My go to as well.
The book of Hebrews is a good place to start.
As expected, the argument is that Israel is our talisman for luck. Bless them or else.
what are you counting as "anything" when you say there is nothing they give us?......I get what you’re saying, butI’m just tired of wars that do not benefit Americans. Israel, as far as I know does not give Americans anything. Friendship is give and take. It’s not one sided.
..John Calvin – “The Jews shall return from their defection to The Obedience of faith and thus shall be completed the salvation of the whole Israel of God.”
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I asked...biblically.John Calvin – “The Jews shall return from their defection to The Obedience of faith and thus shall be completed the salvation of the whole Israel of God.”
RC Sproul – “The nation of Israel as a nation will be restored to God.”
Question. “Dr. Sproul, John MacArthur quoted you in defense of his position that natural Israel, the nation of Israel would would turn to Christ at some future time i.e. that God’s promise that all Israel would be saved applies to ethnic Israel. Is that truly what your statement intended to convey?”
RC Sproul – “As John indicated yesterday, a classic premillennial view of Romans 11 following Edwards, Calvin, Hodge and all the rest, and it talks about a future conversion of ethnic Israel, I believe if you believe in a literal Adam you’re going to have to believe in the salvation of ethnic Israel; same book, same literal reality."
Charles Spurgeon – (On Zechariah) “This vision and prophecy graciously reveal the future history of Jerusalem. We may spiritualize it and say Jerusalem signifies the church, but we should not forget the literal meaning of the words. The Jewish people and their royal city will remain the center of the manifestations of divine glory. The nations of the earth will be joined to the Lord, a suburban population to the chosen city. Jerusalem will be rebuilt in more than her former splendor; the Jews will be restored to their own land; and the Messiah will reign as a prince of the house of David.
You pretend you don't know who Israel is but anyone who believes the Bible has no problem with that; its not just premillennial theologians. The Book of Hebrews was written to Hebrews (Jews) to show them there is a better covenant and those who reject it and go back to Judaism are not saved (Heb 10:38-39). Cf. Heb 3:16-19. In Matthew 24 which you like to quote to prove the Second Coming of Christ was fulfilled in 70 A.D by symbolizing everything including the Book of Revelation doesn't pass the smell test. The entire context of Matthew 24 is Jewish...the temple (v. 1); their flight on the Sabbath (v. 10); the abomination of desolation (v. 15); the elect (v. 22, 24, 31) is Israel (Deut 7:6; Isa 41:8-9). In Isaiah 27:12-13 the whole context is God regathering His people scattered around the world in conjunction with the blowing of the turmpet (Matt 24:31).
Jews are being hunted down and attacked around the world even in the United States. More than 120 countries are calling for the arrest of Benjamin Netanyahu. The events in Matthew 24 are more in line with 2024 A.D. not 70 A.D.
Jews hunted in European pogrom * WorldNetDaily * by Jonathan Feldstein
There are reports of Dutch police refusing to protect the Jewish Israelis in AmsterdamLegal bombshell: International Court issues arrest warrants for Netanyahu, Gallant * WorldNetDaily * by David Brummer
JERUSALEM – The International Criminal Court (ICC) took the unprecedented legal step Thursday of issuing arrest warrants for Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and former Defense Minister Yoav Gallant. This is the first time it has ever issued such warrants against leaders of a...
More specifically, Hellenistic Jews. But, you are not far from the Kingdom of Heaven.
what are you counting as "anything" when you say there is nothing they give us?......
discounting the fact they are a friend and the only democracy in the area - since some here will argue they are neither.... - even if they were not "friendly" or not a "democracy" - according to your definitions.. they still offer the united states secured forward military bases of operation... (something we lost when the democrats botched the afghanistan withdrawal and gave away bagram).... plus shared intelligence and information gathering services that we get from no other nation even close to that area... ...
in military and security excercises israelis often show a higher level of expertise with our own american made equipment than even our own guys have.... . and in more than one joint aerial combat similation exercise israelis ended up teaching the class - and instructing our own pilots on how to best fly against foriegn adversaries and defeat them..... - - that actually started happening during the vietnam war when american pilots were trying to learn how to out fly soviet made aircraft with F4 phantoms... and it has happened several times since then too...... they wrote the book on urban combat and armored operations and our troops have been learning those lessons from them for decades too...... ....in that regard it;s a partnership you don;t just willy-nilly throw away....
and those are just a few things i know about as a non-military private civilian... stuff that is public knowledge and out there for anyone to see..... ....others with security clearances and in the military know a lot more than that.... ... ... and when it comes to whether israel is a valuable friend to the u.s. or not - i tend to trust those people .. especially the ones i know personally.. ..a lot more than i do keyboard warriors on the internet who have already admitted they don;t follow or keep up with things as much as some others do....
you are fun. Yes, admittedly I definitely do not have the time to keep up like some do.
It would have to be a gradual thing, of course.
No one has to be a theologian to understand the Abrahamic Covenant and it's fulfillment. One just has to be biblically literate.
What is the issue.
And the shared intelligence.what are you counting as "anything" when you say there is nothing they give us?......
discounting the fact they are a friend and the only democracy in the area - since some here will argue they are neither.... - even if they were not "friendly" or not a "democracy" - according to your definitions.. they still offer the united states secured forward military bases of operation... (something we lost when the democrats botched the afghanistan withdrawal and gave away bagram).... plus shared intelligence and information gathering services that we get from no other nation even close to that area... ...
in military and security excercises israelis often show a higher level of expertise with our own american made equipment than even our own guys have.... . and in more than one joint aerial combat similation exercise israelis ended up teaching the class - and instructing our own pilots on how to best fly against foriegn adversaries and defeat them..... - - that actually started happening during the vietnam war when american pilots were trying to learn how to out fly soviet made aircraft with F4 phantoms... and it has happened several times since then too...... they wrote the book on urban combat and armored operations and our troops have been learning those lessons from them for decades too...... ....in that regard it;s a partnership you don;t just willy-nilly throw away....
and those are just a few things i know about as a non-military private civilian... stuff that is public knowledge and out there for anyone to see..... ....others with security clearances and in the military know a lot more than that.... ... ... and when it comes to whether israel is a valuable friend to the u.s. or not - i tend to trust those people .. especially the ones i know personally.. ..a lot more than i do keyboard warriors on the internet who have already admitted they don;t follow or keep up with things as much as some others do....
If you were Benjamin Netanyahu how would you have responded to the 7 October 2023 attack
I hope that you aren’t including me in the list of anti Israel people.