Satan's Emergent "Church" Movement - By Bryan Denlinger

[Izdaari]

I plan to eat an onion sandwich tonight just before bedtime.
Dreams, visions to follow.....

Are you dissing onion sammiches?  I happen to like them.  With mustard. f

I like a little ham and swiss on my onion sammiches. Ideally with Dijon mustard on black Russian rye. And the onion should be Vidalia or Walla Walla (when seasonally available).

 

[Izdaari]

Where in Scripture does it say the Bible is His final word, and there will be no more divine revelations? Because I've read the whole thing, and I missed that part.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]YES I made the statement...the statement is true.
WE....now, today have Gods complete revelation...it is contained in His Word...

"The heavens declare his righteousness..."

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made...."

The Scripture itself explicitly refutes the claim you keep making.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]... the 66 Books of the canon of Scripture. Any future revelation that adds to or contradicts that revelation is bogus![/quote]

I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture? If you are going to toe the line, you need to be consistent. (FTR: I hold to a 66-book canon, but defending the canon from a hard-line sola stance is absurd.)

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]How has God revealed Himself to you Extra Biblically?
have you had any dreams, visions, angels appearing to you?
What did they tell you?[/quote]

Sure...He reveals Himself to me all the time. He reveals Himself in the sacraments. He reveals Himself when I enjoy a good meal. He reveals Himself when I make love to my wife. He reveals Himself when I hug my children. He reveals Himself when I attend a wedding. He also reveals Himself when I attend a funeral. He reveals Himself when I admire a sunrise. Do you want me to keep going?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Huh means I have no idea what you said or meant.
As in huh....[/quote]

I meant that your critique of my analogy (Scripture / stop sign) consisted of "La la la la. I don't like that. I can't hear you" instead of actually making a point that could be considered a rebuttal.
[/quote]

No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam


Lost people, who know him not and have no relationship with Him do all of those wonderful, poetic things you mention....leaving now to chase my eyes...rolling down the street over your moronic logic.

The moon is full tonight....going out to howl and experience spiritual oneness with the cosmos.

Hooooooooooooooollllllllll!

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]YES I made the statement...the statement is true.
WE....now, today have Gods complete revelation...it is contained in His Word...

"The heavens declare his righteousness..."

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made...."

The Scripture itself explicitly refutes the claim you keep making.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]... the 66 Books of the canon of Scripture. Any future revelation that adds to or contradicts that revelation is bogus!

I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture? If you are going to toe the line, you need to be consistent. (FTR: I hold to a 66-book canon, but defending the canon from a hard-line sola stance is absurd.)

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]How has God revealed Himself to you Extra Biblically?
have you had any dreams, visions, angels appearing to you?
What did they tell you?[/quote]

Sure...He reveals Himself to me all the time. He reveals Himself in the sacraments. He reveals Himself when I enjoy a good meal. He reveals Himself when I make love to my wife. He reveals Himself when I hug my children. He reveals Himself when I attend a wedding. He also reveals Himself when I attend a funeral. He reveals Himself when I admire a sunrise. Do you want me to keep going?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Huh means I have no idea what you said or meant.
As in huh....[/quote]

I meant that your critique of my analogy (Scripture / stop sign) consisted of "La la la la. I don't like that. I can't hear you" instead of actually making a point that could be considered a rebuttal.
[/quote]

No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam


Lost people, who know him not and have no relationship with Him do all of those wonderful, poetic things you mention....leaving now to chase my eyes...rolling down the street over your moronic logic.

The moon is full tonight....going out to howl and experience spiritual oneness with the cosmos.

Hooooooooooooooollllllllll![/quote]

I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam[/quote]

Wait...are you saying that Scripture doesn't say that "the things that have been made" teach us about God?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Lost people, who know him not and have no relationship with Him do all of those wonderful, poetic things you mention....leaving now to chase my eyes...rolling down the street over your moronic logic.[/quote]

Yes, they do all of those wonderful things. In fact, God uses those things to teach them about Himself and, because of this, they are without excuse. (Would you like the actual citation?)

In fact, Colossians tells us that all of these things are a shadow and image of Christ, not the substance itself but a shadow of the substance. But, if you'd rather belief the gnosticism that Paul was specifically writing his letter to condemn...

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]YES I made the statement...the statement is true.
WE....now, today have Gods complete revelation...it is contained in His Word...

"The heavens declare his righteousness..."

"The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of His hands. Day after day they pour forth speech; night after night they display knowledge. There is no speech or language where their voice is not heard. Their voice goes out into all the earth, their words to the ends of the world."

"For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made...."

The Scripture itself explicitly refutes the claim you keep making.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]... the 66 Books of the canon of Scripture. Any future revelation that adds to or contradicts that revelation is bogus!

I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture? If you are going to toe the line, you need to be consistent. (FTR: I hold to a 66-book canon, but defending the canon from a hard-line sola stance is absurd.)

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]How has God revealed Himself to you Extra Biblically?
have you had any dreams, visions, angels appearing to you?
What did they tell you?

Sure...He reveals Himself to me all the time. He reveals Himself in the sacraments. He reveals Himself when I enjoy a good meal. He reveals Himself when I make love to my wife. He reveals Himself when I hug my children. He reveals Himself when I attend a wedding. He also reveals Himself when I attend a funeral. He reveals Himself when I admire a sunrise. Do you want me to keep going?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Huh means I have no idea what you said or meant.
As in huh....[/quote]

I meant that your critique of my analogy (Scripture / stop sign) consisted of "La la la la. I don't like that. I can't hear you" instead of actually making a point that could be considered a rebuttal.
[/quote]

No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam


Lost people, who know him not and have no relationship with Him do all of those wonderful, poetic things you mention....leaving now to chase my eyes...rolling down the street over your moronic logic.

The moon is full tonight....going out to howl and experience spiritual oneness with the cosmos.

Hooooooooooooooollllllllll![/quote]

I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture?
[/quote]

Have you discovered additional revelation...apart from and not taught in Scripture?
Has anyone?

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam

Wait...are you saying that Scripture doesn't say that "the things that have been made" teach us about God?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Lost people, who know him not and have no relationship with Him do all of those wonderful, poetic things you mention....leaving now to chase my eyes...rolling down the street over your moronic logic.[/quote]

Yes, they do all of those wonderful things. In fact, God uses those things to teach them about Himself and, because of this, they are without excuse. (Would you like the actual citation?)

In fact, Colossians tells us that all of these things are a shadow and image of Christ, not the substance itself but a shadow of the substance. But, if you'd rather belief the gnosticism that Paul was specifically writing his letter to condemn...
[/quote]

I wish you hadn't learned to spell Gnosticism....you see a gnostic behind every tree.
Scripture is our final authority.
It is declared to be infallible, inerrant by God himself...in His word.
The emergents (back to the OP) don't want Scripture as an authority...it messes up their unbelief system.
Without an authority, every man can do that which is right in his own eyes...every man is his own authority
In fact, we don't need no stink'in authority.

Psalm 138: (pssst...that's in the Bible)
I will praise You with my whole heart;
Before the gods I will sing praises to You.
I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name
For Your loving kindness and Your truth;
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
In the day when I cried out,
You answered me,
And made me bold with strength in my soul.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Tonight, I plan to eat ANOTHER onion sandwich...and i'll add hot mustard Castor.

I'll have Technicolor dreams and visions...which will have equal authority with Scripture?
Maybe not....

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Psalm 138: (pssst...that's in the Bible)
I will praise You with my whole heart;
Before the gods I will sing praises to You.
I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name
For Your loving kindness and Your truth;
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
In the day when I cried out,
You answered me,
And made me bold with strength in my soul.

Boy, I can't wait to show my Catholic friend from his own Catholic Bible that God places the Book of Tobith above His name YAWEH!

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture?

Have you discovered additional revelation...apart from and not taught in Scripture?
Has anyone?[/quote]

Is this you refusing to answer the question?

[quote author=rsc2a][quote author=Tarheel Baptist]No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam[/quote]

Wait...are you saying that Scripture doesn't say that "the things that have been made" teach us about God?[/quote]

I noticed you completely avoided this question...like several others that are extremely damning to your position. I'll ask again: are you saying that Scripture itself does not state that we learn about God from creation?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I wish you hadn't learned to spell Gnosticism....you see a gnostic behind every tree.[/quote]

There is nothing new under the sun, not even heresies.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Scripture is our final authority.[/quote]

I'll leave you to worship your Scriptures then...the same Scriptures that explicitly deny (over and over and over...) the claim that you are making

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]It is declared to be infallible, inerrant by God himself...in His word.[/quote]

Can you define those words then tell me where God says such a thing?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The emergents (back to the OP) don't want Scripture as an authority...it messes up their unbelief system.[/quote]

Many emergents are believers...

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Without an authority, every man can do that which is right in his own eyes...every man is his own authority
In fact, we don't need no stink'in authority.[/quote]

Yes. This would be true. And by elevating Scripture to the place of highest authority, what we are actually doing is elevation our own personal understanding of Scripture to the place of highest authority. Of course, then every man can do what is right in his own eyes. In fact, every man is his own authority.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Psalm 138: (pssst...that's in the Bible)
I will praise You with my whole heart;
Before the gods I will sing praises to You.
I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name
For Your loving kindness and Your truth;
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
In the day when I cried out,
You answered me,
And made me bold with strength in my soul.[/quote]

Yes. God will do what He promises even when it might make Him "look bad". You know His word (aka promises) and His name (aka reputation)? Read the first part of Habakkuk...it's a pretty clear example of what is being displayed here.

 

[ALAYMAN]

lol, more of rsc2a's "reformed" <AHEM, AHEM> roots showing I see.





/sarcasm

 

[rsc2a]

lol, more of rsc2a's "reformed" <AHEM, AHEM> roots showing I see.





/sarcasm

Although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men unexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God, and of His will, which is necessary unto salvation. - WCOF

The whole counsel of God concerning all things necessary for His own glory, man's salvation, faith and life, is either expressly set down in Scripture, or by good and necessary consequence may be deduced from Scripture: unto which nothing at any time is to be added, whether by new revelations of the Spirit, or traditions of men. Nevertheless, we acknowledge the inward illumination of the Spirit of God to be necessary for the saving understanding of such things as are revealed in the Word: and that there are some circumstances concerning the worship of God, and government of the Church, common to human actions and societies, which are to be ordered by the light of nature, and Christian prudence, according to the general rules of the Word, which are always to be observed. - WCOF

Alayman - have you even read the WCOF? If you'd like, I can quote the parts on the Church local and the Church universal.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Alayman - have you even read the WCOF? If you'd like, I can quote the parts on the Church local and the Church universal.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating, I wouldn't let you teach my dog, let alone actual people.


You're the one who has repeatedly denied that the Bible is to be the Christian's supreme and final authority in matters of faith and practice, which is an explicitly anti-reformed notion, one that the WCoF expressly opposes in numerous places, including the one you quoted.

 

[rsc2a]

Alayman - have you even read the WCOF? If you'd like, I can quote the parts on the Church local and the Church universal.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating, I wouldn't let you teach my dog, let alone actual people.

I've found some people are actually un-teachable. Generally, it's a matter of their own pride...

[quote author=ALAYMAN]You're the one who has repeatedly denied that the Bible is to be the Christian's supreme and final authority in matters of faith and practice...[/quote]

Yes...God is our supreme and final authority in all things.

[quote author=ALAYMAN]...which is an explicitly anti-reformed notion, one that the WCoF expressly opposes in numerous places, including the one you quoted.[/quote]

No. In fact the section I quoted explicitly allows for other forms of authority...kind of like the Bible does. 

 

[ALAYMAN]

Yes...God is our supreme and final authority in all things.

And by extension, His word is that revealed source of His voice to His sheep, as has been recognized by Christendom for millenia.

[quote author=rsc2a]
No. In fact the section I quoted explicitly allows for other forms of authority...kind of like the Bible does. 
[/quote]


ob·tuse 
/əbˈto͞os/Adjective
1.Annoyingly insensitive or slow to understand.
2.Difficult to understand.



Synonyms
dull - blunt - dense - slow-witted - rsc2a

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Yes...God is our supreme and final authority in all things.

And by extension, His word is that revealed source of His voice to His sheep, as has been recognized by Christendom for millenia.

IOW, passed down through human, religous tradition in addition to Jesus being the Final Authority as given by God the Father and enforced by the Spirit of God.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

 

[rsc2a]

Yes...God is our supreme and final authority in all things.

And by extension, His word is that revealed source of His voice to His sheep, as has been recognized by Christendom for millenia.

IOW, passed down through human, religous tradition in addition to Jesus being the Final Authority as given by God the Father and enforced by the Spirit of God.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Actually, Alayman is wrong here. Christendom has taught for millenia that Scripture is a revealed source of His voice. Until very recently, and then only among a very small minority, has it been taught that it is the only source of His voice. In fact, it's a position that is completely indefensible...which is why I believe both TB and Alayman are avoiding my questions.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Yes...God is our supreme and final authority in all things.

And by extension, His word is that revealed source of His voice to His sheep, as has been recognized by Christendom for millenia.

IOW, passed down through human, religous tradition in addition to Jesus being the Final Authority as given by God the Father and enforced by the Spirit of God.

But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you.

Actually, Alayman is wrong here. Christendom has taught for millenia that Scripture is a revealed source of His voice. Until very recently, and then only among a very small minority, has it been taught that it is the only source of His voice. In fact, it's a position that is completely indefensible...which is why I believe both TB and Alayman are avoiding my questions.

Yeah, I noticed they avoided the points and went in "attack" mode...

 

[ALAYMAN]

IOW, passed down through human, religous tradition in addition to Jesus being the Final Authority as given by God the Father and enforced by the Spirit of God.

Well, it's either trust the Bible, or trust <subjectively> myself to interpret my logic and feelings to be infallibly interpretive of the Holy Spirit's language to/through me, or I could just believe you.  I know which one makes more sense. 

Yeah, I noticed they avoided the points and went in "attack" mode...

I haven't avoided anything.

Actually, Alayman is wrong here. Christendom has taught for millenia that Scripture is a revealed source of His voice. Until very recently, and then only among a very small minority, has it been taught that it is the only source of His voice. In fact, it's a position that is completely indefensible...which is why I believe both TB and Alayman are avoiding my questions.

See those words in your quote colored red?  They're the key to your sophistry, especially the second one. 

Challenge:  Find anywhere on this forum, or anywhere in this universe where I stated that Scripture is the ONLY source for revelation and I'll call a crowd, grab a trumpet, and, well, you know the rest....

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=rsc2a]I'm sorry. Where in Scripture does it say anything about a 66-book canon? Are you now adding to the revelation of Scripture?

Have you discovered additional revelation...apart from and not taught in Scripture?
Has anyone?

Is this you refusing to answer the question?

[quote author=rsc2a][quote author=Tarheel Baptist]No, scripture doesn't.
The heavens declare the Glory of God...Gods Word reveals the God of Glory.
The Bible is the authority...it reveals God, His plan and purpose for mam[/quote]

Wait...are you saying that Scripture doesn't say that "the things that have been made" teach us about God?[/quote]

I noticed you completely avoided this question...like several others that are extremely damning to your position. I'll ask again: are you saying that Scripture itself does not state that we learn about God from creation?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I wish you hadn't learned to spell Gnosticism....you see a gnostic behind every tree.[/quote]

There is nothing new under the sun, not even heresies.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Scripture is our final authority.[/quote]

I'll leave you to worship your Scriptures then...the same Scriptures that explicitly deny (over and over and over...) the claim that you are making

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]It is declared to be infallible, inerrant by God himself...in His word.[/quote]

Can you define those words then tell me where God says such a thing?

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]The emergents (back to the OP) don't want Scripture as an authority...it messes up their unbelief system.[/quote]

Many emergents are believers...

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Without an authority, every man can do that which is right in his own eyes...every man is his own authority
In fact, we don't need no stink'in authority.[/quote]

Yes. This would be true. And by elevating Scripture to the place of highest authority, what we are actually doing is elevation our own personal understanding of Scripture to the place of highest authority. Of course, then every man can do what is right in his own eyes. In fact, every man is his own authority.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Psalm 138: (pssst...that's in the Bible)
I will praise You with my whole heart;
Before the gods I will sing praises to You.
I will worship toward Your holy temple, and praise Your name
For Your loving kindness and Your truth;
For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.
In the day when I cried out,
You answered me,
And made me bold with strength in my soul.[/quote]

Yes. God will do what He promises even when it might make Him "look bad". You know His word (aka promises) and His name (aka reputation)? Read the first part of Habakkuk...it's a pretty clear example of what is being displayed here.
[/quote]

Is this you deflecting the key issue of authority?
It's either God or you....if its God, it's in His Word.
If its you it's in whatever you say He says to you.
And by you, I mean a collective you, not just you. 

Gods Word is inspired by God...that's why it's His Word.
Gods Word is infallible and inerrant.

2 Timothy 3:16: ALL  Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,