It is NOT a sin for any woman to wear a pair of pants. What a crazy belief.

[jbh28]

When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.

Thank you.  At least your honest.  But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.

The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!

Culture does have a big part in how we apply biblical truths. Culture doesn't dictate biblical truth, but it has a huge part in how we apply those truths.

 

[T-Bone]

When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.

Thank you.  At least your honest.  But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.

The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!

Culture does have a big part in how we apply biblical truths. Culture doesn't dictate biblical truth, but it has a huge part in how we apply those truths.

Frag knows that...if he didn't he would rename his church...Burka Baptist Church!

 

[Frag]

When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.

Thank you.  At least your honest.  But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.

The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!

Culture does have a big part in how we apply biblical truths. Culture doesn't dictate biblical truth, but it has a huge part in how we apply those truths.

Frag knows that...if he didn't he would rename his church...Burka Baptist Church!

Culotte Christian Fellowship.....much more contemporary....

 

[JrChurch]

FRAG- Well..........................once.............

....was having surgery............

........when they wheeled me to the operating room, I had on three things.....a gown, a hair net, and a pair of white panti-hose.......

.....as I was going under, I was muttering,  "It's over...........my ministry is over............"

I love your humor.  Almost thou persuadest me to join the Culotte Christian Fellowship.

 

[The Real Bob]

Good thing no one here has the tendency to over-reach! :

What we need is a "Compendium of 'Pro-Dresses on Women Only' Articles".  ;D

 

[T-Bone]

Good thing no one here has the tendency to over-reach! :

What we need is a "Compendium of 'Pro-Dresses on Women Only' Articles".  ;D

Calling hreb....hreb are you there?

 

[brianb]

When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.

Thank you.  At least your honest.  But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.

The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!

Not all women who wear pants do so because of the culture. Some people have made the assumption that Rock music was what influenced most women to wear pants. Funny thing is my grandmother wore pants and she hated Rock music. Also my grandfather's sister who is still alive wears pants and has been doing so for about 40 years maybe longer and she is over 95. They had/have their own reason for wearing them - of course you'd rather that no woman use their own reason - to you it is either world or the Devil that is influencing them or it is God - no such thing as an independent thought, right?

By the way Frag, do you wear jeans? If so, why? Weren`t they at one time considered rebellious just as pants for women were?

And for the record, women did wear (men`s) pants for outdoor work at least 100 years ago. And even in Paris, France in 1800 a women could wear pants if she had authorization. This idea that even some women only wore pants in the twentieth century because of some worldly influence is false. Originally women wore them for doing certain types of work and there is nothing wrong with work is there. It wasn't until some actress started wearing them that it was seen outside the context of outdoor labor.

 

[Frag]

FRAG- Well..........................once.............

....was having surgery............

........when they wheeled me to the operating room, I had on three things.....a gown, a hair net, and a pair of white panti-hose.......

.....as I was going under, I was muttering,  "It's over...........my ministry is over............"

I love your humor.  Almost thou persuadest me to join the Culotte Christian Fellowship.

  You are always a blessing.  One of the saving graces of life -- not to take yourself too seriously....

 

[Frag]

When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.

Thank you.  At least your honest.  But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.

The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!

Not all women who wear pants do so because of the culture. Some people have made the assumption that Rock music was what influenced most women to wear pants. Funny thing is my grandmother wore pants and she hated Rock music. Also my grandfather's sister who is still alive wears pants and has been doing so for about 40 years maybe longer and she is over 95. They had/have their own reason for wearing them - of course you'd rather that no woman use their own reason - to you it is either world or the Devil that is influencing them or it is God - no such thing as an independent thought, right?

By the way Frag, do you wear jeans? If so, why? Weren`t they at one time considered rebellious just as pants for women were?

And for the record, women did wear (men`s) pants for outdoor work at least 100 years ago. And even in Paris, France in 1800 a women could wear pants if she had authorization. This idea that even some women only wore pants in the twentieth century because of some worldly influence is false. Originally women wore them for doing certain types of work and there is nothing wrong with work is there. It wasn't until some actress started wearing them that it was seen outside the context of outdoor labor.

So, here are your arguments for women wearing pants....

1.  "Some people" believe rock music made women start wearing pants.  (never heard that one....)
2.  Your grandfather's sister who is 95 has been doing so for 40 years.  (OK. That means she started in the 1970s...when most other "Christian" women gave in to the culture.  So?)
3.  I am against "independent thought".  (Yep.  I do not think every man - or woman - should do what is right in their own eyes.  I believe they should base their decisions on the word of God).
4.  Me wearing jeans are as "rebellious" as a woman wearing pants.  (Wow.  Well, maybe if the "jeans" I was wearing was a denim skirt...)
5.  Women need to wear them to do outdoor work.  (Nope.  Raised on a farm, ladies in our family did a lot of outdoor work in skirts.  If they couldn't do it modestly in a skirt, guess what?  Men did it for em while they made supper.)
6.  It's been OK in France for years.  (Wow....just what I hope America becomes....................France.) 


Well, I certainly can't argue with THAT amazing logic.... ;D

 

[Bro Blue]

Frag, are you saying there has been no cultural infiltration in your church period?

 

[T-Bone]

Frag, are you saying there has been no cultural infiltration in your church period?

Of course not...they are proponents of the "old paths"....they are wearing burkas and sacraficing lambs, and they don't even have electricity! :

 

[Bro Blue]

Probably still reading from scrolls....

 

[brianb]

When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.

Thank you.  At least your honest.  But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.

The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!

Not all women who wear pants do so because of the culture. Some people have made the assumption that Rock music was what influenced most women to wear pants. Funny thing is my grandmother wore pants and she hated Rock music. Also my grandfather's sister who is still alive wears pants and has been doing so for about 40 years maybe longer and she is over 95. They had/have their own reason for wearing them - of course you'd rather that no woman use their own reason - to you it is either world or the Devil that is influencing them or it is God - no such thing as an independent thought, right?

By the way Frag, do you wear jeans? If so, why? Weren`t they at one time considered rebellious just as pants for women were?

And for the record, women did wear (men`s) pants for outdoor work at least 100 years ago. And even in Paris, France in 1800 a women could wear pants if she had authorization. This idea that even some women only wore pants in the twentieth century because of some worldly influence is false. Originally women wore them for doing certain types of work and there is nothing wrong with work is there. It wasn't until some actress started wearing them that it was seen outside the context of outdoor labor.

So, here are your arguments for women wearing pants....

1.  "Some people" believe rock music made women start wearing pants.  (never heard that one....)
2.  Your grandfather's sister who is 95 has been doing so for 40 years.  (OK. That means she started in the 1970s...when most other "Christian" women gave in to the culture.  So?)
3.  I am against "independent thought".  (Yep.  I do not think every man - or woman - should do what is right in their own eyes.  I believe they should base their decisions on the word of God).
4.  Me wearing jeans are as "rebellious" as a woman wearing pants.  (Wow.  Well, maybe if the "jeans" I was wearing was a denim skirt...)
5.  Women need to wear them to do outdoor work.  (Nope.  Raised on a farm, ladies in our family did a lot of outdoor work in skirts.  If they couldn't do it modestly in a skirt, guess what?  Men did it for em while they made supper.)
6.  It's been OK in France for years.  (Wow....just what I hope America becomes....................France.) 


Well, I certainly can't argue with THAT amazing logic.... ;D

I didn't say jeans are rebellious. I'm just saying that people change their view of things and that's how the culture changes. The culture changes when people change. I do agree that God should influence what we do but are you consistent - do you make sure anything you buy to eat or wear won't offend any one or displease the Lord?

And aren't you saying it is a sin when you say it is an abomination - it's the same thing, you know? Sodomy is an abomination too as well as a sin and sodomy has immediate consequences to a person's health not just in the hereafter.  I guess you think that because we live in the dispensation of grace that God is just going to put the consequences for this "abomination" on hold. Why doesn't God chastise those Christian women who wear pants if it is a sin? In the New Testament there a number of Christians who got sick and died because of their actions because God still chastises his children to varying degrees and there is a sin unto death. There are consequences to all sins in this life. I think you already believe that women will be judged for wearing pants they thought were modest but you are just afraid to say it. Do you realize that that makes you a neo-fundie when you hold of saying what you really believe - saying something is an abomination and not mentioning the consequences is not what the old fundies did? The old fundies were not to afraid to say such things.  I don't think you believe as strongly as they did - it seems to me you are being influenced by the world yourself. Of course what you could do is not say anything at all and that would be better. If you are going to do things by the book (Bible) you need to not only point out the sin but the consequences as well. If you don't then don't say anything at all.


Btw, I'm not saying that a woman should try to look like a man just saying that certain pieces of clothing are not necessarily masculine or feminine. There are women who do such things - some like Chastity (now Chaz) Bono have gone so far as change their gender surgically and with hormones. I don't know any women who is a Christian who would do such things. What about women with short hair? I don't have a problem with it but I know women who only wear dresses or skirts who have short hair - at one time short hair for a woman was rebellious yet now it is accepted by many IFB women. I'm sure if you were agreed with Rice and Hyles you'd probably not allow that - that is just my guess.

 

[brianb]

Frag, are you saying there has been no cultural infiltration in your church period?

Of course not...they are proponents of the "old paths"....they are wearing burkas and sacraficing lambs, and they don't even have electricity! :

And yet he's using the internet.
If he really wants to be old-fashioned he should write all his thoughts on paper and send it by mail to someone he knows on here and that person can send to someone else on here and so on - if he really wants to be old-fashioned he could send it by pony.

 

[Just me]

This should settle it.... : :

http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm

 

[Winston]

This should settle it.... : :

http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm

rule number 7 of 12.  Now if this doesn't settle it nothing will..

when the Virgin Mary appears in apparitions, she is always wearing a dress, never pants. All of the images and statues of her throughout the history of the Church present her wearing a dress, never pants.

 

[brianb]

This should settle it.... : :

http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm

Catholic Fundies
Twelfth, when a woman gives up wearing pants and strives to dress in a manner pleasing to Christ and Mary, even though the culture around her tells her otherwise, she will be blessed by God and her prayers will be answered.

I guess God isn't answering a lot of prayers.

 

[Just me]

This should settle it.... : :

http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm

rule number 7 of 12.  Now if this doesn't settle it nothing will..

when the Virgin Mary appears in apparitions, she is always wearing a dress, never pants. All of the images and statues of her throughout the history of the Church present her wearing a dress, never pants.

And number 12 also

"Twelfth, when a woman gives up wearing pants and strives to dress in a manner pleasing to Christ and Mary, even though the culture around her tells her otherwise, she will be blessed by God and her prayers will be answered. "

Sorry brianb beat me to it.

 

[brianb]

This should settle it.... : :

http://www.catholicplanet.com/women/dress.htm

rule number 7 of 12.  Now if this doesn't settle it nothing will..

when the Virgin Mary appears in apparitions, she is always wearing a dress, never pants. All of the images and statues of her throughout the history of the Church present her wearing a dress, never pants.

Even if it were Mary why would she be wearing pants?  I don't believe they have pants in heaven.

 

[The Real Bob]

It's obvious when one reads Frag's responses, we can ALL be glad we got as far away as possible from IFBX cults like his.  Honest to God, how could anyone follow a control freak, puffed-up, narcissist like that? I feel sorry for those people. Seriously! But, now we know how OBAMA got elected. There are just stupid, brains full of mush people out there!