basically the answer here is that we get war from them.what are you counting as "anything" when you say there is nothing they give us?......
discounting the fact they are a friend and the only democracy in the area - since some here will argue they are neither.... - even if they were not "friendly" or not a "democracy" - according to your definitions.. they still offer the united states secured forward military bases of operation... (something we lost when the democrats botched the afghanistan withdrawal and gave away bagram).... plus shared intelligence and information gathering services that we get from no other nation even close to that area... ...
in military and security excercises israelis often show a higher level of expertise with our own american made equipment than even our own guys have.... . and in more than one joint aerial combat similation exercise israelis ended up teaching the class - and instructing our own pilots on how to best fly against foriegn adversaries and defeat them..... - - that actually started happening during the vietnam war when american pilots were trying to learn how to out fly soviet made aircraft with F4 phantoms... and it has happened several times since then too...... they wrote the book on urban combat and armored operations and our troops have been learning those lessons from them for decades too...... ....in that regard it;s a partnership you don;t just willy-nilly throw away....
and those are just a few things i know about as a non-military private civilian... stuff that is public knowledge and out there for anyone to see..... ....others with security clearances and in the military know a lot more than that.... ... ... and when it comes to whether israel is a valuable friend to the u.s. or not - i tend to trust those people .. especially the ones i know personally.. ..a lot more than i do keyboard warriors on the internet who have already admitted they don;t follow or keep up with things as much as some others do......
What you're trying to avoid giving is the answer given by the Got Questions people. And that is that God will allow us to prosper as a nation as long was we support the lucky people.
Much like we are here in the United States unjustly, no current international law would justify or allow what we did to the native Americans. England was controled by the Anglo saxons, the Romans and then the Normans until it was unified by King Æthelstan in 927. I believe there were some Danes in there somewhere but my memory fails me. The Palestinian issue is a difficult one and could easily be resolved if they could live peacably together, but since Hamas has vowed to destroy Isreal and the Jews that is not likely. We cannot deal with what should have been, we must work with what is. It's the agression from Hamas that causes the conflict.
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well.... according to my ancestors you and your kind occupy the american continent unjustly and illegitimately.... the greivances of those i descended from and also from other native americans were known to be valid for centuries... ... and were known to be valid from the very start of european expasion into the american continent... ... .... but rather than address those greivances in a christian and godly manner your european ancestors answered them with rape theft and murder.....a.k.a. genocide .... none of your military leaders who carried that out..or over saw others who did, ..were good men.... and the leaders in the modern age who have known the truth about what happened for almost 2 centuries now - and continue to keep native american children on reservations sick starving and subject to abuse... are even worse........
so tell me ....(now that you are suddenly concerned with seeing Gods justice carried out and are not picky about how it;s done).... . why should i not hold the same disdain for you and every other american of european ancestry occupying native american lands, that you have for israel?.......
by comparison - israel makes a much greater effort to avoid killing the innocent than the u.s. government ever did for any nation it was at war with.. much less invaded... ... .... and if after all that, israel still has the blood of innocent palestinians on it;s hands then when it comes to the blood of innocent native americans the united states is swimming in it..... .
.... now.... for the record... .. (and just to straighten out any twists or spins to what i just said before you try to make them).... .i also believe america in the modern age is better off without bands of different warring tribes roaming the countryside chasing herds of buffalo and living in the stone age as if the ground was still wet from the great flood of noah..... ...and i know i am certainly better off not living in a cliffside cave or having grown up subject to pagan tribal customs regarding women and chidren rather than u.s. laws based on christian principle..... ..... so don;t even try to go there and claim i am some kind of a.i.m. activist - because i am not.... .. ..i;m just saying that before you go nitpickedly whining about the dust and stray hairs in the israelis eyes you should probably look in the mirror and clean out the mud and infected mucous from your own.......
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very true.... and it has been pointed out for decades now whenever the objections to israeli presence in palestine is brought up... .. but rather than real solutions all the pro-hamas and pro-islamic terror groups can do is obfuscate and make excuses as if somehow the agressions and tresspasses of their ancestors - that got them and their nation to where they are today - were justified while israels move into palestine was not.... .
but what seems ludicrous to me is how those same people can;t see why supporting israel today against islamic terror cults who see both them and israel as their enemies - might be just as vital to keeping their place in the world as the actions of their ancestors were in getting them here..... ....
Let’s put religion aside for a moment. Israel is strategically important to the United States in a geopolitical context. If for no other reason, we should support Israel based on that! (Have we forgotten about 9/11 already?)
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same arguments made by conspiracy theorists concerning what our leaders knew before pearl harbor in 1941... and before the 911 world trade center attack in 2001... and that they allowed the slaughter of americans in order to justify their own desire to go to war.... ... .. and also not much different than the alex jones claim that the obama government set up the massacre of children at sandy hook or staged it as a hoax just so they could move forward with draconian gun control......you are fun. Yes, admittedly I definitely do not have the time to keep up like some do.
Intelligence? I’ve heard a few times they knew they were going to be attacked and allowed it to happen in order to do what they’ve been doing and that’s killing innocent people.
and yet you just suggested they are that evil by repeating in your defense some conspiratorial rumor you heard.... ...so which is it?..... are they some special kind of evil like smellin-coffee says or are they just like any other country with a right to survival?...
you really don;t know what you believe - do you....... you just know you feel bad about something.. .you might not even know what that something is.. ... and have simply chosen this issue for the moment to focus your angst on....... ....ok fair enough... ..speculate away... .. we are all human.... ... right?
Yup.
He's actually a theist that doesn't believe in the God of the Bible. He doesn't know what god he believes in - just that there is one.
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it goes toward what i said years ago about the short term memory of americans... ... most americans are either in denial about it or ignorant of the fact they can;t rmember something like this for more than 6 months... .. but our enemies are well aware of it... and they take advantage of it every chance they get.........
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quite the contrary.... . i have laid out my reasons for supporting israel and it;s based on the opinons of people i live with and trust a lot more than i trust people like you or anyone on the board of the "got questions" website..... ...
it seems you are trying too hard to ascribe a purely religious reason... (or superstitious reason as you like to say)... for the decisions others make on this issue just because it;s the only reason you have.... (or pretend to have)... ..... truth is... you really have no capability of seeing things from someone elses perspective... do you...... it;s all black and white to you... .your way or the wrong way.....
but the more you argue this the more it also seems evident you are trying to hide some personal hatred for the jews along with an uncomfortable rebound affection for palestinians and their causes. ....... like the far left liberals you are allowing hatred of one group of people to make you a champion for terrorists by default... ...... or maybe that;s really where your true allegiances lie and you are just here trolling a christian forum for kicks and thrills.... ...is that it?....
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"Remember the Liberty!"
Careful. Challenging one's illusions with historical facts will get you called a Jew-hater.
Do you think the Dome of the Rock is where it is legitimately? Or do you think it should be relocated?
Oh. And... ..... why?
Ah, yes. I must hate the Jews. But wait...I love the writings of Paul, and Peter...er...I mean...SIMON..., and John...I'M SO CONFLICTED!!
It's babes. I'm just here to scope babes. And the BATTLE STATIONS thread looks promising!you are just here trolling a christian forum for kicks and thrills.... ...is that it?....
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LOL. Would there have been a 9/11 if there were no geopolitical Israel?
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an undeclared act of war is how i;ve heard some describe that... .. they also said lyndon johnson should have been impeached for his part in it - and robert macnamara should have been tried for treason....... .....maybe someday when and if the classified documents are ever unsealed we will learn why those 2 things did not happen.... as well as why israel did it.... ..... ..
it wasn;t the first time the united states allowed the murder of its own citizens or those under it;s care.. ..then covered it up for the sake of politics.... and it also wasn;t the first time a country who was a key ally or who who would become one in time committed such an atrocity either... or refused to apologize for it... ... ...
but survival depends on knowing the world we live in..... and at the moment the biggest enemies of israel are also our biggest enemies..... some day that might change - as those who say prophecy teaches america will not be on the side of israel in the final wars - have pointed out...