Mrs. Hyles and the kids

[Evelyn]

Because I was a hac student and did not belong in the same room with the big name preeechers. Maybe he had just passed gas or something. I don't know but I knew I was not welcome as far as he was concerned.

Because he is a busy man and he doesn't use his work to build people, he uses people to build his work. 

Well, we know that much is true; I just couldn't figure out what it had to do with hustling Balaam. lol

 

[RAIDER]

Because I was a hac student and did not belong in the same room with the big name preeechers. Maybe he had just passed gas or something. I don't know but I knew I was not welcome as far as he was concerned.

Because he is a busy man and he doesn't use his work to build people, he uses people to build his work. 

Well, we know that much is true; I just couldn't figure out what it had to do with hustling Balaam. lol

You stinkin' blonde Hackerette wannabe!!

 

[Evelyn]

Because I was a hac student and did not belong in the same room with the big name preeechers. Maybe he had just passed gas or something. I don't know but I knew I was not welcome as far as he was concerned.

Because he is a busy man and he doesn't use his work to build people, he uses people to build his work. 

Well, we know that much is true; I just couldn't figure out what it had to do with hustling Balaam. lol

You stinkin' blonde Hackerette wannabe!!

Wow - I don't think even MY aspirations are that high! lol

 

[RAIDER]

Wow - I don't think even MY aspirations are that high! lol

Sorry, without Teri on the FFF I have to deal harshly with someone.

 

[Evelyn]

Wow - I don't think even MY aspirations are that high! lol

Sorry, without Teri on the FFF I have to deal harshly with someone.

Then by all means, have at it. lol

 

[Fresh Air]

Raider - can't believe I'm saying this - uses far better grammar and sentence structure than Gray.  I wrote to Gray once and asked him to use a proofreader.  He didn't publish my comment.  I was hurt.  :'(

...which is why, no matter how much he reads the forum, he will never post here. He can't handle contradiction/disagreement, like many other preachers I know. It is one of the primary reasons young pastors are leaving our movement.

I have a question about your last statement regarding young pastors leaving the movement:  are you meaning that they don't like being questioned, or they don't have answers to the questions?  Or both?

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

 

[prophet]

Raider - can't believe I'm saying this - uses far better grammar and sentence structure than Gray.  I wrote to Gray once and asked him to use a proofreader.  He didn't publish my comment.  I was hurt.  :'(

...which is why, no matter how much he reads the forum, he will never post here. He can't handle contradiction/disagreement, like many other preachers I know. It is one of the primary reasons young pastors are leaving our movement.

I have a question about your last statement regarding young pastors leaving the movement:  are you meaning that they don't like being questioned, or they don't have answers to the questions?  Or both?

It means the under 40 group is tired of rules without reason.

I turned 40 in February  and I don't like your new rule about 40 and under.

Anishinabe

 

[prophet]

Raider - can't believe I'm saying this - uses far better grammar and sentence structure than Gray.  I wrote to Gray once and asked him to use a proofreader.  He didn't publish my comment.  I was hurt.  :'(

...which is why, no matter how much he reads the forum, he will never post here. He can't handle contradiction/disagreement, like many other preachers I know. It is one of the primary reasons young pastors are leaving our movement.

Someone told me, or I heard it here, i don't know which, that Gray does not like other preachers.
I did not believe them, until after a meeting nearby when I went to talk to him, and asked him a question about something.
He was very brief, brusque almost, and quickly moved on to someone else.
He barely acknowledged my question or presence.
It was one of those things that made me go...hmmmm.

I can't believe what a bunch of rookies you all are. Send Bob a check!!! Tell him it is for support of his ministries. Buy a case of books. Send a check for the independent baptist conferences and you will get all the attention from him you need. Sheesh !!!

Seriously, when I was a hac student I carried a box of books for Carl Hatch to the "hospitality room" that they had for all the big shots at one of the conferences. Bob couldn't wait for me to put the box down quickly enough and hustle me out of the room and shut the door. And I had never met him but first impressions are quite strong. Mine was not good as far as he was concerned.

That is exactly him! A self-important blow hard.

Anishinabe

 

[Binaca Chugger]

Raider - can't believe I'm saying this - uses far better grammar and sentence structure than Gray.  I wrote to Gray once and asked him to use a proofreader.  He didn't publish my comment.  I was hurt.  :'(

...which is why, no matter how much he reads the forum, he will never post here. He can't handle contradiction/disagreement, like many other preachers I know. It is one of the primary reasons young pastors are leaving our movement.

I have a question about your last statement regarding young pastors leaving the movement:  are you meaning that they don't like being questioned, or they don't have answers to the questions?  Or both?

It means the under 40 group is tired of rules without reason.

I turned 40 in February  and I don't like your new rule about 40 and under.

Anishinabe

Your over the hill you old geezer! 

 

[RAIDER]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

And today there are a multitude of "whys".

 

[RAIDER]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted.   

 

[bgwilkinson]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted. 

Yes Bro. Hyles was a my way or the highway kinda guy. guy He often said I may have been wrong one time, I just don't remember when that might have been.
We should not be dogmatic about doubtful things. It makes one look like an idiot.
One should be able to support ones views with historically accurate facts, if not just remain silent.

 

[deertracks]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted. 

Yes Bro. Hyles was a my way or the highway kinda guy. guy He often said I may have been wrong one time, I just don't remember when that might have been.
We should not be dogmatic about doubtful things. It makes one look like an idiot.
One should be able to support ones views with historically accurate facts, if not just remain silent.

I have a memory where the issue of the gap theroy came up and my recollection tells me Jorgenson and Hyles disagreed and that Jorgenson went to Hyles and asked him how he should handle it. Supposedly Dr Hyles told him" to teach it the way he believes but leave some room for the rest of us" This may be some sort of urban legend and actually never happened but I remember being told the story.

 

[16KJV11]

Raider - can't believe I'm saying this - uses far better grammar and sentence structure than Gray.  I wrote to Gray once and asked him to use a proofreader.  He didn't publish my comment.  I was hurt.  :'(

...which is why, no matter how much he reads the forum, he will never post here. He can't handle contradiction/disagreement, like many other preachers I know. It is one of the primary reasons young pastors are leaving our movement.

Someone told me, or I heard it here, i don't know which, that Gray does not like other preachers.
I did not believe them, until after a meeting nearby when I went to talk to him, and asked him a question about something.
He was very brief, brusque almost, and quickly moved on to someone else.
He barely acknowledged my question or presence.
It was one of those things that made me go...hmmmm.

I can't believe what a bunch of rookies you all are. Send Bob a check!!! Tell him it is for support of his ministries. Buy a case of books. Send a check for the independent baptist conferences and you will get all the attention from him you need. Sheesh !!!

Seriously, when I was a hac student I carried a box of books for Carl Hatch to the "hospitality room" that they had for all the big shots at one of the conferences. Bob couldn't wait for me to put the box down quickly enough and hustle me out of the room and shut the door. And I had never met him but first impressions are quite strong. Mine was not good as far as he was concerned.

That is exactly him! A self-important blow hard.

Anishinabe

Actually, it must have been the breath, eh?
Coffee breath that is, Eight O' Clock to be exact.
None of that sissy Starbucks or Community coffee for me.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted. 

Yes Bro. Hyles was a my way or the highway kinda guy. guy He often said I may have been wrong one time, I just don't remember when that might have been.
We should not be dogmatic about doubtful things. It makes one look like an idiot.
One should be able to support ones views with historically accurate facts, if not just remain silent.

I have a memory where the issue of the gap theroy came up and my recollection tells me Jorgenson and Hyles disagreed and that Jorgenson went to Hyles and asked him how he should handle it. Supposedly Dr Hyles told him" to teach it the way he believes but leave some room for the rest of us" This may be some sort of urban legend and actually never happened but I remember being told the story.

You are exactly right.  That story was told before the lecture.  Became a conversation in the dorms later along the lines of "stand for what you believe in, or does it matter" that became rather heated.  Thus, I remember it well.

I think the story provides some insight to others that Bro. Hyles was not the dictator many haters want to make him out to be.  Again, it was the minions!

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted. 

Yes Bro. Hyles was a my way or the highway kinda guy. guy He often said I may have been wrong one time, I just don't remember when that might have been.
We should not be dogmatic about doubtful things. It makes one look like an idiot.
One should be able to support ones views with historically accurate facts, if not just remain silent.

The statement is a joke.  It was always said "tongue-in-cheek."  Context in king.  You are developing a habit of (willfully?) taking things out of context to promote your opinion.  I know someone else who had such a habit.  His story is quite public and a matter of record.

 

[RAIDER]

I think the story provides some insight to others that Bro. Hyles was not the dictator many haters want to make him out to be.  Again, it was the minions!

The minions did cause a lot of the issues.  Things said and done by this group were attributed to Dr. Hyles.  I do believe he should have monitored a few of them a bit more carefully.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Thinking of Mrs. Hyles.

Here is what she has been enjoying at First Baptist Dallas the last few weeks.

Brooklyn Tabernacle Singers - PM Worship on Vimeo

20130421 1100 Worship on Vimeo

20130407_1800 Charles Billingsly on Vimeo

The Art of Living Well - 1100 Worship on Vimeo

20130407 1100 Entire Worship Mix on Vimeo

Brooklyn Tabernacle Singers - AM Worship on Vimeo


Well you get the idea. Hope you are viewing these in HD on at least a 60" monitor with a big sound system attached to your computer.
What do you think?

The lighting is really good in their new auditorium maybe you can pick her out in the audience. I did not see her in the choir.

When you visit First Dallas make sure you attend Mrs. Hyles Sunday School class.

Here the info you need to find it.

Mission Minded Department: Beverly Hyles|9:15 AM

Life Stage: Women

Life Stage: Senior Adults

Teacher: Hyles

Location Email: WC322

Class Type: Women    Age: 70+ Class assembly in CC509/523

See you there?
Man what a  130 million dollars can do.

 

[Just John]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted. 

Yes Bro. Hyles was a my way or the highway kinda guy. guy He often said I may have been wrong one time, I just don't remember when that might have been.
We should not be dogmatic about doubtful things. It makes one look like an idiot.
One should be able to support ones views with historically accurate facts, if not just remain silent.

The statement is a joke.  It was always said "tongue-in-cheek."  Context in king.  You are developing a habit of (willfully?) taking things out of context to promote your opinion.  I know someone else who had such a habit.  His story is quite public and a matter of record.

Certainly it's an old joke, one that most of us have probably heard. But if said often enough and more importantly exhibited in actions and other words it does make one look like an idiot.


Edited just to highlight my original words in context for Binaca 

 

[Binaca Chugger]

I meant that b/c younger pastors do not feel like questions are welcomed/encouraged by the movers/shakers of fundamentalism that they sometimes grow to think that those same leaders don't want to hear questions because they don't have any answers. Young preachers are often like teenagers. They are growing into themselves, and into their own mind, and wonder 'why?' a lot. If they aren't given the room by some wise old man to ask that, and then given answers by wise old men they may just jump ship to a different Christian boat.

I believe that was a weakness at HAC.  It was a "Here is what we believe and if you believe different you had better be quiet about it or we will show you the door".  Now, I do understand that philosophy to a point.  Without some level of that rule things could be a real mess.

It would have been nice to have more open discussions in some classes.  A great example would have been the KJV issue.  When I was at HAC you could not promote the KJV as God's perfect, inspired, preserved Word.  I had a friend that believed just that.  If you spoke out you would have been branded a Ruckmanite and shown the door.  It would have been nice if there would have been a class where topics such as this could have been viewed and discussed from both angles with the view of HAC being the one promoted. 

Yes Bro. Hyles was a my way or the highway kinda guy. guy He often said I may have been wrong one time, I just don't remember when that might have been.
We should not be dogmatic about doubtful things. It makes one look like an idiot.
One should be able to support ones views with historically accurate facts, if not just remain silent.

The statement is a joke.  It was always said "tongue-in-cheek."  Context in king.  You are developing a habit of (willfully?) taking things out of context to promote your opinion.  I know someone else who had such a habit.  His story is quite public and a matter of record.

Certainly it's an old joke, one that most of us have probably heard. But if said often enough and more importantly exhibited in actions and other words it does make one look like an idiot.

So you don't like people repeating jokes.  Ok.  That hardly makes one guilty of the attributes the poster was attempting to ascribe him because he told a joke.

My point is that many people are pulling things out of context in efforts to promote untruth, or their version of truth.  This truly is bearing false witness.