Sad to read

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]To be intellectually honest with you (as opposed to the tactics of sfl ),I read the thread and never thought of salvation of infants or the extreme mentally handicapped. But, I do see your point after the fact, so to speak. I don't think they considered that either.[/quote]

They didn't consider it..that's why I went down that route. It shows inconsistency in their stated absolutes.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I can't speak for them, but I believe infants and the handicapped are saved, but not thru any different means. I basically agree with Spurgeon:

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0411.htm[/quote]

I certainly hope they are. Just like I hope the guy living in a village of 200 in the remotest part of India is, likewise, saved.

 

[ALAYMAN]

I'll take that to be a "Yes, I didn't understand the quote," especially since your rebuttal was a clear example of what was referred to as a poor hypothesis.

Well, then you as usual, took it wrong.  I understood Wright, and I understand that you don't like to deal with those uncomfortable Scriptures in a way that is contextually honest to the systematic cohesiveness of the 5 Solas.

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]I must object to the use of the toddler if you're going to say its an "impossibility" for them to believe.

Do you see the same responsibility level of an adult nation of mankind who's ancestors rejected the Gospel long ago, with the mentally disabled child of 6 who can't do anything but grunt?

or do you see no responsibility at all?

I see people being responsible insofar as to what has been entrusted to such an individual.
[/quote]

Who does this responsibility play into "Jesus Saves"? Is it just an individual responsibility or can it be a cooperative responsibility in certain circumstances? If it can be "cooperative"..... then how does this play into "Jesus Saves"?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]I must object to the use of the toddler if you're going to say its an "impossibility" for them to believe.

Do you see the same responsibility level of an adult nation of mankind who's ancestors rejected the Gospel long ago, with the mentally disabled child of 6 who can't do anything but grunt?

or do you see no responsibility at all?

I see people being responsible insofar as to what has been entrusted to such an individual.

Who does this responsibility play into "Jesus Saves"? Is it just an individual responsibility or can it be a cooperative responsibility in certain circumstances? If it can be "cooperative"..... then how does this play into "Jesus Saves"?[/quote]

I'll answer in the Socratic fashion:

Is there any affect which is not the effect of a prior cause(s)?
What carves the marble: the sculptor or the chisel?

 

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]I must object to the use of the toddler if you're going to say its an "impossibility" for them to believe.

Do you see the same responsibility level of an adult nation of mankind who's ancestors rejected the Gospel long ago, with the mentally disabled child of 6 who can't do anything but grunt?

or do you see no responsibility at all?

I see people being responsible insofar as to what has been entrusted to such an individual.

Who does this responsibility play into "Jesus Saves"? Is it just an individual responsibility or can it be a cooperative responsibility in certain circumstances? If it can be "cooperative"..... then how does this play into "Jesus Saves"?

I'll answer in the Socratic fashion:

Is there any affect which is not the effect of a prior cause(s)?
What carves the marble: the sculptor or the chisel?
[/quote]

Then you must attribute sin to a Holy God?

For your reference.
Psa 9:17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

I know we ask difficult question of a novice, but you really shouldn't say you believe much of anything.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=christundivided]Then you must attribute sin to a Holy God? [/quote]

I do?

[quote author=christundivided]For your reference.
Psa 9:17  The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. [/quote]

And this reference alludes to...

[quote author=christundivided]I know we ask difficult question of a novice, but you really shouldn't say you believe much of anything.[/quote]

:

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]To be intellectually honest with you (as opposed to the tactics of sfl ),I read the thread and never thought of salvation of infants or the extreme mentally handicapped. But, I do see your point after the fact, so to speak. I don't think they considered that either.

They didn't consider it..that's why I went down that route. It shows inconsistency in their stated absolutes.

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]I can't speak for them, but I believe infants and the handicapped are saved, but not thru any different means. I basically agree with Spurgeon:

http://www.spurgeon.org/sermons/0411.htm[/quote]

I certainly hope they are. Just like I hope the guy living in a village of 200 in the remotest part of India is, likewise, saved.
[/quote]

it doesn't matter what you or I hope for or emotionally long for...
Your hypothetical village in India (or never-never land) illustration is based on such...imo.

 

[Castor Muscular]

Then you must attribute sin to a Holy God?

I'd like to take a whack at this with a question.

Will you ever sin when you are transformed and in heaven?