Mrs. Hyles and the kids

[tobytyler]

A funny memory just resurfaced...it was December. Mrs. Hyles was singing her famous yearly rendition of "Sweet Little Jesus Boy", to the comfort and delight of all. (?) My husband had a small group of teens visiting, of A-American descent. One boy uttered loudly, "Give it up, white lady." Out of the mouths of babes...!!!! Hope  that is not too much of a sacred cow to have a little fun with.

Click on the link and ENJOY!!  Sweet Little Jesus Boy - FBC Mrs. Beverly Hyles

 

[Torrent v.3]

Am I the only one who finds stalking a little creepy?

Um, no. There are a lot of creepy people on this forum.  No surprise here.

Far less creepy people on this forum than the old FFF!!

No deaconn Dixon, No FGL, and who was that other guy who had some ministry in the hills of Vermont and his wife was in a wheelchair?

 

[16KJV11]

A funny memory just resurfaced...it was December. Mrs. Hyles was singing her famous yearly rendition of "Sweet Little Jesus Boy", to the comfort and delight of all. (?) My husband had a small group of teens visiting, of A-American descent. One boy uttered loudly, "Give it up, white lady." Out of the mouths of babes...!!!! Hope  that is not too much of a sacred cow to have a little fun with.

Click on the link and ENJOY!!  Sweet Little Jesus Boy - FBC Mrs. Beverly Hyles

I see what openedeyes was saying...

 

[Just John]

A funny memory just resurfaced...it was December. Mrs. Hyles was singing her famous yearly rendition of "Sweet Little Jesus Boy", to the comfort and delight of all. (?) My husband had a small group of teens visiting, of A-American descent. One boy uttered loudly, "Give it up, white lady." Out of the mouths of babes...!!!! Hope  that is not too much of a sacred cow to have a little fun with.

Click on the link and ENJOY!!  Sweet Little Jesus Boy - FBC Mrs. Beverly Hyles

I hear youtube is going to start charging for some content. I shall assume this will remain free. 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Am I the only one who finds stalking a little creepy?

Um, no. There are a lot of creepy people on this forum.  No surprise here.

Far less creepy people on this forum than the old FFF!!

No deaconn Dixon, No FGL, and who was that other guy who had some ministry in the hills of Vermont and his wife was in a wheelchair?

Wasn't that Pastor Martin or am I confusing him with someone else?

 

[bgwilkinson]

People are accusing Linda of having financial motives and of being a "kept" woman. In my opinion, Cindy has tremendous financial motives, and is a kept woman herself. Because she has kept the correct viewpoint in the eyes of IFB, she has never lacked for anything. As long as she keeps that viewpoint and stands by her man, there are plenty of sympathetic souls in her corner. I am sure even as we speak, she is being "kept". Larry Smith, when he spoke (scolded) lately on tithing mentioned that the first of everything from their house goes to Mrs. Schaap. Now, he will doubtless adjust that. Now the firsts will go to Linda Wilkerson, and the seconds will doubtless still go to Cindy Schaap. I'm sure pastors around the country are sending her money, as are sympathetic followers. She always needed assistants to clean her house, do her shopping, and arrange her schedule. I don't know what is on her schedule now, but she still has at least one faithful assistant who is I believe paid by the church to be her personal staff member. But she does not attend FBC.

It's always the little things, too, that are so telling. Having to sit behind her many a Wednesday night, I always thought it infuriating that she chatted with her grandchildren all during the service and fed the grands candy and then left the wrappers all over the floor. I can't bring myself to litter my church. She had no problem with it, regularly. It wasn't just a one-time accident. And talking through church? Well, all we ever heard was how much she and JS doted on the grands, so I guess that is forgivable if that is who she was chatting with...

I have heard from many about her tremendous insecurities and her nearly psychotic paranoia about any woman around her husband. Guess she wasn't so wrong about that, but she shredded many an unsuspecting woman that she deemed (incorrectly) to be a threat.

I will never forget a story JS told that chilled me to the bones. He spoke of when he and Cindy were just starting to be serious. He told her he had to know everything there was to know about her. She said she'd never revealed her innermost self to anyone before, he told her she had to. That was how it had to be between them. So he described taking her to the lake at the college, or something like that, spending hours with her and getting her to open up every aspect of her self to him. Her thoughts, her fears, her desires, her secrets: everything. He was really big on the fact we all have secret lives. He said they left there, forever bound by the fact they'd done this with each other. To me, it just sounded like pure psychological rape. Looking back, I feel sorry for her and for Jaclyn. Jaclynn was not allowed to have a door on her bedroom and had to do things like sign pieces of paper swearing, as a six year old girl, that she would adore her Daddy as much at 16 as she did at the age of 6.

Can you imagine being a woman in his life? In that respect I feel sorry for Cindy. Hopelessly manipulated, but when she in turn is such a warped person because of that, my sympathy ends. She should not be in a place of influence over anyone, ever again. If any misguided churches invite her to speak to their ladies, they are seriously mistaken. She has nothing to offer. Which finally makes sense to me. (as in, I always wondered why, when listening to one of the supposed greatest Christian women on the face of the earth, she seemed to have nothing to say of any significance)

I know we are not supposed to give unsolicited advice but, oh well. You need to get out of that mess. I KNOW how hard it is if you have kids in school and are so entrenched in fbch but I left 9 months ago (before the js crap came out) and I can't tell you how I enjoy going to church again! I thought that feeling was gone forever. When you sit in fbch services and hang around the people who are just so happy and love everything you can't help but sit there and think, What is wrong with me? I have been there!

You don't know who I am and probably would not know me but you would definitely know who my relatives are. I went there for 25 years and was faithful and listened, actually listened to the sermons, and what was being taught. I was a died-in-the-wool-die-hard-independent-baptist-fundamentalist and to leave that was almost like moving to another country. I have deep roots in fbch and it is still extremely hard.

I started going to another church in the area that most folks at fbch would rather eat dirt than go to. I found out  that they have no idea what they are talking about!

Every week I just can't wait to go to church! No. I still don't like the contemporary music but I was taught that anyone who goes to a church with ccm is just a backslidden fundamentalist and all they do is sit around and talk about fbch and are against old fashioned christianity. Another lie!

I believe Mrs. Hyles would be the perfect person to give you counsel on learning to love CCM.

Here is a sample of what Mrs. Hyles enjoys every Sunday at First Dallas. She looks quit happy. I think she has moved beyond the IFBxxx mindset. Maybe she never had it.


https://vimeo.com/51217566

 

[RAIDER]

Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much. 

 

[myeyesareopen]

Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

 

[RAIDER]

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service. 

A "TRUE" HACker, even puking and pooping, would have dragged himself to church!  This is how liberalism sneaks in.

Thank you for keeping me on the narrow path, brother.

 

[RAIDER]

Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

Because he wants us all to know how bad Dr. Hyles' ministry was.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

Because he wants us all to know how bad Dr. Hyles' ministry was.

SO bad that he stayed there through it all?  20, 30 years, maybe more?

 

[RAIDER]

Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

Because he wants us all to know how bad Dr. Hyles' ministry was.

SO bad that he stayed there through it all?  20, 30 years, maybe more?

Yes, but now he has fresh insight and he is proud of Mrs. Hyles for attending a church that uses CCM. 

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

Because he wants us all to know how bad Dr. Hyles' ministry was.

SO bad that he stayed there through it all?  20, 30 years, maybe more?

Yes, but now he has fresh insight and he is proud of Mrs. Hyles for attending a church that uses CCM. 

Amazing how "Fresh Perspective" causes you to think what used to smell, now is fresh. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much. 

I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

 

[RAIDER]

I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

It had been quite a few years since I had watched a service from TR.  I remember as a teen watching services.  This was quite different. 

Yes, it was out of my comfort zone.  I'm not a fan of praise and worship teams.  I have watched services from non-Baptist churches.  This was a lot like those services.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

It had been quite a few years since I had watched a service from TR.  I remember as a teen watching services.  This was quite different. 

Yes, it was out of my comfort zone.  I'm not a fan of praise and worship teams.  I have watched services from non-Baptist churches.  This was a lot like those services.

I understand, my mother feels the same way about our services .
I did not mean to attack you, at all, just an observation from my position in the middle of the road....a compromiser by IFB standards. 
I've been accused of waffling because I'm too fundy for the free birds and too freebird for the fundys......

 

[Just John]

Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much. 

I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

I saw that quote today too. Good blog by Stetzer.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much. 

I can assure you that Jerry would be very comfortable with the atmosphere at Thomas Road today, it really isn't that much different now than when he was alive.

CCM is in the eye of the beholder...many who have contemporary services wouldn't call First Dallas or Thomas Road contemporary.
Maybe Pate will weigh in on that.

The music in that video was similar to our services and we aren't contemporary by the true contemporary standards. I found it interesting that you call it out of your comfort zone.

As Jaroslav Pelikan has said, "Tradition is the living faith of the dead, traditionalism is the dead faith of the living."  Sometimes, we get those confused, I'm afraid.

I saw that quote today too. Good blog by Stetzer.

True that...and I'm usually not a Stetzer fan.

http://www.edstetzer.com/2013/05/missing-the-mission-looking-for-the-right-results-while-loving-the-wrong-things.html

 

[Just John]

Yes. I attend Thomas Road here in Lynchburg, VA. I like that Jonathon Falwell sits on the front row until he gets up to preach. No rows of chairs for the pastors to sit up in front and look down at the congregation. I'm not saying that's wrong but I like that the last three churches I have been in the last 30 years have all been similar. I really liked the church I attended in Raleigh where the pastor stood at the front door and greeted everyone as they came through the door until it was almost time for the sermon even though it was a couple thousand people. Very humble man.

I was sick on a Sunday a few month back.  I turned on the tv to catch a church service.  I was excited to see that Thomas Road's service was available.  John, I have WAY too much IFB in me to enjoy that type of service.  It was like watching a non-denominational service.  I believe even Jerry may be rolling over in his grave.  I'm glad you enjoy it, it pushes my IFB comfort zone a bit too much. 

LOL!  I understand.

Yes, as Tarheel mentioned Jerry would have been ok with it. He was always ahead of most IFB churches (when TRBC was still IFB) on the music issue, even when they were still very conservative musically.

They had Doug Oldham way back in the 70's who then would have been considered "contemporary" among many IFB's and he sang in many places IFB's would not have approved of like Billy Graham crusades and some charismatic churches.

Then the college had some various groups that were "jazzier" than other IFB colleges. I remember my former father-in-law complaining in 1983 about the "rocky music" they sang in the church services at TRBC he watched on TV. (Met his daughter at Liberty). When I was there in the early 80's though we still couldn't listen to music from Christian rock bands like Petra or whoever else was popular then and the newer version of the Imperials with Russ Taff was still pretty taboo with most RA's although Amy Grant and Dallas Holm kind of stuff was ok.

A lot changed in the late 80's and early 90's, especially when soon to be Christian "mega-group" DC Talk came out of Liberty (independently of the school). They became a source of pride for the school and I'm sure for Jerry. The kids options were opened up to a wider variety of music as people realized there were a lot of good believers making great, albeit it a different style of music, with hair length that might not match the code at Liberty. The concerts started changing and more and more Christian artists and bands included Liberty alum. (I took my oldest daughter to a concert at the college with DC Talk and The Newsboys. They were rocking with the great light effects, etc. and they got Jerry out on the stage...EARLY in the concert and they were joking around with him about if he could dance or something like that. He didn't stay long and I'm sure no one expected him too. LOL Didn't mind it for others but definitely not his music.) The long-time music director/pastor at the college and the church retired (but stuck around) and the college "chorale" groups didn't sing in TRBC as much as they used to and the church started using praise teams. They had a couple different worship leaders then settled on Charles Billingsly. Jerry loved him. Billingsly was wooed out to CA to David Jeremiah's church but Jerry stole him back a couple of years later (much to the chagrin of Jeremiah) and he's still there today.

Jerry always believed that sports and music was a "universal language" that young people gravitated to and he was willing to be flexible and change. I certainly understand it's not for everyone. Just as there are many type of people and personalities there are many type of churches.

 

[16KJV11]

Question:


Why does bgwilkinson keep reposting the same posts later in a thread? We heard you the first time, sir?

Because he wants us all to know how bad Dr. Hyles' ministry was.

SO bad that he stayed there through it all?  20, 30 years, maybe more?

Yes, but now he has fresh insight and he is proud of Mrs. Hyles for attending a church that uses CCM. 

Ah, yes, and because the iconic, sinless virgin Beverly attends an SBC, it is a telling condemnation of all things IFB!