Should Christians confess their sins?

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]
Nothing wrong with repentance.  I think we change our minds which results in a change of action as we grow in Christ.

I have stated before in this discussion (it could be on the other forum) that we are told to confess our faults to one another.  Those who we have hurt we have a Biblical mandate to secure their forgiveness.  However with God He has assured us of His forgiveness to us at salvation, so I don't think you can use this example and apply it to God.

We agree on state and standing.
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I had never heard the perspective that I Jn was written to/for unbelievers.  Stand to Reason  (Greg Koukl) has written an article in agreement siding with your opinion in that regard, as have others.  Most of them concur with you that the fact that our sins have been already forgiven (past, present, and future) that we don't need to confess/agree/acknowledge our sin.  I agree that the basis that forensic justification provides for our righteous standing before a Holy and just God, but disagree that our relational standing does not need to submit to a continuing awareness and repentance for active sin in our lives. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Mathew Ward]
Nothing wrong with repentance.  I think we change our minds which results in a change of action as we grow in Christ.

I have stated before in this discussion (it could be on the other forum) that we are told to confess our faults to one another.  Those who we have hurt we have a Biblical mandate to secure their forgiveness.  However with God He has assured us of His forgiveness to us at salvation, so I don't think you can use this example and apply it to God.

We agree on state and standing.

I had never heard the perspective that I Jn was written to/for unbelievers.  Stand to Reason  (Greg Koukl) has written an article in agreement siding with your opinion in that regard, as have others.  Most of them concur with you that the fact that our sins have been already forgiven (past, present, and future) that we don't need to confess/agree/acknowledge our sin.  I agree that the basis that forensic justification provides for our righteous standing before a Holy and just God, but disagree that our relational standing does not need to submit to a continuing awareness and repentance for active sin in our lives.
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This belief is growing among the younger,missionals today.
It's a part of their everything's good so don't feel bad theology.
The same group, mostly, are re visiting homosexuality as a sin....or not a sin.

This is NOT where Mathew is coming from, I'm sure, but just a response to your post.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]

This belief is growing among the younger,missionals today.
It's a part of their everything's good so don't feel bad theology.
The same group, mostly, are re visiting homosexuality as a sin....or not a sin.

This is NOT where Mathew is coming from, I'm sure, but just a response to your post.
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There's a whole lot of therapeutic change afoot today, and not much of it theologically sound.  Too much Oprah and not enough Spurgeon. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]

This belief is growing among the younger,missionals today.
It's a part of their everything's good so don't feel bad theology.
The same group, mostly, are re visiting homosexuality as a sin....or not a sin.

This is NOT where Mathew is coming from, I'm sure, but just a response to your post.

There's a whole lot of therapeutic change afoot today, and not much of it theologically sound.  Too much Oprah and not enough Spurgeon. 
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I'm afraid you are correct....I listened to James MacDonald at a conference this week and he preached a powerful message from John 2.....and .....gasp.....challenged Christians, Pastors, to confess and forsake their sins......good for me that Vic and Matt had set me straight on this heresy....

Back to my point, MacDonald talked about the compromise and  license present in evangelicalism today, but he is the one who invited T D jakes to participate in the Elephant Room.....mixed messages are confusing the young skulls full of mush!

 

[Mathew Ward]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]

This belief is growing among the younger,missionals today.
It's a part of their everything's good so don't feel bad theology.
The same group, mostly, are re visiting homosexuality as a sin....or not a sin.

This is NOT where Mathew is coming from, I'm sure, but just a response to your post.

There's a whole lot of therapeutic change afoot today, and not much of it theologically sound.  Too much Oprah and not enough Spurgeon. 

I'm afraid you are correct....I listened to James MacDonald at a conference this week and he preached a powerful message from John 2.....and .....gasp.....challenged Christians, Pastors, to confess and forsake their sins......good for me that Vic and Matt had set me straight on this heresy....

Back to my point, MacDonald talked about the compromise and  license present in evangelicalism today, but he is the one who invited T D jakes to participate in the Elephant Room.....mixed messages are confusing the young skulls full of mush!
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I am sure he preached a wonderful sermon and read much into the text.  Maybe next year he could preach the same sermon and use... Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. (Jeremiah 6:16 KJV)

Where we can get back to the old paths and orthodoxy.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]

This belief is growing among the younger,missionals today.
It's a part of their everything's good so don't feel bad theology.
The same group, mostly, are re visiting homosexuality as a sin....or not a sin.

This is NOT where Mathew is coming from, I'm sure, but just a response to your post.

There's a whole lot of therapeutic change afoot today, and not much of it theologically sound.  Too much Oprah and not enough Spurgeon. 

I'm afraid you are correct....I listened to James MacDonald at a conference this week and he preached a powerful message from John 2.....and .....gasp.....challenged Christians, Pastors, to confess and forsake their sins......good for me that Vic and Matt had set me straight on this heresy....

Back to my point, MacDonald talked about the compromise and  license present in evangelicalism today, but he is the one who invited T D jakes to participate in the Elephant Room.....mixed messages are confusing the young skulls full of mush!

I am sure he preached a wonderful sermon and read much into the text.  Maybe next year he could preach the same sermon and use... Thus saith the Lord, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein. (Jeremiah 6:16 KJV)

Where we can get back to the old paths and orthodoxy.
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Riiiiiiiight.....John MacArthur and James MacDonald idiots.....Matt Ward and Vic.....Bibul Skolars!
Have I said Bwwwwwwwwwwaaaaaaaahhhhhh lately??

http://jamesmacdonald.com/

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I'm afraid you are correct....I listened to James MacDonald at a conference this week and he preached a powerful message from John 2.....and .....gasp.....challenged Christians, Pastors, to confess and forsake their sins......[/quote]

I used to listen to Walk Walk in the Word Macdonald , and even heard him once use the Fundy Catchall Sin-sniffer verse I Thes 5:22 ("abstain from the appearance of evil") to castigate people who flaunt their liberty regardless of the effects their behavior might have on the weaker brethren.  A real legalist that James is.

 

[Mathew Ward]

I think we should forsake our sins.  I think we should live by faith and believe that the flesh is crucified with Christ along with it's affections and lusts. I think we should be humble to God and be repentant when we sin.  I think our sin should bother us. 

But to ask God to forgive you again for a sin that He has already forgiven you of seems like it is crucifying Christ anew. 

 

[Mathew Ward]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I'm afraid you are correct....I listened to James MacDonald at a conference this week and he preached a powerful message from John 2.....and .....gasp.....challenged Christians, Pastors, to confess and forsake their sins......

I used to listen to Walk Walk in the Word Macdonald , and even heard him once use the Fundy Catchall Sin-sniffer verse I Thes 5:22 ("abstain from the appearance of evil") to castigate people who flaunt their liberty regardless of the effects their behavior might have on the weaker brethren.  A real legalist that James is.
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I have not heard anyone preach the Bible and say flaunt your liberty in that regard.

Let us not therefore judge one another any more: but judge this rather, that no man put a stumblingblock or an occasion to fall in his brother's way. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died. Let not then your good be evil spoken of: It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak. (Romans 14:13, 15, 16, 21 KJV)

But on the other side of the coin I have heard a host of legalist Baptist preachers preach KJV onlyism, pants on women are sinful and CCM is of the Devil.  Not to mention that certain words are wrong to say.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I'm afraid you are correct....I listened to James MacDonald at a conference this week and he preached a powerful message from John 2.....and .....gasp.....challenged Christians, Pastors, to confess and forsake their sins......

I used to listen to Walk Walk in the Word Macdonald , and even heard him once use the Fundy Catchall Sin-sniffer verse I Thes 5:22 ("abstain from the appearance of evil") to castigate people who flaunt their liberty regardless of the effects their behavior might have on the weaker brethren.  A real legalist that James is.
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I have heard him take on the young missionals more than once....but he also seems to be infected with the let's be relevant and non judgmental disease to the extreme from time to time.
He, like Matt, tries too hard sometimes to prove he is not a legalist!

And, FWIW, I don't think either of them are....