How much do HAC/FBCH staff members really make?

[cast.sheep]

See, here's the thing: the examples you gave had money BEFORE they came to HAC.  Their salaries were "disposable income" for the most part.
As time went on and staff was hired from within there weren't many who had experience at anything other than ministry. There was a great gulf between the haves and have nots among college staff.
Believe it or not, things got a little better under JS. But even then, some were taken care of very well and others, not so much. His best friends lived well, by HAC standards.

 

[Tennessean]

Mark Crockett did not leave angry. He left two years before the JS situation to take an assistant pastor position in another ministry. The college gave him a small but thoughtful going away party.
He workred two and three jobs the entire time he was on staff at HAC in order to make ends meet.
I know him well. He's a good man.

Sorry I didn't mean to imply that Mark was angry at the college. He was not.

What I meant was he was angry at me. I was an immature young man and rightfully deserved the scolding he gave me. Yes, he did work very hard while he was there.

 

[cast.sheep]

He chewed a few guys out. Ha! But most knew he cared about them.

 

[sword]

How do you make the distinction between full time servant & layman.

What about a college or christian school teacher who works 30 to 40 hrs a week on the side.

What about a steel worker who works 40 hrs a week then puts in 20 - 30 hrs a week in ministries of the church.

What about an assistant pastor or christian school teacher who collects a 40 hr paycheck but does not participate in a single church ministry outside their job.

What about a young couple who work full time in local jobs then put in a combined 40 to 50 hrs a week as unpaid youth pastor & wife. Who Tithe on their minimum wage jobs then spend another 10% of their income on gas & supplies for their bus route and youth activities.

I think we make too much out titles.

 

[kaba]

In the 90s, Roger Casteel ran a paper route to supplement his income.

He also invested in gold and silver. I remember hearing him and Tim Rasmussen talk about it.

 

[RAIDER]

Bottom line - before anyone took a job at HAC they knew what their salary would be.  They pretty much knew the hours required of them.  It is easy for us to say that they were all underpaid (and I believe they were), but it was their decision to work for the amount they were paid. 

I believe it was a sacrificial ministry to many.  They had eternities values in view.  They sacrificed earthly goods for heavenly rewards.  Again, it was their choice.

I believe others looked at it as a prestigious position in the IFB world.  They were working for the ultimate IFB college and the most well known IFB pastor.  They gave us $ for a title.

As always, just my opinion!

 

[cast.sheep]

Bottom line - before anyone took a job at HAC they knew what their salary would be.  They pretty much knew the hours required of them.  It is easy for us to say that they were all underpaid (and I believe they were), but it was their decision to work for the amount they were paid. 

I believe it was a sacrificial ministry to many.  They had eternities values in view.  They sacrificed earthly goods for heavenly rewards.  Again, it was their choice.

I believe others looked at it as a prestigious position in the IFB world.  They were working for the ultimate IFB college and the most well known IFB pastor.  They gave us $ for a title.

As always, just my opinion!

No, Raider.  When hired you were NOT told how much your salary would be.  And we were taught that you should NEVER ask what you would be paid.  If it was God's will, God would take care of you. It's hard to argue with that.  But, they used it as a way to pay people peanuts.  I mean, you knew you weren't going to get rich, but you had no idea what you would be paid until you got your first paycheck.  And yes, it was a "privilege" to work there.  They told you that all the time.  They substituted titles for increased salary. Titles are so overrated.

I'm not complaining.  For us it was the fabric of our life that made us quite content with the beautiful life we have now.  And we have a ton of good memories.  We made life-long friendships and that in itself was worth it.

That being said, I will never EVER step foot in there again.  As soon as I get near the area this cloud of depression descends on me.  And as soon as I leave, it lifts.  Nothing...not title, no prestige, no recognition is worth giving the best years of your life over to a man and/or ministry that basically cared nothing about you. 

 

[RAIDER]

No, Raider.  When hired you were NOT told how much your salary would be.  And we were taught that you should NEVER ask what you would be paid.  If it was God's will, God would take care of you. It's hard to argue with that.  But, they used it as a way to pay people peanuts.  I mean, you knew you weren't going to get rich, but you had no idea what you would be paid until you got your first paycheck.  And yes, it was a "privilege" to work there.  They told you that all the time.  They substituted titles for increased salary. Titles are so overrated.

Because of your experience I know you are being 100% honest.  It is crazy for someone to take a job and not know what they are going to be paid.  I know that you guys were young and caught up in what was going on.  I guess it shows the power that HAC had over some.

 

[brainisengaged]

They still don't like to talk money before they hire someone. I was recently interviewed for two positions and in each case, not only did they not tell me how much I would be making...they did not even know when I asked how to answer the question. I was told they would get that information to me, and they never did within the amount of time I told them I would be thinking it over.

 

[RAIDER]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous. 

 

[cast.sheep]

Exactly, Raider.  Hubby was a brand new Christian when we came and I wasn't far behind.  Pretty much all we knew about Christianity we learned there.  Scary, huh?  They preached and taught that you should NEVER ask what your salary will be when being interviewed.  Trust God.  The problem is, we thought when they said "God" they were talking about, you know, creator of the world God.  We didn't realize they were really talking about the pastor.  The person interviewing and doing the hiring was not the one who decided what your salary would be.  The interviewers honestly didn't know.  And salary was completely up to the pastor.  So, two people doing the same job were not necessarily making the same amount of salary.  If you went to the pastor and handed over your pride and your life, he took good better care of you.

It only took us 30 years to get out....hahaha!  Still, God is good.  His plan for us included all of that. We are happy. Can't ask for more than that.

But, I feel bad for any other young people who get caught up in the system.  We gave them the best years of our lives:  Ages 18-48.  We walked away with nothing, humanly speaking. But, we have what matters.  A strong family, happy marriage, and sense of humor.  That's more than a lot of people leave with, including the pastors.

 

[BALAAM]

Exactly, Raider.  Hubby was a brand new Christian when we came and I wasn't far behind.  Pretty much all we knew about Christianity we learned there.  Scary, huh?  They preached and taught that you should NEVER ask what your salary will be when being interviewed.  Trust God.  The problem is, we thought when they said "God" they were talking about, you know, creator of the world God.  We didn't realize they were really talking about the pastor.  The person interviewing and doing the hiring was not the one who decided what your salary would be.  The interviewers honestly didn't know.  And salary was completely up to the pastor.  So, two people doing the same job were not necessarily making the same amount of salary.  If you went to the pastor and handed over your pride and your life, he took good better care of you.

It only took us 30 years to get out....hahaha!  Still, God is good.  His plan for us included all of that. We are happy. Can't ask for more than that.

This was pounded into our heads over and over that you should never ask what the salary is. Code for it is going to suck!

 

[cast.sheep]

This was pounded into our heads over and over that you should never ask what the salary is. Code for it is going to suck!

Haha!  This made me laugh out loud...literally!  So true...... And by the way, we weren't butt-kissers...so we weren't cared for like those who were.  I don't regret it.  I am thankful that we were healthy and both of us worked hard.  We made it. 

 

[prophet]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous.

God is against oppression of the hired, through low wages.

What amazes me, is that the staff are supposed to "live by faith"by working for less then a living wage.  But the Church isn't supposed to live by faith, and pay a living wage.

God hates this practice.

 

[16KJV11]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous.

God is against oppression of the hired, through low wages.

What amazes me, is that the staff are supposed to "live by faith"by working for less then a living wage.  But the Church isn't supposed to live by faith, and pay a living wage.

God hates this practice.

Ever wonder why tuition was so cheap?  My lame GI bill took care of most of my tuition  when I was there. 

 

[prophet]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous.

God is against oppression of the hired, through low wages.

What amazes me, is that the staff are supposed to "live by faith"by working for less then a living wage.  But the Church isn't supposed to live by faith, and pay a living wage.

God hates this practice.

Ever wonder why tuition was so cheap?  My lame GI bill took care of most of my tuition  when I was there.

A minimum wage job could get a dorm guy through, if he could carpool.
They knew who their target crowd was, for sure.

 

[16KJV11]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous.

God is against oppression of the hired, through low wages.

What amazes me, is that the staff are supposed to "live by faith"by working for less then a living wage.  But the Church isn't supposed to live by faith, and pay a living wage.

God hates this practice.

Ever wonder why tuition was so cheap?  My lame GI bill took care of most of my tuition  when I was there.

A minimum wage job could get a dorm guy through, if he could carpool.
They knew who their target crowd was, for sure.

It was cheap but not that cheap.

 

[prophet]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous.

God is against oppression of the hired, through low wages.

What amazes me, is that the staff are supposed to "live by faith"by working for less then a living wage.  But the Church isn't supposed to live by faith, and pay a living wage.

God hates this practice.

Ever wonder why tuition was so cheap?  My lame GI bill took care of most of my tuition  when I was there.

A minimum wage job could get a dorm guy through, if he could carpool.
They knew who their target crowd was, for sure.

It was cheap but not that cheap.

Full tuition, with room and board, was $400 a month for me.

Theoretically, that included all meals.

So, if you pulled in $150+ a week, t/h, you were ok.

 

[16KJV11]

I realize that college staff realizes that they are not there to get rich.  They realize that they are going to make less money than they would on most other jobs.  They realize they are doing this for the Lord.  On the other hand, for an employer to avoid telling someone what they would be paid is ludicrous.

God is against oppression of the hired, through low wages.

What amazes me, is that the staff are supposed to "live by faith"by working for less then a living wage.  But the Church isn't supposed to live by faith, and pay a living wage.

God hates this practice.

Ever wonder why tuition was so cheap?  My lame GI bill took care of most of my tuition  when I was there.

A minimum wage job could get a dorm guy through, if he could carpool.
They knew who their target crowd was, for sure.

It was cheap but not that cheap.

Full tuition, with room and board, was $400 a month for me.

Theoretically, that included all meals.

So, if you pulled in $150+ a week, t/h, you were ok.

Agreed, but only IF you worked 40 hours a week and taxes, tithing, transportation and toothpaste were optional. 

 

[cast.sheep]

The tuition at PCC is much less than HAC.  We were surprised by that.  But, hey!  Someone's gotta pay for the repairs on Stuart Mason's house.