Country Star Leaving Music Industry for Seminary

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aleshanee said:
just wondering if the arguments claiming that it;s ok to perform music in a bar - and to consider it part of your ministry.... would play out in the kind of bars and night clubs my mom use to drag me into as child in california.. .:unsure:. ...some of them had live music on occasion... i even heard country music a few times... (at least i think it was country)... .. . . i also saw plenty of bikers in some of the bars..... and no, they weren;t the village people kind of bikers either - they were real ones .. ..i learned how to read the word "california" from seeing it on the lower backs of their jackets... and recognized that as where we lived... ....quite often i even saw people who later would show up at our house... ..

but what i never saw there in the first 9 years of my life was anybody presenting the gospel.... not by way of music... prayer.... regular coversation... or even a cross or slogan on their shirt.... ... maybe they did and i just didn;t speak or read enough english at the time to understand it.... ..but i did see quite a few fights from time to time.... lots of drug use.... tons of alcohol.....smoke so thick it got hard to see the far side of the rooms some time..... and things going on that most people ..if they saw it somewhere other than a place like that.. would tell them to take it to a room or a motel......

but i;m guessing the kinds of bars being discussed here are very different than those i know about?.... i never saw that kind so i really don;t know.... but i saw bikers mentioned and just wondered if they went to the kind of bars being discussed here too.... ❔ ❔ ❔
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I can only speak for myself, but nothing good ever came from me frequenting bars. Fortunately, I never developed an addiction to alcohol, and probably wouldn’t say I ever got fully drunk. What I can say though, is that alcohol would get me “loose enough” that I wasn’t always acting appropriately as a married man in those environments, and that was while wearing a ring (which women don’t really care about anyways).

If a Christian can sit in a bar and kick back shots while rock music is blaring and witness to the unsaved all at the same time…well, they must be made of Christian Teflon, that’s all I can say.
 
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HukNduck said:
I can only speak for myself, but nothing good ever came from me patronizing bars. Fortunately, I never developed an addiction to alcohol, and probably wouldn’t say I ever got fully drunk. What I can say though, is that alcohol would get me “loose enough” that I wasn’t always acting appropriately as a married man in those environments, and that was while wearing a ring (which women don’t really care about anyways).

If a Christian can sit in a bar and kick back shots while rock music is blaring and witness to the unsaved all at the same time…well, they must be made of Christian Teflon, that’s all I can say.
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i came out of a very different world than most baptists.... and in many ways i;m still part of a different world than they are.... but nothing like the one i escaped from.... .. ... ..for me i have no problem understanding why this musician would feel he needs to get away from playing music in bars in order to train for the ministry.... or even just to live a christian life..... ...the bars and night clubs my mom and also natural sister worked in were places that any saved person would immediately want to be far away from... ..there was no way for a christian to keep a foot in both worlds with that... my sister learned that the hard way.. .. but did not survive the lesson.... ....

however... that doesn;t mean people embedded in those worlds and lifestyles can;t be ministered to and presented with the gospel - you just don;t go into their lair to do it... it would be like walking into the den of a pack of wolves looking for one to tame.... ...better to find them when they are away from that place and away from the pack.... ... and without all the residue of the bar and night club still clinging to you.... ... but that;s just me and my opinions....... ;)
 
aleshanee said:
the bars and night clubs my mom and also natural sister worked in were places that any saved person would immediately want to be far away from... ..there was no way for a christian to keep a foot in both worlds with that
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That’s really the key statement in my opinion. I’d think if a person is condoning and desiring to be in certain environments that are antithetical to Christ, I’d question whether that individual is truly a follower of Christ.

No one will ever convince me that sitting in a bar and kicking back shots of Jagermeister is a fantastic opportunity for ministry and showing “neighborly love.” (Now, y’all have fun applying your little sad emojis and continuing to defend such hypocrisy). 😉
 
This poor guy pictured after just another day of “soul winning” for Christ at the local watering hole 🙄1682165042498.jpeg
 
HukNduck said:
That’s really the key statement in my opinion. I’d think if a person is condoning and desiring to be in certain environments that are antithetical to Christ, I’d question whether that individual is truly a follower of Christ.

No one will ever convince me that sitting in a bar and kicking back shots of Jagermeister is a fantastic opportunity for ministry and showing “neighborly love.” (Now, y’all have fun applying your little sad emojis and continuing to defend such hypocrisy). 😉
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Now you are making up things.

Does everyone who ever goes into a bar sit there and kick back shots of Jagermeister?
 
voicecrying said:
Now you are making up things.

Does everyone who ever goes into a bar sit there and kick back shots of Jagermeister?
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Saw it all the time. Although you would usually have some sort of "Chaser" to go with that shot of Jaeger because the stuff tastes just like Vicks Formula 44D! Couldn't imagine anyone "pounding" them just for the taste!

No telling what someone is going through that is driving them to drinking. Could be going through a divorce or breakup, death of a loved one, loss of a job, or whatever. Anyone at a bar "Pounding" back shots of whatever will likely not be approachable to "witness" although if you actually KNOW this person, you may be able to be a good "listener" (if they want to talk) and from there, be a good friend.
 
HukNduck said:
Of course not everyone, but plenty do.
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I was in a bar last night. Maybe 125 people. I didn't see anyone putting away shot after shot. Didn't even see a single drunk person - and I stayed until the band was done. Even in the group of about 15 20-somethings celebrating 2 of them turning 25, I didn't see them putting away shots.
 
Baptist Renegade said:
No telling what someone is going through that is driving them to drinking. Could be going through a divorce or breakup, death of a loved one, loss of a job, or whatever. Anyone at a bar "Pounding" back shots of whatever will likely not be approachable to "witness" although if you actually KNOW this person, you may be able to be a good "listener" (if they want to talk) and from there, be a good friend.
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A few years back, I saw a woman sitting on the back patio crying. She did have quite a bit to drink. I approached her and got her to open up. We've been good friends since.

Ministry is so much more than preaching the gospel.
 
HukNduck said:
That’s really the key statement in my opinion. I’d think if a person is condoning and desiring to be in certain environments that are antithetical to Christ, I’d question whether that individual is truly a follower of Christ.

No one will ever convince me that sitting in a bar and kicking back shots of Jagermeister is a fantastic opportunity for ministry and showing “neighborly love.” (Now, y’all have fun applying your little sad emojis and continuing to defend such hypocrisy). 😉
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Who says they're kicking back shots of anything????? That's just what you'd like to think they're doing. Hmmm...seems like some want to put the cart before the horse and make ASSumptions and situations that might not actually be. Jesus ate with publicans and sinners...guess that knocks him out of being holy, hmmmm????
 
AverageJoe said:
ASSumptions and situations that might not actually be. Jesus ate with publicans and sinners...guess that knocks him out of being holy, hmmmm????
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That’s cute how you like to capitalize to get your point across. Anyway, yeah, Jesus was eating with the sinners, he wasn’t knocking back shots of Jack Daniels.
 
HukNduck said:
That’s cute how you like to capitalize to get your point across. Anyway, yeah, Jesus was eating with the sinners, he wasn’t knocking back shots of Jack Daniels.
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And again...your ideology of what a person is doing. I see you side-stepped that the first time.....Guess, that's become your modus operandi, though. Seems like it, Huk. Just an observation, not an accusation. You might just be having an "off" day.
 
AverageJoe said:
And again...your ideology of what a person is doing. I see you side-stepped that the first time.....Guess, that's become your modus operandi, though. Seems like it, Huk. Just an observation, not an accusation. You might just be having an "off" day.
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No, I did understand what you were saying. I think standing outside a bar (even a strip club) and witnessing to the lost is very admirable.
 
Independent Baptists have a well-known history of practicing some form of (cultural) separation, including alcohol and the bar circuit but that doesn't appear to be his motive in this case. I don't know what variety of Baptist he is, but being from Austin Tx he is probably Suthren Babtiss, lol. He is working on a masters from SBTS in Louisville, a pretty conservative southern baptist seminary (of Al Mohler fame), so he may align with the abstentionist position, but it seems his reasoning has more to do with focusing on living a life of humility and service rather than separation, as shown by most of his public comments about avoiding the pitfalls of fame ("deny himself and follow me"). Regardless of which one is his motive, good on him for wanting Christ to increase and him to decrease.
 
voicecrying said:
I was in a bar last night. Maybe 125 people. I didn't see anyone putting away shot after shot. Didn't even see a single drunk person - and I stayed until the band was done. Even in the group of about 15 20-somethings celebrating 2 of them turning 25, I didn't see them putting away shots.
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Cool. And of those 125 people you saw at the bar last night, how many would you estimate you shared the gospel with?
 
ALAYMAN said:
Independent Baptists have a well-known history of practicing some form of (cultural) separation, including alcohol and the bar circuit but that doesn't appear to be his motive in this case. I don't know what variety of Baptist he is, but being from Austin Tx he is probably Suthren Babtiss, lol.
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He appears to be SBC. The crux of the matter is that he wanted to be in the ministry, and instead of being counseled and encouraged to pursue that calling, he was instead being encouraged by some ministers to continue his former lifestyle and career as a country music singer as his “ministry.”

I don’t happen to believe that singing non-Christian music in bars constitutes “ministry,” nor do I believe sitting in a bar and ordering rounds of drinks qualifies as ministry. I actually believe both are antithetical to that ministerial purpose. I’m not saying it’s not possible to find an opportunity to share your testimony in such a setting, but I certainly never heard the Gospel shared inside a bar, nor did I ever do so myself. All that being said, if a Christian has a clear conscience and truly believes he can go into bars and order drinks and effectively witness for Christ, then that’s between him and God. It definitely wouldn’t be something I’d do, and my experiences in bars resulted in shameful behavior, not God glorifying.
 
HukNduck said:
Cool. And of those 125 people you saw at the bar last night, how many would you estimate you shared the gospel with?
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On that exact night: 0. Of the people that were there that I've encountered previously: many.

You seem to be stuck in the mindset that no encounter matters if the gospel is not preached during that encounter. Some plant, some water, some prepare the soil. Some do all 3 at different points in time.
 
voicecrying said:
On that exact night: 0. Of the people that were there that I've encountered previously: many.

You seem to be stuck in the mindset that no encounter matters if the gospel is not preached during that encounter. Some plant, some water, some prepare the soil. Some do all 3 at different points in time.
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If you can honestly do that, I have no objection. That’s between you and God. As for me, God made it clear in my mind I should not be in bars and I quit drinking a few years ago.
 
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