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qwerty said:
I'd say they made a big mistake. Rick Scott should appoint someone to look into this.
I'd say they made a big mistake. Rick Scott should appoint someone to look into this.
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Creepy-ass-cracker is not guilty!
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qwerty said:
FIFY
I have a few thoughts on this case. Many pages ago, I said this to graceandtruth:
Graceandtruth, for what it's worth, I hear you loud and clear. As a white female, I cannot understand the nuances of what it is to be a black male. Thankfully, my parents did not raise me to be racist, but I realize that only means that I am not overtly racist. It does not mean that I don't still harbor some racist attitudes, perhaps even without recognizing it. But you, because of your experience, can see clearly in me what I don't recognize in myself.
As for your statement that a black male will stand his ground and not trust the police, I understand that. Not simply because of your statement, though. I only need to look at my own teenage son. But it did take your statement to bring Trayvon's actions into clearer focus for me. Because, even though I know my son would probably fight rather than flee and I know without a doubt that he does not trust the police, I did not apply that knowledge into the events of that night.
So, how do I move forward? Well, I promise you that I will strive to really listen to what you have to say on this subject. Further, I pray that Holy Spirit will reveal those attitudes within me that do not show the love of Christ.
As I have watched this case move through the court system, some points have become more clear and focused in my mind. Both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin made mistakes that night. If either of them had changed even a small detail in their actions, there might not have been a deadly confrontation.
If George Zimmerman had understood Trayvon Martin’s point of view, he might have called out to Mr. Martin, from a distance, and asked him if he was lost or needed assistance. If Trayvon Martin had understood George Zimmerman’s point of view, he might have informed Mr. Zimmerman that he was the guest of a resident. Either of these small details might have diffused the entire situation.
But, as it so often happens, they both acted within their own life experience. They did not consider the cultural differences/mindsets of the other…and tragedy resulted.
As I have watched this case unfold, I do believe that Trayvon Martin threw the first punch and bested George Zimmerman in the scuffle that ensued. I do believe that George Zimmerman feared for his life when he shot Trayvon Martin…
And I also believe that Trayvon Martin was a child…in mindset/life experience. Physically though, he was as strong as an adult. I believe this because I have a 19-year old son. Even at this age, my son is not fully grown mentally, but he is certainly physically powerful.
As I pondered “fight or flightâ€, it occurred to me that I have been teaching my child “polite, flight, then fightâ€. Be polite, walk away if you can, but defend yourself if you must. If either Mr. Zimmerman or Mr. Martin had been polite, there might have been no fight.
I find no joy in George Zimmerman’s acquittal, even though I believe it to be a just verdict under the circumstances. I grieve for Trayvon Martin’s parents, family and loved ones.
And I grieve for many of us Christians here on this forum. There has been a difference of opinion here regarding the facts of this case. OK. But some of us have been particularly ugly in our disagreement. That ugliness grieves me.
Graceandtruth, for what it's worth, I hear you loud and clear. As a white female, I cannot understand the nuances of what it is to be a black male. Thankfully, my parents did not raise me to be racist, but I realize that only means that I am not overtly racist. It does not mean that I don't still harbor some racist attitudes, perhaps even without recognizing it. But you, because of your experience, can see clearly in me what I don't recognize in myself.
As for your statement that a black male will stand his ground and not trust the police, I understand that. Not simply because of your statement, though. I only need to look at my own teenage son. But it did take your statement to bring Trayvon's actions into clearer focus for me. Because, even though I know my son would probably fight rather than flee and I know without a doubt that he does not trust the police, I did not apply that knowledge into the events of that night.
So, how do I move forward? Well, I promise you that I will strive to really listen to what you have to say on this subject. Further, I pray that Holy Spirit will reveal those attitudes within me that do not show the love of Christ.
As I have watched this case move through the court system, some points have become more clear and focused in my mind. Both George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin made mistakes that night. If either of them had changed even a small detail in their actions, there might not have been a deadly confrontation.
If George Zimmerman had understood Trayvon Martin’s point of view, he might have called out to Mr. Martin, from a distance, and asked him if he was lost or needed assistance. If Trayvon Martin had understood George Zimmerman’s point of view, he might have informed Mr. Zimmerman that he was the guest of a resident. Either of these small details might have diffused the entire situation.
But, as it so often happens, they both acted within their own life experience. They did not consider the cultural differences/mindsets of the other…and tragedy resulted.
As I have watched this case unfold, I do believe that Trayvon Martin threw the first punch and bested George Zimmerman in the scuffle that ensued. I do believe that George Zimmerman feared for his life when he shot Trayvon Martin…
And I also believe that Trayvon Martin was a child…in mindset/life experience. Physically though, he was as strong as an adult. I believe this because I have a 19-year old son. Even at this age, my son is not fully grown mentally, but he is certainly physically powerful.
As I pondered “fight or flightâ€, it occurred to me that I have been teaching my child “polite, flight, then fightâ€. Be polite, walk away if you can, but defend yourself if you must. If either Mr. Zimmerman or Mr. Martin had been polite, there might have been no fight.
I find no joy in George Zimmerman’s acquittal, even though I believe it to be a just verdict under the circumstances. I grieve for Trayvon Martin’s parents, family and loved ones.
And I grieve for many of us Christians here on this forum. There has been a difference of opinion here regarding the facts of this case. OK. But some of us have been particularly ugly in our disagreement. That ugliness grieves me.
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IF we are talking about a civil suit against GZ, it has to go to a grand jury if I am not mistaken. In this criminal case against him, the state bypassed going to the grand jury and just charged him. I wonder why?
4everfsu said:
They are usually used in other states to see if there is enough evidence to move forward with a case, and in Florida, they are used only for capital cases (except for the state and federal grand jury).
A preliminary hearing is more common instead of a going to the grand jury.
It will be the similar process for the civil case, except a petit jury will be used.
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It seems to me they'd have to allow into evidence all the past things Zimmerman has done, which would make it impossible to paint Zimmerman as a racist. But with Holder, you never know. He could fix anything to go his way.
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Agent P said:
That's sort of like "Press 1 for English", isn't it?
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qwerty said:
Corey says they decided not to bring the case up to a grand jury because they wanted to put forward all the evidence
http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmerman-prosecutor-prayed-testify/story?id=19666346&page=2#.UeQN522fjIU
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4everfsu said:
How about Black-Non-Jamaican?
4everfsu said:
Corey avoided the grand jury because she knew that it would not go anywhere as a capital crime (which requires a grand jury in Florida) so they somehow finagled man 2 which does not need to go before a grand jury. If it went before a grand jury, they (the jury) can compel documents and evidence that Corey would not want made available to the public.
This process is entirely political, and after watching the circus act in court performed by the judge, and the prosecutor retrying the case in their news conference after the verdict, it should even be more apparent.
The officers on the scene knew that it there were no laws broken, the prosecutor (DA) knew there were no laws broken. Only after the Governor sought out a special prosecutor (Corey) bowing to political and public pressure, did he they go full steam ahead with the illegal prosecution.
Corey is a pawn looking to get ahead like all good politicians do just responding to the strings being pulled by Governor Scott, who no doubt was being directed by the puppet masters in Washington.
The federal government paid for protests, the prosecutor hid evidence (then fired the whistle blower), the judge was doing everything in her power to limit the defense and get a conviction by a lesser charge, and the legal system still worked as the jury came back not guilty.
Now the media is trying to rekindle the fires of racism after the FBI concluded after interviewing over 30 witnesses there was not an iota of racism involved. Nancy Grace, the buffoons on MSNBC (Led by Al Sharpton) have egg on their face, so now they must put aside the American legal system and create their own chaos with their falsehoods of racism.
Holder and Obama have a plan, and they will continue to work that plan at all costs.
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qwerty said:
I agree with everything you said. But Holder may have a problem going forward. The FBI has 3 dozens witnesses that claims GZ is not a racist.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/07/15/as-justice-pursues-civil-rights-case-against-zimmerman-fbi-documents-show-no/
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/07/12/155918/more-evidence-released-in-trayvon.html#.UeQwP22fjIV
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It is a grave error when we make the mistake of capitulating our justice system to the changing moods of political whim. This trial is further evidence of the socialistification of our nation where we are becoming like those oppressive nations that charge and prosecute based on political expediency or popular sentiment resulting from propaganda rather than consistent facts in law.
The Bible is filled with condemnations of injustice, and skewed judgments showing partiality. As a nation, we should be very wary of how our government is now selectively and politically pursuing some charges while ignoring others.
The Bible is filled with condemnations of injustice, and skewed judgments showing partiality. As a nation, we should be very wary of how our government is now selectively and politically pursuing some charges while ignoring others.
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Isn't it telling that in over 5500 views and 267 posts that I cannot remember anyone asking for prayer for the Martin Family. There son has been taken from them and "christians" are just concerned that the man who did it can go on with life as if nothing has happened. After the verdict and the Martin Family was robbed of their son again as he was dehumanized and devalued there was no mention of prayer for this family. No show of compassion. No show of sympathy. Only cries for gz to be able to go on with life as if nothing happened. Why does this family not deserve any compassion, sympathy, or grace. Jesus taught us that we should even pray for our enemies but it appears that the Martin family will not be afforded that courtesy here.
Did anyone say they are praying for the Zimmerman family either ?
You are trying to make an argument with no point, create chaos where there is none, insight racial bias when there isn't.
You are trying to make an argument with no point, create chaos where there is none, insight racial bias when there isn't.