Sad to read

It's a hoax. Elaborate but a hoax nonetheless.
 
Just John said:
It's a hoax. Elaborate but a hoax nonetheless.

Good to hear.  It did not make sense to me.
 
FSSL asked:

What information do you have to say it is a hoax? Here is his own website: http://www.joelostenministries.com/

That's a hoax site. There's a subtle misspelling that's easy to miss ("osten" instead of "osteen').  And the first link is to a blog on Wordpress.com - not exactly what you'd expect of a major international ministry!
 
christundivided said:
They misspelled his name :)

Arrgh!!! One "e." I guess that tells you how much I followed him in the first place :D
 
He left biblical Christianity along time ago...just wish it wasn't a hoax then people might quit being deceived...the only hoax is the one he puts forth every week as a "Christian" pastor.
 
T-Bone said:
He left biblical Christianity along time ago...just wish it wasn't a hoax then people might quit being deceived...the only hoax is the one he puts forth every week as a "Christian" pastor.
The People love the way he lies with his loosey goosey feel good churchianity...
 
ivannette said:
Vandal said:
T-Bone said:
He left biblical Christianity along time ago...just wish it wasn't a hoax then people might quit being deceived...the only hoax is the one he puts forth every week as a "Christian" pastor.

The People love the way he lies with his loosey goosey feel good churchianity...

i have yet to hear one lie

there is nothing wrong with a positive christianity

he is an encourager

There is something wrong when a "preacher" doesn't know if those who reject Christ are saved or not.  There is something wrong with a "christianity" that promotes self esteem or self anything...there is the deception, there is the lie.  We are not to depend on self...we are to depend on Christ alone!
 
T-Bone said:
ivannette said:
Vandal said:
T-Bone said:
He left biblical Christianity along time ago...just wish it wasn't a hoax then people might quit being deceived...the only hoax is the one he puts forth every week as a "Christian" pastor.

The People love the way he lies with his loosey goosey feel good churchianity...

i have yet to hear one lie

there is nothing wrong with a positive christianity

he is an encourager

There is something wrong when a "preacher" doesn't know if those who reject Christ are saved or not.  There is something wrong with a "christianity" that promotes self esteem or self anything...there is the deception, there is the lie.  We are not to depend on self...we are to depend on Christ alone!

http://youtu.be/pKF_QgNezBY
 
Sounds to me like he said...Here is what I believe it takes to get to heaven.  I put it out there every week on the program.  If someone does not accept it or even flatly denies it then he will let God judge their heart.  He is not going to.

I can accept that.

 
Just me said:
Sounds to me like he said...Here is what I believe it takes to get to heaven.  I put it out there every week on the program.  If someone does not accept it or even flatly denies it then he will let God judge their heart.  He is not going to.

I can accept that.

Well you are certainly free to accept that in your choice of pastor... I will take Paul who said he wasn't ashamed of the Gospel for it is is the power of God unto salvation....who said any other Gospel is to be anathema.  I will take a Peter who said that the Jesus they crucified is the Savior.  I will take Jesus who said, I am the way...no one comes to the Father except by me. It is a worthless, man pleasing "pastor" who will not say that Jesus is the only way to salvation for all people...period!  He should not be in the pulpit and his message is without the power of the Holy Spirit!
 
T-Bone said:
Just me said:
Sounds to me like he said...Here is what I believe it takes to get to heaven.  I put it out there every week on the program.  If someone does not accept it or even flatly denies it then he will let God judge their heart.  He is not going to.

I can accept that.

Well you are certainly free to accept that in your choice of pastor... I will take Paul who said he wasn't ashamed of the Gospel for it is is the power of God unto salvation....who said any other Gospel is to be anathema.  I will take a Peter who said that the Jesus they crucified is the Savior.  I will take Jesus who said, I am the way...no one comes to the Father except by me. It is a worthless, man pleasing "pastor" who will not say that Jesus is the only way to salvation for all people...period!  He should not be in the pulpit and his message is without the power of the Holy Spirit!

Silly T-bone, you might want to brush up on your reading skills a little. 
 
Just me said:
T-Bone said:
Just me said:
Sounds to me like he said...Here is what I believe it takes to get to heaven.  I put it out there every week on the program.  If someone does not accept it or even flatly denies it then he will let God judge their heart.  He is not going to.

I can accept that.

Well you are certainly free to accept that in your choice of pastor... I will take Paul who said he wasn't ashamed of the Gospel for it is is the power of God unto salvation....who said any other Gospel is to be anathema.  I will take a Peter who said that the Jesus they crucified is the Savior.  I will take Jesus who said, I am the way...no one comes to the Father except by me. It is a worthless, man pleasing "pastor" who will not say that Jesus is the only way to salvation for all people...period!  He should not be in the pulpit and his message is without the power of the Holy Spirit!

Silly T-bone, you might want to brush up on your reading skills a little.

Appreciate that...can always improve in that area and many others.  Might I encourage you to improve on your discernment of professed pastors and what they actually teach?  That way you wont be seen as possibly defending the indefensible.  What Joel is not willing to say in order to be accepted by all is that it is not a matter of "his judgment" to state that any other path to salvation leads to destruction...God's Word has already stated this truth, to speak this truth is what the pastor is supposed to do.
 
T-Bone said:
Just me said:
T-Bone said:
Just me said:
Sounds to me like he said...Here is what I believe it takes to get to heaven.  I put it out there every week on the program.  If someone does not accept it or even flatly denies it then he will let God judge their heart.  He is not going to.

I can accept that.

Well you are certainly free to accept that in your choice of pastor... I will take Paul who said he wasn't ashamed of the Gospel for it is is the power of God unto salvation....who said any other Gospel is to be anathema.  I will take a Peter who said that the Jesus they crucified is the Savior.  I will take Jesus who said, I am the way...no one comes to the Father except by me. It is a worthless, man pleasing "pastor" who will not say that Jesus is the only way to salvation for all people...period!  He should not be in the pulpit and his message is without the power of the Holy Spirit!

Silly T-bone, you might want to brush up on your reading skills a little.

Appreciate that...can always improve in that area and many others.  Might I encourage you to improve on your discernment of professed pastors and what they actually teach?  That way you wont be seen as possibly defending the indefensible.  What Joel is not willing to say in order to be accepted by all is that it is not a matter of "his judgment" to state that any other path to salvation leads to destruction...God's Word has already stated this truth, to speak this truth is what the pastor is supposed to do.

This is well stated, T-Bone. Osteen is afraid to speak the truth of the Bible....that those in India who are sincere are still condemned in their sins because they have not received Jesus Christ. Sincerity does not save, Christ saves!
 
[quote author=Boomer]This is well stated, T-Bone. Osteen is afraid to speak the truth of the Bible....that those in India who are sincere are still condemned in their sins because they have not received Jesus Christ. Sincerity does not save, Christ saves!
[/quote]

Then how do you know they aren't among the elect? Jesus saves, not our knowledge of Jesus.
 
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