Let’s hope you can stay out of the wheelchair for a few more years.Well, I don't know....I'll be 61 in 9 days...been on disability for 23 years, and have both a cane and also a walker. They're talking about possibly putting me in a wheelchair. My mother and biological father are both 80..Pops will be 81 at the end of May. They both already have their scooters! LOL I always loved scooter races!
or put another way..... could it be acceptable for a baptist or similarly believing christian to take part in the activities of a church considered pagan or idolatrous?..... ..could taking part ..or just simply being there to sit with other saved and like minded christians ...who are actual members.... be considered an opportunity for ministry?
to what extent should christian separation go?...... and should christians who believe in secondary separation - separation themselves even from that individual who sees no problem occasionally serving in this other church?........
I pretty much agree. The places I am/was familiar with that are called "bars" wouldn't easily allow for relationship-building and witnessing in a way that I am familiar with. I've been in college bars, worker bars, slum bars, etc, and the usual m.o. for the patrons there wasn't to build relationships with Christians, but rather to get drunk, hooked-up, and fight, in that order. That's not to say my anecdotal experience(s) covers the entire gamut of "bars", and to the extent that the purpose of the patrons is not to primarily do those three things listed above I'd say your chances may be a bit better at successfully "ministering".
I remember "sitting in" with a friend's band and playing at a food truck park in the north part of Houston. It was a gig that was earlier in the evening and definitely NOT a bar (although you could still buy a beer). Much more family oriented with kids running around playing all over the place. I was joking around with the lead singer saying "There are kids running around here so you have to watch your language!" and he quickly responded with "Oh **** that!"
I really loved playing there and if there more venues like this, I certainly wouldn't mind playing out on occasion. I also had a friend who owned a restaurant. He was a committed Christian and I played there on a monthly basis with another friend in an acoustic duo setting. Here, I had opportunity to play all of my original material including many of my Christian songs and I was free to talk about the Lord as well. I also didn't mind the fact that I was packing up and going home about the same time all of my "Bar Friends" were setting up and just getting started! I would gladly go out and play such gigs if they were to ever pop up again. I am sure that music will continue to play a big part in this gentleman's life and who knows what role it may play in his upcoming "ministry."
Taking another curve: What about the fabled "White Horse Tavern" in Cambridge, England? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Horse_Tavern,_Cambridge
What about it?
Read the Wikipedia article. It was supposedly a meeting place to discuss "Lutheran" ideas and center to the beginning of the English reformation. I learned about this on the "Refnet" online podcast.
I did. I’ve heard of it before. I’m just not sure the connection you’re making with bars in the 21st century.
Just an interesting observation that taverns have often been part of pivotal events in human history - including the American Revolution. Also interesting how such a "House of Ill Repute" was used by God to spark the reformation in Europe! Could you imagine discussing Lutheran doctrine over a mug of ale? Also interesting to note that most Lut'rans and other "Reformed" folk are not teetotalers! That ought to get a few Babtists knickers in a knot!
Most of that went sailing right over my head.I like to golf. Golfing is notoriously a gambler's lair. I don't participate in that aspect of the game, and avoid the usual crowd at the nearby course who roll that way. Maybe I could join that "Bucket-ball" wagering cohort and start a ministry to cussing club-breakers who are addicted to the skins worse than Art Schlischter and Peter Edward Rose
Schlischter is a OSU Buckeye football quarterback legend who is about as notorious as it gets when it comes to gambling/vice (imprisoned because he can't quit being stupid/addicted to gambling). Rose was banned from baseball for life (at one time, still not allowed in the Hall of Fame) for betting on baseball. Golf is a hotbed of gambling. Booze and gambling can fall in the same category of controversial/debatable adiaphora, so I'm gonna go put a few bucks on my putting and preach the fire out of 'em!
Never heard of Schlischter. When you used Pete Rose's middle name, that one whiffed right past me.
Breaking 100 is a “good” score for me these days, but I only play a few times a year now. I play as much in a year as I used to play in a month!
i usually stayed in the room either next to or behind the stage.... most were a combination storage dressing room...... and my mom and other dancers would be there when taking a break - the rest of the time they were out on the stage or on the floor.... .. i usually had a good view of the stage and the poles... and sometimes part of the crowd... saw just about everything there was to see in a place like that - including some pretty brutal fights... . ...but i had coloring books and crayons...mcdonald toys... happy meals and snacks..... whatever i needed to stay busy and not get too bored or too hungry.... sometimes other dancers would make comments to my mom about me ... saying things like i can;t believe you bring your kid here.... she would just tell them to mind their own business.....
Thanks...I'm praying so.Let’s hope you can stay out of the wheelchair for a few more years.
My uncle is a member of the RCC...and my aunt, who used to be married to a youth minister (he lost that when he started cheating on her with a woman at work)...is now an attendee at the RCC. So, I know of two saved people who attend the RCC church in their area. Too many IFB/Militant types like to go overboard and condemn everyone and everything they don't agree with. Too bad for them...they're incorrect, and they drive people from Christ.