FBCH calls another Jack . . .

[christundivided]

lol, I see that CU still hasn't learned the "better to be thought a fool" proverb yet. 



I don't know the context of the new pastor's return to the pulpit so shortly after his son's death, but as rsc2a said, people grieve in different ways.  On the other hand, if his quick return to the pulpit was somehow used to beat the sheep over the head so that they would emulate his "the show must go on at all costs" example when they were in dark times, then I would take exception with his motive and purpose.

I'm surprised and puzzled that his quick return to the pulpit would open him to criticism....from someone other than CU

I have known Pastors who preached at he funeral of their lost children and wives as well as in the next Sunday's services. It served as part of their grieving process! I've also known those who weren't able to function under similar circumstances. Not right or wrong....just different!

Want to give something besides your experience? Maybe a biblical example? Got any?

Do you still believe in Sola Scriptura?

I see you haven't dealt the fact that FBCH is using his quick return to the pulpit as a shining example of qualifications and character.

 

[christundivided]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

Pardon me if I judge your judgmentalism, but that is somewhat over the top.  You have no idea what was going on inside him, or of the Holy Spirit's influence in his decision-making.  All you know is the standard you would set for yourself, and that is the standard he is held to.  Wow!  Just wow!

christdivided and r2d2 aren't right as much as a stopped clock.

They have the same ignorant, judgemental attitude they claim to hate in the 'fundies'.....
And in Canada, John and Scott must be also known as Jack...eh?

Oh the irony...or hypocrisy as it's known in Canada!

and.....YOU'RE DISPLAYING WHAT EXACTLY?

Admit it. I have your "number" there Tarheel. I know it hurts but make sure you don't get TOO bothered by it. I'm sure if your son dies tonight, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, you'll show up for soul-winning tomorrow and drag your other children along.

If you can do THAT.... little old me shouldn't get you TOO upset.

Upset! Please!
And I'm showing that I know hypocrisy when I see it!
Your spiritual gifts are judgement and ignorance.....yo mama be proud, fo shizzle.....

I ask you again.. What are you displaying? Be honest????? Have you judged me?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I'm surprised and puzzled that his quick return to the pulpit would open him to criticism....from someone other than CU

I have known Pastors who preached at he funeral of their lost children and wives as well as in the next Sunday's services. It served as part of their grieving process! I've also known those who weren't able to function under similar circumstances. Not right or wrong....just different!

Want to give something besides your experience? Maybe a biblical example? Got any?

Do you still believe in Sola Scriptura?[/quote]

This is an absurd misapplication of sola Scriptura.

[quote author=christundivided]I see you haven't dealt the fact that FBCH is using his quick return to the pulpit as a shining example of qualifications and character.[/quote]

And if this is true, it's very poor teaching coming from the church.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I wasn't very encouraged when I read the weekend after his 17 year old son got killed in car wreck he preaches "God doesn't make any mistakes".....

Sounds like he was more concerned about putting forth what he considered a "proper imagine" than actually grieving for his son. I can tell you I couldn't do it. Not for a moment and it doesn't have anything to do with NOT believing God gets everything right. I can't understand the ego of some so called "men of God"..... and to even wear such a thing as a "badge of service"?????

I personally know a evangelist that's been preaching almost every week for more than 20 years and his son got killed in a truck accident. Even he didn't have the heart to "preach" the next sermon on his "list". Sometimes things just HURT. We are not super human. Its not about believing God. Its not about having FAITH. Sometimes you just have to let yourself grieve. Wounds often need TIME to heal. I'm SURE he is proud of himself for doing it.

Pardon me if I judge your judgmentalism, but that is somewhat over the top.  You have no idea what was going on inside him, or of the Holy Spirit's influence in his decision-making.  All you know is the standard you would set for yourself, and that is the standard he is held to.  Wow!  Just wow!

christdivided and r2d2 aren't right as much as a stopped clock.

They have the same ignorant, judgemental attitude they claim to hate in the 'fundies'.....
And in Canada, John and Scott must be also known as Jack...eh?

Oh the irony...or hypocrisy as it's known in Canada!

and.....YOU'RE DISPLAYING WHAT EXACTLY?

Admit it. I have your "number" there Tarheel. I know it hurts but make sure you don't get TOO bothered by it. I'm sure if your son dies tonight, BY THE GRACE OF GOD, you'll show up for soul-winning tomorrow and drag your other children along.

If you can do THAT.... little old me shouldn't get you TOO upset.

Upset! Please!
And I'm showing that I know hypocrisy when I see it!
Your spiritual gifts are judgement and ignorance.....yo mama be proud, fo shizzle.....

I ask you again.. What are you displaying? Be honest????? Have you judged me?

IF coming to the conclusion that you're ignorant and dont know what you're talking about is judging you, then 'yes' !

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I'm surprised and puzzled that his quick return to the pulpit would open him to criticism....from someone other than CU

I have known Pastors who preached at he funeral of their lost children and wives as well as in the next Sunday's services. It served as part of their grieving process! I've also known those who weren't able to function under similar circumstances. Not right or wrong....just different!

Want to give something besides your experience? Maybe a biblical example? Got any?

Do you still believe in Sola Scriptura?

This is an absurd misapplication of sola Scriptura.[/quote]

What do you mean? There is only one way to apply "Sola Scriptura". The "Scriptures" give us direction. Direction that restrains our own perception of "revelation". Don't tell me you have a revelation that is contrary to a "Scriptural example". This is exactly what "Sola Scriptura" means.

And if this is true, it's very poor teaching coming from the church.

Its true. Read the announcement. You can't take it any other way.

 

[christundivided]

I ask you again.. What are you displaying? Be honest????? Have you judged me?

IF coming to the conclusion that you're ignorant and dont know what you're talking about is judging you, then 'yes' !

Now explain the difference between "coming to a conclusion" and "judging someone"?

I know you can't defend yourself but this is getting a little ridiculous.

 

[Mathew Ward]

You must be a supporter.....

Do you know any bible examples? What did David do when his son Absalom died? What did Israel do when Moses died? Or when any good King of Israel died? Did any of them mourn? How long?

The man obviously wears it as a badge of honor. I mean how long has it been since it happened and he is still getting PRAISED for it. The "church" is even using it to show how "spiritual" the man is and to show how "qualified" he is for the position. Pitiful. Even if he did it for the "right reasons".... its shameful to "TRUMPET" such a thing.

Ezekiel 24:18  So I spake unto the people in the morning: and at even my wife died; and I did in the morning as I was commanded.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]

This is an absurd misapplication of sola Scriptura.

What do you mean? There is only one way to apply "Sola Scriptura".[/quote]

No. (At least not in this extremely limited/wrong way that you are doing it.)

[quote author=christundivided]The "Scriptures" give us direction. Direction that restrains our own perception of "revelation".[/quote]

In a sense, yes. In another, no.

You don't even really believe this.

[quote author=christundivided]Don't tell me you have a revelation that is contrary to a "Scriptural example".[/quote]

There are options other than "explicitly stated" and "contrary to".

[quote author=christundivided]This is exactly what "Sola Scriptura" means. [/quote]

No.

 

[christundivided]

You must be a supporter.....

Do you know any bible examples? What did David do when his son Absalom died? What did Israel do when Moses died? Or when any good King of Israel died? Did any of them mourn? How long?

The man obviously wears it as a badge of honor. I mean how long has it been since it happened and he is still getting PRAISED for it. The "church" is even using it to show how "spiritual" the man is and to show how "qualified" he is for the position. Pitiful. Even if he did it for the "right reasons".... its shameful to "TRUMPET" such a thing.

Ezekiel 24:18  So I spake unto the people in the morning: and at even my wife died; and I did in the morning as I was commanded.

Its amazing how people look for ANY verse they can find to justify their actions.

How about including the context?

Eze 24:14  I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord GOD

Even so, What Ezekial did caused the people to question WHY HE DID SUCH.

Eze 24:19  And the people said unto me, Wilt thou not tell us what these things are to us, that thou doest so?

You then question why I choose to question the actions of this man. What a parallel.

 

[christundivided]

rs2ca wrote.

In a sense, yes. In another, no.

You don't even really believe this.

Sure I believe this. In what "sense" would you deny a "Scriptural example" in favor of your own personal revelation?

There are options other than "explicitly stated" and "contrary to".

Such as.....??

 

[rsc2a]

rs2ca wrote.

In a sense, yes. In another, no.

You don't even really believe this.

Sure I believe this. In what "sense" would you deny a "Scriptural example" in favor of your own personal revelation?

Why do you have 66 books in your Biblical canon?

[quote author=christundivided]

There are options other than "explicitly stated" and "contrary to".

Such as.....??
[/quote]

"Not mentioned"

 

[christundivided]

rs2ca wrote.

In a sense, yes. In another, no.

You don't even really believe this.

Sure I believe this. In what "sense" would you deny a "Scriptural example" in favor of your own personal revelation?

Why do you have 66 books in your Biblical canon?

I don't. Why do you have 72?

"Not mentioned"

What have I said that's not mentioned?

 

[rsc2a]

rs2ca wrote.

In a sense, yes. In another, no.

You don't even really believe this.

Sure I believe this. In what "sense" would you deny a "Scriptural example" in favor of your own personal revelation?

Why do you have 66 books in your Biblical canon?

I don't. Why do you have 72?

I have 66.

What I would like for you to do is show me from Scripture why you have 66 books.

My point being that you appear to misunderstand the principle behind sola Scriptura since you cannot even do this small thing using your understanding of said sola.

[quote author=christundivided]

"Not mentioned"

What have I said that's not mentioned?[/quote]

You said that something is either Scripture or contrary to Scripture (as a defense of your absurd application of sola Scriptura.) There are other options.

 

[Mathew Ward]

Its amazing how people look for ANY verse they can find to justify their actions.

How about including the context?

Eze 24:14  I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord GOD

Even so, What Ezekial did caused the people to question WHY HE DID SUCH.

Eze 24:19  And the people said unto me, Wilt thou not tell us what these things are to us, that thou doest so?

You then question why I choose to question the actions of this man. What a parallel.

You asked for a Bible example.  I gave you one, nothing more nothing less.

The man's wife died and in the morning he wasn't mourning but did as he was commanded.

 

[christundivided]

rs2ca wrote.

In a sense, yes. In another, no.

You don't even really believe this.

Sure I believe this. In what "sense" would you deny a "Scriptural example" in favor of your own personal revelation?

Why do you have 66 books in your Biblical canon?

I don't. Why do you have 72?

I have 66.

What I would like for you to do is show me from Scripture why you have 66 books.

My point being that you appear to misunderstand the principle behind sola Scriptura since you cannot even do this small thing using your understanding of said sola.

Never said I could. This doesn't change "Sola Scriptura". Regardless if its 66 books or 72 books or whatever. Scripture is Scripture. For example, I am sure we can agree the Gospel of John is "Scritpure". The Gospel of John teaches us about the very nature of God. His love. His character. His divine essence.

You're not going to say you have a "direction" or "divine revelation" that is contrary to what is written in said "Scripture". Just because we may disagree on the totality of what books define the canon..... doesn't change "Sola Scriptura".

 

[christundivided]

Its amazing how people look for ANY verse they can find to justify their actions.

How about including the context?

Eze 24:14  I the LORD have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent; according to thy ways, and according to thy doings, shall they judge thee, saith the Lord GOD

Even so, What Ezekial did caused the people to question WHY HE DID SUCH.

Eze 24:19  And the people said unto me, Wilt thou not tell us what these things are to us, that thou doest so?

You then question why I choose to question the actions of this man. What a parallel.

You asked for a Bible example.  I gave you one, nothing more nothing less.

The man's wife died and in the morning he wasn't mourning but did as he was commanded.

So you're going to follow this "Bible example" for yourself, if your son dies? Or are you going to recognize the "context" of why it was written?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I ask you again.. What are you displaying? Be honest????? Have you judged me?

IF coming to the conclusion that you're ignorant and dont know what you're talking about is judging you, then 'yes' !

Now explain the difference between "coming to a conclusion" and "judging someone"?

I know you can't defend yourself but this is getting a little ridiculous.

An apology is due:

I'm sorry you're hypocritical and judgmental and have no idea what you're talking about!
I feel better!

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]What I would like for you to do is show me from Scripture why you have 66 books.

My point being that you appear to misunderstand the principle behind sola Scriptura since you cannot even do this small thing using your understanding of said sola.

Never said I could. This doesn't change "Sola Scriptura". Regardless if its 66 books or 72 books or whatever. Scripture is Scripture. For example, I am sure we can agree the Gospel of John is "Scritpure". The Gospel of John teaches us about the very nature of God. His love. His character. His divine essence.

You're not going to say you have a "direction" or "divine revelation" that is contrary to what is written in said "Scripture". Just because we may disagree on the totality of what books define the canon..... doesn't change "Sola Scriptura".[/quote]

What your comments (strongly) implied was that if something isn't explicitly laid out in Scripture, then it is contrary to Scripture. That's why you are using a "show me a Scriptural example or it's not valid" approach.

As I stated from the beginning, this is not what sola Scriptura teaches. I used the example of the canon to show why your position isn't even logical.

 

[christundivided]

I ask you again.. What are you displaying? Be honest????? Have you judged me?

IF coming to the conclusion that you're ignorant and dont know what you're talking about is judging you, then 'yes' !

Now explain the difference between "coming to a conclusion" and "judging someone"?

I know you can't defend yourself but this is getting a little ridiculous.

An apology is due:

I'm sorry you're hypocritical and  judgmental and have no idea what he's talking about!
I feel better!

I'm glad you feel better.

You know what I'm getting at. You're well aware of it. You're not as dumb as you let on some times. and I mean that in the nicest possible way..... 8)

 

[Mathew Ward]

So you're going to follow this "Bible example" for yourself, if your son dies? Or are you going to recognize the "context" of why it was written?

Since that example doesn't fit your conclusions about how folks are to mourn...

2 Samuel 12:15-23  And Nathan departed unto his house. And the LORD struck the child that Uriah's wife bare unto David, and it was very sick. David therefore besought God for the child; and David fasted, and went in, and lay all night upon the earth. And the elders of his house arose, and went to him, to raise him up from the earth: but he would not, neither did he eat bread with them. And it came to pass on the seventh day, that the child died. And the servants of David feared to tell him that the child was dead: for they said, Behold, while the child was yet alive, we spake unto him, and he would not hearken unto our voice: how will he then vex himself, if we tell him that the child is dead? But when David saw that his servants whispered, David perceived that the child was dead: therefore David said unto his servants, Is the child dead? And they said, He is dead. Then David arose from the earth, and washed, and anointed himself, and changed his apparel, and came into the house of the LORD, and worshipped: then he came to his own house; and when he required, they set bread before him, and he did eat. Then said his servants unto him, What thing is this that thou hast done? thou didst fast and weep for the child, while it was alive; but when the child was dead, thou didst rise and eat bread. And he said, While the child was yet alive, I fasted and wept: for I said, Who can tell whether GOD will be gracious to me, that the child may live? But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.