The Longest Thread in the History of the FFF....

based on the same right any other country has to exist ... and to occupy/control a land that did not originally belong to them...... can you not think of another such country?.... .. (the one under your feet, maybe?)...:sneaky:
The Jews colonized a new world in 1948?

I don't think so.
 
The Jews colonized a new world in 1948?

I don't think so.
you think europeans colonized a "new world" 500 years ago?........ what was "new" to them was not new to the people already living there .. .. americans claim ownership of the land they control by "right of conquest".. israel claims theirs by citing scriptures they say applied to their ancestors and to them by extension.... but the bottom line is both took and colonized land already being occupied and belonging to someone else..... and both had help from other countries in their efforts to establish themselves on those lands.... ....... the united states and israel are linked by more than just common political views... .. they are also linked by similar beginnings... ..
 
you think europeans colonized a "new world" 500 years ago?........ what was "new" to them was not new to the people already living there .. .. americans claim ownership of the land they control by "right of conquest".. israel claims theirs by citing scriptures they say applied to their ancestors and to them by extension.... but the bottom line is both took and colonized land already being occupied and belonging to someone else..... and both had help from other countries in their efforts to establish themselves on those lands.... ....... the united states and israel are linked by more than just common political views... .. they are also linked by similar beginnings... ..
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Stahp. Your eschatology is Premillennial Dispensationalism, and as such, you have a superstitious fear that God will smite you if you say anything against the Jews.

There is absolutely no parallel between the conquest of Canaan, the colonization of the Americas, the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the displacement of the Palestinians.

You, and everyone else, are basing the notion of "Israel's right to exist" on the misinterpretation of a covenant that has been fulfilled and nailed to the Cross, and a fallacious reading of the prophecy in Revelation.

That's what I'm getting at.
 
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Stahp. Your eschatology is Premillennial Dispensationalism, and as such, you have a superstitious fear that God will smite you if you say anything against the Jews.

There is absolutely no parallel between the conquest of Canaan, the colonization of the Americas, the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the displacement of the Palestinians.

You, and everyone else, are basing the notion of "Israel's right to exist" on the misinterpretation of a covenant that has been fulfilled and nailed to the Cross, and a fallacious reading of the prophecy in Revelation.

That's what I'm getting at.

i;ve told you before... .. i support israel because they are the best friend america... (the united states) ... has in that region..... and whether i agree or not with how the u.s. treated my ancestors and stole the country from them in past centuries ... america as it exists today.. (the united states).. is - none the less - my country.. ... and there is no going back.... ...

i have no "superstitious fear" where the "jews" are concerned... ...but you seem to have an unreasonable hatred for them... .... not everyone who is a citizen and resident of israel is a zionist..... and thankfully not everybody in chistendom is an anti-semite either... ...

so go "stahp" yourself - .....and stuff your lame attempts to draw "parallels" where you like them and "debunk" them where you don;t..... . what are you now?.. a world historian as well as a doctor and master of medicine?...... you;re nothing but a pretender and a blowhard.... most likely a school janitor somewhere imagining you are the great teacher as you mop the floors... .... you need to get over yourself.....
 
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Stahp. Your eschatology is Premillennial Dispensationalism, and as such, you have a superstitious fear that God will smite you if you say anything against the Jews.

There is absolutely no parallel between the conquest of Canaan, the colonization of the Americas, the breakup of the Ottoman Empire and the displacement of the Palestinians.

You, and everyone else, are basing the notion of "Israel's right to exist" on the misinterpretation of a covenant that has been fulfilled and nailed to the Cross, and a fallacious reading of the prophecy in Revelation.

That's what I'm getting at.
I am not a premillenial dispensationalist, and I support Israel, because they are the People of God who have been set aside for a time, and will be restored one day.

Romans 11
So I ask, did they stumble in order that they might fall? By no means! Rather, through their trespass salvation has come to the Gentiles, so as to make Israel jealous. Now if their trespass means riches for the world, and if their failure means riches for the Gentiles, how much more will their full inclusion mean!

Now I am speaking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch then as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry in order somehow to make my fellow Jews jealous, and thus save some of them. For if their rejection means the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance mean but life from the dead. If the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, so is the whole lump, and if the root is holy, so are the branches.

But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, although a wild olive shoot, were grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches. If you are, remember it is not you who support the root, but the root that supports you. Then you will say, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.” That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off. And even they, if they do not continue in their unbelief, will be grafted in, for God has the power to graft them in again. For if you were cut from what is by nature a wild olive tree, and grafted, contrary to nature, into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, the natural branches, be grafted back into their own olive tree.

Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,


“The Deliverer will come from Zion,
he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
“and this will be my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”
As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now receive mercy. For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

Oh, the depth of the riches and wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are his judgments and how inscrutable his ways!
"For who has known the mind of the Lord,
or who has been his counselor?”
“Or who has given a gift to him
that he might be repaid?”
For from him and through him and to him are all things. To him be glory forever. Amen
 
All countries, no matter how offensive, has a right to exist.
You're trying to appeal to natural rights, meaning that all nations have the same (conditional) right, derived from natural law, to exist. And that certainly isn't the argument in the case of Israel.

Their birth certainly wasn't natural, and their covenant with God was unlike His covenant with any other nation, even though He is the nations' God, too (Romans 3:29).

What happens to the rights derived from a covenant that has been fulfilled, and that is no longer in effect?
 
Lest you be wise in your own sight, I do not want you to be unaware of this mystery, brothers: a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,
That's right. Partial hardening...not temporary. The Elect of the Hebrews have received what Israel has sought for. Romans 11:7.

What is it that Israel sought for?

Does 'all Israel' mean the generations of Jews who have died in their unbelief?
 
Watch ol’ bandit run
my dad told us that movie changed truck drivers radio language for a long time.... ....after they saw that movie all the 10 code language and sillyness on the cb disappeared..... most truck drivers went back to using plain language on the radio... . he said when he quit that job and moved here mainland truck drivers were just starting to bring back a lot of the old stereotyped trucker jargon movies made infamous - plus adding a lot of obscenity that would have gotten the fcc down on them in the old days.... ... ..he always hated that as he was taught the military way of radio communications.....
 
my dad told us that movie changed truck drivers radio language for a long time.... ....after they saw that movie all the 10 code language and sillyness on the cb disappeared..... most truck drivers went back to using plain language on the radio... . he said when he quit that job and moved here mainland truck drivers were just starting to bring back a lot of the old stereotyped trucker jargon movies made infamous - plus adding a lot of obscenity that would have gotten the fcc down on them in the old days.... ... ..he always hated that as he was taught the military way of radio communications.....
C.W. McCall made CBs and 10 codes all the rage in 1975 with his hit, Convoy. Sales of CB radios boomed; they were no longer just a trucker's tool, they became a toy everyone wanted to play with. I'm sure that upset a lot of folks who had used them for legit purposes.

I remember some slang like "jaw jacker" or "air hog" that described people who couldn't put the mic down.
 
C.W. McCall made CBs and 10 codes all the rage in 1975 with his hit, Convoy. Sales of CB radios boomed; they were no longer just a trucker's tool, they became a toy everyone wanted to play with. I'm sure that upset a lot of folks who had used them for legit purposes.

I remember some slang like "jaw jacker" or "air hog" that described people who couldn't put the mic down.
i heard that song once when i was really young. .... couldn;t understand much of what he was saying.... but when i heard it again years later it made more sense....... ...... ... there are a few old trucker terms my dad still uses... .. he calls the major freeway or an interstate the "super slab"... ..refers to drivers who speed out ahead of traffic in areas where police use radar as "bear bait"..... some of it;s old truck driver terms and some is just old texas words and phrases... .. my sister knows how to sort out which is which.... .
 
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You're trying to appeal to natural rights, meaning that all nations have the same (conditional) right, derived from natural law, to exist. And that certainly isn't the argument in the case of Israel.

Their birth certainly wasn't natural, and their covenant with God was unlike His covenant with any other nation, even though He is the nations' God, too (Romans 3:29).

What happens to the rights derived from a covenant that has been fulfilled, and that is no longer in effect?
It was everlasting whether natural or not. Not all has been fulfilled for Israel, or for the world as a whole... still prophecy to be fulfilled.
 
It was everlasting whether natural or not. Not all has been fulfilled for Israel, or for the world as a whole... still prophecy to be fulfilled.
Now that we're not trying to mask our Zionism, let me ask you...

Has one jot or tittle passed from the law since the advent of Christ?
 
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