Mrs. Hyles and the kids

RAIDER said:
It would be interesting to know.
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Actually, Mrs. Hyles felt that Hyles Publications was hers and the money that would go along with it. She’d planned to leave anyway and go back to Texas, but Jack Schaap’s answer of “no” just sent her on the road south faster! Hard feelings and I don’t blame her!
 
denver said:
i grew up in FBC. Graduated from HBHS in 1976. I dated Cindy Hyles for a year in high school. Because of this I was privy to alot of the inner happenings of the Hyles family. Spent many Sunday afternoons at the Hyles house. This is long before Jack Schaap. I know things that happened in the Hyles family that have never been publically stated. I knew the family very well. two thoughts: FBC is not a church. It is a cult in every sense of the word. It is a cult portraying itself as a church. Truly, no different in philosophy than other church cults. The real victim in the Schaap saga is not Cindy Hyles. She and her family are part of the collateral damage that Schaap reaped on his family by his crime. The real victim is the young girl that he raped on more than one occassion. A girl who was the victim of prior sex abuse only to have it forced on her again by a cult leader. THis is what cult leaders do. They use their power to rape women and in this case, a young girl. I am amazed, though not shocked, that when I read all of these comments, I rarely find a discussion as to the life long damage and terror this young girl will face the rest of her life. She is the victim. She may never be able to pick up the pieces of her life that Schaap caused. FBC has a long tradition of sexual abuse, among women, children and men. This is the DNA of cults. Schaap is done. He'll be 65 when he gets out of prison and will be a registered sex offender the remaining days of his life for that is what he is. Start ackowledging in your posts the young girl who will have the hell of this follow her the rest of her life.
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I say it all the time. I barely survived what happened to me there. The victims never really “get over it”.
 
sawthruglassclearly said:
Actually, Mrs. Hyles felt that Hyles Publications was hers and the money that would go along with it. She’d planned to leave anyway and go back to Texas, but Jack Schaap’s answer of “no” just sent her on the road south faster! Hard feelings and I don’t blame her!
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If even some of the things Linda Murphrey said about her dad and his wealth were true, Mrs. Hyles would have had more money than she could ever spend.

Very few IFB pastors or assistant pastors have any kind of wealth at all. Most of their success comes from the generous benefits they may be offered as pastor and from the money from speaking engagements. I'm not sure Hyles Publications sold enough books to generate any kind of serious income and Dr. Hyles was know to give some of that money away.

Jack Hyles should have had a million dollar policy on himself so she would be cared for. Pastors wives are usually asked to leave the parsonage and sometimes live in poverity after their pastor husband dies. Most IFB pastors I know have no pension, 401K or significant savings when they retire.
 
sword said:
If even some of the things Linda Murphrey said about her dad and his wealth were true, Mrs. Hyles would have had more money than she could ever spend.

Very few IFB pastors or assistant pastors have any kind of wealth at all. Most of their success comes from the generous benefits they may be offered as pastor and from the money from speaking engagements. I'm not sure Hyles Publications sold enough books to generate any kind of serious income and Dr. Hyles was know to give some of that money away.

Jack Hyles should have had a million dollar policy on himself so she would be cared for. Pastors wives are usually asked to leave the parsonage and sometimes live in poverity after their pastor husband dies. Most IFB pastors I know have no pension, 401K or significant savings when they retire.
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I can agree with you and add that one never seems to say that they have enough money.
 
sawthruglassclearly, did you ever see my husband (Danny Hester) guarding the Hyles home ? He was there for many years and then at the church.
 
abcaines said:
What you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops. Luke 12:3
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Except in the case of the other party, it seems. I wonder what her nearly 600 texts were saying.

And, no, this is not a justification of Schaap, or an argument for the mitigation of the sentence he got, and neither do I believe it should have been, but neither do I buy the "he-cast-a-spell-on-us" baloney.

Effectively 17 is not an innocent age. Both parties are responsible for their actions. And I'd start there when counseling the girl (who would be nearly 30 now). I think telling her that she was just a vulnerable, hypnotized victim is not telling her the truth, nor of any help to her.

My takeaways from the document I linked:

  • She was a trouble-maker with boys to begin with. I suspect by that fact and the way things went with Schaap, that she was hot, and that she knew how to exploit her sex appeal. I don't think that her troubles were about just one romantic interest who no longer returned her affection. I also suspect her 'self-destructive behaviors' were a way to manipulate her parents and the administrators of the school.
  • Schaap's communications don't strike me as the kind written by a predator. Predators know better than to put things in writing unless they're worded to lend plausible deniability. They look to me like like the songs of a giddy, silly, stupid old fool, who fell in love with a willing hottie.
  • According to the document, their counseling started about her relationship. Now how do you suspect this turned into meetings for sex? Schaap wasn't a bad looking guy at the time, despite his nearly 60 years of age.

There's a lot of stupidity to go around, here. Schaap's stupidity is paramount, of course.

The parents also peg the stupidity meter...allowing their daughter to go to counselling alone with a man? Trust-worthy or not, that's just stupid. Monumentally stupid. Being under some kind of spell? Baloney...but even if it were so...they're responsible. They're hollering "witch!" just to save their skins.

And of course, the church. I mean...talk of a ship of fools, for the same reason.

The victim is, of course, legally innocent, but only on a technicality. Morally, she is responsible for her actions. Under some kind of spell? Baloney...but even if it were so...she's responsible.
 
Ekklesian said:
Except in the case of the other party, it seems. I wonder what her nearly 600 texts were saying.

And, no, this is not a justification of Schaap, or an argument for the mitigation of the sentence he got, and neither do I believe it should have been, but neither do I buy the "he-cast-a-spell-on-us" baloney.

Effectively 17 is not an innocent age. Both parties are responsible for their actions. And I'd start there when counseling the girl (who would be nearly 30 now). I think telling her that she was just a vulnerable, hypnotized victim is not telling her the truth, nor of any help to her.

My takeaways from the document I linked:

  • She was a trouble-maker with boys to begin with. I suspect by that fact and the way things went with Schaap, that she was hot, and that she knew how to exploit her sex appeal. I don't think that her troubles were about just one romantic interest who no longer returned her affection. I also suspect her 'self-destructive behaviors' were a way to manipulate her parents and the administrators of the school.
  • Schaap's communications don't strike me as the kind written by a predator. Predators know better than to put things in writing unless they're worded to lend plausible deniability. They look to me like like the songs of a giddy, silly, stupid old fool, who fell in love with a willing hottie.
  • According to the document, their counseling started about her relationship. Now how do you suspect this turned into meetings for sex? Schaap wasn't a bad looking guy at the time, despite his nearly 60 years of age.

There's a lot of stupidity to go around, here. Schaap's stupidity is paramount, of course.

The parents also peg the stupidity meter...allowing their daughter to go to counselling alone with a man? Trust-worthy or not, that's just stupid. Monumentally stupid. Being under some kind of spell? Baloney...but even if it were so...they're responsible. They're hollering "witch!" just to save their skins.

And of course, the church. I mean...talk of a ship of fools, for the same reason.

The victim is, of course, legally innocent, but only on a technicality. Morally, she is responsible for her actions. Under some kind of spell? Baloney...but even if it were so...she's responsible.
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On a strictly moral level, the fact that Schaap was a pastor places his culpability and accountability on a scale that makes any other individuals' culpability miniscule.

Not having first hand information, I am going to give benefit of the doubt to the victims.
 
This has been a subject that has intrigued me for years. I literally have it on second hand information (Bro. Hyles told this to my best friend -- whom I trust explicitly) that he was leaving Mrs. Hyles ten million dollars. And yet, neither she nor any of those kids has ever showed evidence of having much of anything.

Becky has lived a modest life in Texas for decades.

Dave is wherever he is, but upon last reliable information, was shaking the can wherever he could and his wife was working as a teller at a bank. This is not someone with money.

Linda has disappeared (I believe) to somewhere in California and has no association with the the other family members.

Cindy, after the Schaap tragedy, eventually moved to Oklahoma to marry a man of modest means and works a common job herself. Prior to that, she was working extremely menial jobs to feed herself. Again, no evidence of money, either from her dad, mother or Jack Schaap. Frankly I would be shocked if Jack did not rat hole some money before he went to prison. Money that Cindy did not know about.

And while Mrs. Hyles likely lived comfortably in Texas in her last years, it doesn't appear she live very large. And then, if she did have money from Bro. Hyles, who inherited it from her upon her death? No one in the family looks to have fat stacks.

It leads me to believe that either Bro. Hyles lied about his worth or that a whole bunch of money got spent in a hurry.

He's been gone 23 years and it's still intriguing to me.

"Believe none of what you hear and less of what you see."
 
sword said:
If even some of the things Linda Murphrey said about her dad and his wealth were true, Mrs. Hyles would have had more money than she could ever spend.

Very few IFB pastors or assistant pastors have any kind of wealth at all. Most of their success comes from the generous benefits they may be offered as pastor and from the money from speaking engagements. I'm not sure Hyles Publications sold enough books to generate any kind of serious income and Dr. Hyles was know to give some of that money away.
Jack Hyles should have had a million dollar policy on himself so she would be cared for. Pastors wives are usually asked to leave the parsonage and sometimes live in poverity after their pastor husband dies. Most IFB pastors I know have no pension, 401K or significant savings when they retire.
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You raise a good point about pastors' wives who are usually asked to leave the parsonage and sometimes live in poverty after their husband dies. The Southern Baptist Convention has something called, "MIssion Dignity" for that very reason.

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Justice1976 said:
This has been a subject that has intrigued me for years. I literally have it on second hand information (Bro. Hyles told this to my best friend -- whom I trust explicitly) that he was leaving Mrs. Hyles ten million dollars. And yet, neither she nor any of those kids has ever showed evidence of having much of anything.

Becky has lived a modest life in Texas for decades.

Dave is wherever he is, but upon last reliable information, was shaking the can wherever he could and his wife was working as a teller at a bank. This is not someone with money.

Linda has disappeared (I believe) to somewhere in California and has no association with the the other family members.

Cindy, after the Schaap tragedy, eventually moved to Oklahoma to marry a man of modest means and works a common job herself. Prior to that, she was working extremely menial jobs to feed herself. Again, no evidence of money, either from her dad, mother or Jack Schaap. Frankly I would be shocked if Jack did not rat hole some money before he went to prison. Money that Cindy did not know about.

And while Mrs. Hyles likely lived comfortably in Texas in her last years, it doesn't appear she live very large. And then, if she did have money from Bro. Hyles, who inherited it from her upon her death? No one in the family looks to have fat stacks.

It leads me to believe that either Bro. Hyles lied about his worth or that a whole bunch of money got spent in a hurry.

He's been gone 23 years and it's still intriguing to me.

"Believe none of what you hear and less of what you see."
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It (large sums of money) would be evident somewhere. He was probably paying people off not to tell on him for his double life, which his daughter Linda revealed. I believe her. He was a bloviating liar and exaggerating self righteous Pharisee. FOr all we know, he was paying off families of teen girls who his son David the serial adulterer sexually assaulted.

He was a powerful man, and we all know that power corrupts. At one time, I wanted to believe the best about Hyles, but there are too many people who knew the truth who exposed him as a liar and fake. Too many reliable witnesses. Godly men and women.
 
Pastor Marty said:
None of us know what went inside the Hyles' home. Cindy and Linda do paint very different pictures. We have all heard stories. Making assumptions is dicey. Just because he retired to the basement does not necessarily mean anything more than he was a night owl and loved to read, prepare sermons, and write his books late into the night in his basement office. Most pastors are too busy and distracted during the day if they have a daily operational ministry with staff and people around during the week.

Maybe Mrs Hyles didn't like to be disturbed once she went to bed so he stayed in the basement on a spare bed. Who knows...

Mrs Hyles said from the pulpit at his funeral that was the "best" Christian she had ever known. Powerful statement. She didn't have to say it. If he was as bad as Linda portrays she could have been respectful of the dead without bestowing unearned praise. The fact she said he was a Christian example and has remained faithful to his memory and "legacy" of his ministry by speaking at mtgs where Hyles is still very much revered says alot. She has spoken with John Wilkerson and offered her support and prayer.

Someone said earlier that Dave could come out and play the blame game and dump on his dad but he hasn't.

The bottom line is very simple ... IF what Linda claims is true and all the stories of the real Hyles home are true than that means not only was Dr Hyles not what he appeared to be in public BUT neither was Mrs Hyles. She wrote books. She taught at Hyles/Anderson College. She traveled and lectured to women across the country. IF Hyles was a bad dude and an evil father ... then Mrs Hyles enabled it and covered it up and participated in the perfect family false image. Linda should do a Mommy Dearest tell all and out her mother for covering up the sins of an evil monster (sarcasm intended).

The truth lies more in the middle. No, the Hyles' were not the perfect family like the Cleavers on TV (Leave It To Beaver). No family is. But they were not the Manson's either as Linda would have you believe. Dr Hyles was gone alot. That played a key into David's issues I am sure. I am also sure it added stress between Dr and Mrs Hyles. Her book entitled Life Viewed from the Fishbowl was a peek into her psyche'. She was and remains an extremely private person. I don't think she ever liked living in the North. I don't think she ever adapted to the "fame" of her husband. I am positive she told him more than once NOT to talk about her or the family in sermons. She liked her privacy. Yes, after the Nischik - Biblical Evangelist explosion she removed the muzzle and yes they all went overboard (the portrait on the Walker bldg was stupid).

Years ago when I asked why Linda was not around and nearly never mentioned I was told my a man who shared the platform with Dr Hyles across the country in conferences that Linda's behavior made Dave look like an angel. I was taken back by that. But in her recent expose' .... I am beginning to believe she is the manipulator and whatever she learned in that area maybe it wasn't from dad but mom...

I have always believed Mrs Hyles resented the move from Texas and Dr Hyles absences. I am convinced she blamed Dr H (by being gone so much) for Dave's downfall and muzzled him from dealing with it as he should have. I believe he dolled her up and spoiled her as a means of keeping her happy and satisified. In other words, she manipulated him. Dr Hyles had a mistress ... NO, not Jennie Nischik ... First Baptist-The Ministry-The Work. That's where he got his satisifaction and fulfillment.

At his death Mrs Hyles statement as to his genuine Christianity was an acknowledgement on her part that he had remained faithful, loyal, and loving to her and the family.
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This whole quote is crap. The reason Beverly Hyles said what she said is this: If she ever revealed how bad it was, everyone, and I mean averyone would say "Why didn't you expose him?" She was totally afraid of him. He gave her money and stuff and fame and she loved that. To her dying day, she kept her mouth shut. I have to give her that.
 
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