FBCH calls another Jack . . .

[christundivided]

Alrighty, I wanted some information about this Jack Wilkinson character, and thanks to CU, I now know that he preached after his son died, and therefore he's a worse version of Hitler.

Great. Anyone with something substantial to add?

Do a Google Book search for "God makes no mistakes" by Wilkerson.

I had NO problem with him preaching after his son's death. I have a problem with him getting praised for it.... as if it was the right example for Christians to do.

I also have a problem with HIM writing a book that sets forth that example as being the Grace of God for Christians.

I've never compared him to Hitler... "Ransom"....

nor have I compared him to the forums resident "Canadian". I wouldn't do that to the man....

Just wanted you to know that God foreordained me to write that before the foundation of the world....just for you... you little Calvinist you....

I asked him and he said he has no problem with you....or the sermons you preach....or when you preach them! As long as he doesn't have to hear them. I say Amen to that!

Really? or you're just making it up?

I'd be surprised the man would give you the time of day. He's got HAC now. I'm see an ambitious man that left a congregation of over thousand for bigger and better things.

Would you have taken the job at HAC?

Would it have been based on the "will of God" for your life..... or your own desire to succeed?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]You've seen me be pretty hard on ideas, not people.

Not all the time. [/quote]

Yes. All the time.

It's one of the things I am very aware of.

[quote author=christundivided]You have to admit that ideas are intricately tied to individuals.[/quote]

No...people in intricately tied to ideas.

[quote author=christundivided]For as he thinketh in his heart, so is he:[/quote]

Are you saying I shouldn't let wicked people take me to dinner?

 

[Ransom]

I've never compared him to Hitler... "Ransom"....

Good for you! I'll bet Mommy is proud of her special guy.

 

[christundivided]

Yes. All the time.

It's one of the things I am very aware of.

Sure. You might want an external source to keep you in check....

No...people in intricately tied to ideas.

How about intricately intertwined?

Are you saying I shouldn't let wicked people take me to dinner?

Nope!

 

[christundivided]

I've never compared him to Hitler... "Ransom"....

Good for you! I'll bet Mommy is proud of her special guy.

Maybe. Then again I don't particular believe those in heaven have any interaction with the things of this life anymore!

How does your mommy feel about you?

 

[prophet]

I Thess. 4:13 I would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Which part of 'sorrow not' can't you comprehend?

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I'm glad you mentioned that. Finally someone who actually will come out and say Christians shouldn't have sorrow when their loved ones die. Thanks for being honest. Everyone else's just wouldn't have the guts to admit they believe such.

What part of "as others who have no hope" don't you understand?

The verse does not say to not have sorrow. We are not to sorrow as those who have no hope.

Do you have sorrow for missing anyone that has gone on before you? Any at all? Those that grieve for loved ones are not giving up hope of the resurrection. They simply miss their loved one. Knowing you have the rest of your life to wait to see them again sure does make one's heart heavy?

Do you have empathy for such people?

The verse says 'sorrow not'.  Your understanding of the word 'sorrow' is lacking.  There is no comma after 'others'. Your English grammar skills are lacking.
The word 'even' ...what part of speech is it, in this verse?  In our modern conversational English, we would put the word 'do' at the end of this verse.
I've heard people teach that we are to sorrow...not as others who have no hope.  They were just showing their incompetence.  The grammar rules are in place to help our understanding, feel free to take advantage of your education, and employ them.

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[Ransom]

Maybe. Then again I don't particular believe those in heaven have any interaction with the things of this life anymore!

Good for you! I'll bet Mommy is proud of her little man.

 

[Sherryh]

Am I the only one getting a headache reading thread? LOL!

 

[BALAAM]

Am I the only one getting a headache reading thread? LOL!

I am getting some pain, but it is not in my head. (if you know what I mean)

 

[christundivided]

I Thess. 4:13 I would not have you ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope.
Which part of 'sorrow not' can't you comprehend?

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I'm glad you mentioned that. Finally someone who actually will come out and say Christians shouldn't have sorrow when their loved ones die. Thanks for being honest. Everyone else's just wouldn't have the guts to admit they believe such.

What part of "as others who have no hope" don't you understand?

The verse does not say to not have sorrow. We are not to sorrow as those who have no hope.

Do you have sorrow for missing anyone that has gone on before you? Any at all? Those that grieve for loved ones are not giving up hope of the resurrection. They simply miss their loved one. Knowing you have the rest of your life to wait to see them again sure does make one's heart heavy?

Do you have empathy for such people?

The verse says 'sorrow not'.  Your understanding of the word 'sorrow' is lacking.  There is no comma after 'others'. Your English grammar skills are lacking.
The word 'even' ...what part of speech is it, in this verse?  In our modern conversational English, we would put the word 'do' at the end of this verse.
I've heard people teach that we are to sorrow...not as others who have no hope.  They were just showing their incompetence.  The grammar rules are in place to help our understanding, feel free to take advantage of your education, and employ them.

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You're another one of those idiots that believe the KJV is inspired down to the very comma marks......

You have no idea about what you're talking about. The underlying text have no commas. If you knew how to study Biblical Greek..... you would know the text teaches no such thing.

Besides...... you obviously don't understand what you wrote. Do you remember when Paul said he had continuing SORROW for Isreal. If what you say is true, the "commas" would indicated we shoud NEVER have any sorrow. I bet you'd you would chastise Paul for having sorrow because of you're go old King Jimmie.

 

[christundivided]

Am I the only one getting a headache reading thread? LOL!

I am getting some pain, but it is not in my head. (if you know what I mean)

Are talking about you're heart? Go to Jesus about it.

 

[christundivided]

Maybe. Then again I don't particular believe those in heaven have any interaction with the things of this life anymore!

Good for you! I'll bet Mommy is proud of her little man.

Your record is stuck. Have seen a doctor for that stutter? or are you just a one hit wonder?

 

[rsc2a]

Yes. All the time.

It's one of the things I am very aware of.

Sure. You might want an external source to keep you in check....

Do you have any particular posts I've made as examples?

[quote author=christundivided]

No...people in intricately tied to ideas.

How about intricately intertwined? [/quote]

Yes, but ideas are non-sentient constructs defined and then chosen by people and have no value other than what the concepts they convey. Therefore, ideas cannot tie themselves to people.

People are sentient creatures formed in the image of the living God, beloved by Him and worthy of honor as such. People tie themselves to ideas to define who they are but can change those ties. Furthermore, the value of a person is not dependent on which ideas he chooses to tie to himself.

As a result, you've seen me be pretty hard on ideas, not people.

[quote author=christundivided]

Are you saying I shouldn't let wicked people take me to dinner?

Nope![/quote]

Strange that you would quote a random piece of Scripture then...

 

[Sherryh]

Am I the only one getting a headache reading thread? LOL!

I am getting some pain, but it is not in my head. (if you know what I mean)

Are talking about you're heart? Go to Jesus about it.

Lighten up christundivided you need to laugh more..........

 

[christundivided]

Am I the only one getting a headache reading thread? LOL!

I am getting some pain, but it is not in my head. (if you know what I mean)

Are talking about you're heart? Go to Jesus about it.

Lighten up christundivided you need to laugh more..........

Thanks. I do try to laugh as much as possible. I appreciate your kindness.

 

[christundivided]

Yes, but ideas are non-sentient constructs defined and then chosen by people and have no value other than what the concepts they convey. Therefore, ideas cannot tie themselves to people.

People are sentient creatures formed in the image of the living God, beloved by Him and worthy of honor as such. People tie themselves to ideas to define who they are but can change those ties. Furthermore, the value of a person is not dependent on which ideas he chooses to tie to himself.

Adam and Eve was formed in the image of God. Yet, they fell. We receive that tainted image. Not the EXACT image in which Adam/Eve was formed.

Not to labor the point.... but I think you've really gone off the deep end here. There are many "Scriputres" that talk about how mankind acts according to what's in their heart. Most/many people take their beliefs to "heart". They are an intricate part of them. That is why it is so difficult to separate people from what they believe. Good or bad.

Also, there are many things that God hates. Some of those "things" are beliefs. He hates "false" doctrine because they "consume" people. They change them and they become what they believe.

I believe you have worthy ideal in trying to separate the "person" from what they "believe" and I agree to a point. Yet, there are those who have been consumed by false beliefs to the point they have totally corrupted themselves.

Strange that you would quote a random piece of Scripture then...

It had to do with a man being as he thinks in his heart.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]Adam and Eve was formed in the image of God. Yet, they fell. We receive that tainted image. Not the EXACT image in which Adam/Eve was formed. [/quote]

One does not become cancer when they get cancer. They are still intrinsically human. In the same way, we do not cease to be image bearers because we have sin. (See Gen 9:6.) To believe that humans are no longer human because they have a cancer is definitely a non-orthodox position.

[quote author=christundivided]Not to labor the point.... but I think you've really gone off the deep end here. There are many "Scriputres" that talk about how mankind acts according to what's in their heart. Most/many people take their beliefs to "heart". They are an intricate part of them. That is why it is so difficult to separate people from what they believe. Good or bad. [/quote]

Yet they can change those beliefs. The beliefs are not intrinsic to their personhood. Therefore, there is a distinct difference in attacking a person and attacking an idea.

[quote author=christundivided]Also, there are many things that God hates. Some of those "things" are beliefs. He hates "false" doctrine because they "consume" people. They change them and they become what they believe. [/quote]

People do not become what they believe (except for in a poetic sense). Beliefs are intangible concepts; people are tangible beings.

[quote author=christundivided]I believe you have worthy ideal in trying to separate the "person" from what they "believe" and I agree to a point. Yet, there are those who have been consumed by false beliefs to the point they have totally corrupted themselves. [/quote]

Yet they can still change because they are not intrinsically defined by an idea. If "person" and "idea" were synonymous, then to change one would be to change the other.

[quote author=christundivided]

Strange that you would quote a random piece of Scripture then...

It had to do with a man being as he thinks in his heart.[/quote]

Look at the context. It has to do with choosing dinner partners. 

 

[Frag]

Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:


CU is a complete moron!!!!


Amen.

FRAG!!!! We agree!!!!!!

I totally agree as well....now THAT will ruin Frag's...and BALAAM's...reputation in IFB circles......

Ahem! I am no longer in ifb circles.

Balaam and TarH agree.............with ME!!!! 


I immediately recant WHATEVER I said!!!!    

 

[Mathew Ward]

You see the silliness of such ideals. Yet, they are accepted as being true. A man gets praise for his choice. Which is a indirect approval of his "method" of dealing with the loss of a son. Its is a indirect method of setting a "standard". Don't pretend its nothing else.

You mean that IFBX'ers don't set direct standards and therefore have to use an indirect method for setting them?

 

[christundivided]

You see the silliness of such ideals. Yet, they are accepted as being true. A man gets praise for his choice. Which is a indirect approval of his "method" of dealing with the loss of a son. Its is a indirect method of setting a "standard". Don't pretend its nothing else.

You mean that IFBX'ers don't set direct standards and therefore have to use an indirect method for setting them?

Never said they didn't. Do you have one in mind? or are you just trying to make the point that both are somehow equally guilty?