Before joining the forum, I’d never heard of Jack Hyles or his college. I grew up around the Bob Jones-or-bust crowd (with an occasional little sprinkle of Pensacola, Liberty U and Clearwater Christian mixed in occasionally). Is Dave Hyles on the college staff or did he take over for his dad?
This link contains material that is slightly dated, and is from an insider IFB source that is no longer even a believer, but will give you a reasonable picture of the slimy trail of Jacks son.
Wow…that’s quite a litany of accusations. Regardless of Dave’s checkered past, the article started out by accusing Jack Hyles of being a serial adulterer. Did I read that correctly? Jack, as in the college president and church pastor. Correct?
Yes, that was the claim. Keep in mind that Jack Hyles was a lightning rod, and much of the stuff written about him is from people with axes to grind. But there is also the old axiom about "where there's smoke there's fire". I never was convinced of a physical affair, but there was what I would call an emotional affair. Truly some strange stuff. Some of Hyles own family has made allegations of inappropriate things. On the old forum there was a very well-known lawyer who had attended during the time of the pastorate of Jack Hyles, and been an insider/leader. He wrote a book called Fundamental Seduction, which I read, and still was unconvinced. One of the most damning claims which I do believe was absolutely true, was that he unleashed his son (Dave) on a congregation in Garland, Texas after he was aware of Dave's predilections. Aleshanee has family who was a part of that congregation.
It’s also surprising to me that Mr. Jack Hyles would be aware of his son having numerous affairs but then supposedly help him gain a pastorate position at another church. I have to say, as much disdain as I used to have for the Bob Jones U crowd, I don’t think they would have been of that mindset. They were more of a “shunning with no grace” type.
I understand that you're avoiding the question and have a lot to learn about the Israeli form of 'democracy.' The allusion to your sister's epiphany that there can only be a one-state solution belies your stated impartiality concerning the Temple Mount and who has the valid claims thereof.
Reverting to name-calling suggests that you're defensive and therefore find my opinion to be valid.--Spock
very true.... the people we know who work there ..safely move people through there.... and some who serve with idf say one needs to be there and see it first hand to discern when those times are ... ... and i know they have spoken out against decisions they thought were wrong... .. but they did it in a discreet manner that did not give enemies of the u.s. more power or reason to act..... it;s not an easy situation to deal with and certainly not as black and white as too many on both sides of it here try to paint it....... the ultimate goal is a stable and secure middle east... ...
you don;t have a clue when you are reading about it or seeing it on tv from the comfort of your armchair - 6 thousand miles away... ... but the people on the ground trying to live and work there know plenty about it..... and they are not having fun at all.....
you understand nothing..... you are just a punk with a keyboard - trolling christian forums to entertain himself ... probably because you have no other life and no family off the forum that hasn;t run away from you already... . and if you are who some people think you are then your heads in the oven coz nobody will give you a pulpit to act like a punk from..... ..
That’s a pretty sad and disappointing situation. Was Dave Hyles on staff at the church or the college in Indiana when his dad arranged for him to be pastor at the church in Texas? I guess technically either way, he was working for his father, but just curious his occupational capacity when all this happened.
when my dad attended there dave hyles was staff at both the church and the college... .. youth pastor at the church and frequent speaker in chapel at the college..... my dad was only there one semester - but in that brief time saw plenty of things that dispelled a lot of glowing myths... and also confirmed some negative rumors.. ..
That’s sort of what I was driving at. I’ve known of a couple of younger assistant pastors (usually youth pastors) who were considered not ready for being a head pastor, and the head pastors would send the young pastor off to work at another church prior to giving his blessing that he was considered ready for the head pastorate at a church. I kind of think of it as a second boot camp. Granted, these were situations that revolved mostly around a maturity concern, not a moral concern. Anyway, if all of that is true, I’m surprised Dave was sent by his father to be any type of pastor. Even if the concern was more about maturity and less about morality, he should have been sent to work under another senior pastor elsewhere.
in his case maybe a stint in reform school first.. or even a prison farm for a couple of years... .. and then sent to a church to learn under a senior pastor... .. . as it was he was sent as a very arrogant - immature and immoral man in his early 20s.. and with no experience... to pastor a church with a membership in the thousands.... ..a recipe for disaster that in some ways is still playing out.....
Well, I’m much more informed on the Hyles issue. I’ve seen the name bandied about on here but never really known the background information on the church, college or Hyles family. Regardless of whether he comes on this forum or not, I hope Dave has made some positive, Christ-like changes in life. I imagine being the son of a large pastoral figure like Mr. Hyles was probably not an easy load to bear as a kid. I’m not making excuses, just imagining it was like living in a glass house with a lot of pressure to live up to expectations 24/7.
Which sovereignty, was granted by the UN. Wouldn't you say, @aleshanee ?
That’s unfortunate. I guess he didn’t change after all.I wouldn't count on it.
David Hyles' Newest Scandal: A Secret Year-Long Affair
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