Frag said:I should. That would take copies sold to double digits!!!!
If he were a big shot like Bob Gray he could just make his preacher friends buy cases of his book.
Frag said:I should. That would take copies sold to double digits!!!!
Frag said:jbh28 said:When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.
Thank you. At least your honest. But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.
The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!
T-Bone said:Frag said:jbh28 said:When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.
Thank you. At least your honest. But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.
The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!
Could you then show us in the Bible wear pants or slacks are only men's wear? You say they are because of the cultural influence, not because the Bible even deals with the issue of pants on women. You contradicted yourself...oooppps!
ALAYMAN said:I don't believe pants on women are a sin.
I don't think we should get our Christian theology and beliefs from cultural practices or expectations.
It is a fact however, that Christians of yesteryear viewed britches on women as less than favorable, immodest, manly, or a combination of all the above(based on Deut 22:5 et al).
Frag said:ALAYMAN said:I don't believe pants on women are a sin.
I don't think we should get our Christian theology and beliefs from cultural practices or expectations.
It is a fact however, that Christians of yesteryear viewed britches on women as less than favorable, immodest, manly, or a combination of all the above(based on Deut 22:5 et al).
Yep. But we all got so much smarter and holier the last 50 years....... :-\
Frag said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:THE ONLY way you will convince me that pants on women is not a sin is to.......
......spend the next 5 YEARS writing a book on it!
Ready, set, go....
Once you order his other one and read it, then maybe he will write that one for you.
I should. That would take copies sold to double digits!!!!
Frag said:T-Bone said:Frag said:jbh28 said:When people say it's a "sin" for a women to wear pants, it's usually because the leadership has failed to teach the biblical truth. What can happen over time is application of biblical truth will replace the actual biblical truth. It is biblical for men to dress like men and women to dress like women. So how do we apply that today in 2012 America? Someone asked if a man could wear a dress. Is a dress typically believed to be a man's garment? No, of course not. Is a pair of pants typically believed to be a woman garment? Yes, of course. Pants are an item of clothing that both men and women wear. So it's fine for a woman to wear pants. Now, many years ago women only wore dresses and never pants. But that's not the case today. Anyone that teaches that today is elevating application to a biblical truth level.
Thank you. At least your honest. But what you are saying is that you will allow the culture to set the standard...what is acceptable in the world is what should be acceptable for the Christian.
The culture is not to set our standards - Bible principles are to set our standards in all areas of our life -- even dress!
Could you then show us in the Bible wear pants or slacks are only men's wear? You say they are because of the cultural influence, not because the Bible even deals with the issue of pants on women. You contradicted yourself...oooppps!
No contradiction at all. Our goal is not to dress ANTI culture. The goal is to examine all the Bible says about how we are to dress, list the Bible commands and principles, then find within our culture (if possible) garments that honor those principles.
There is NO WAY that a pair of pants on a woman honors the Bible principles of modesty, shamefaceness and femininity.
Top said:Frag said:ALAYMAN said:I don't believe pants on women are a sin.
I don't think we should get our Christian theology and beliefs from cultural practices or expectations.
It is a fact however, that Christians of yesteryear viewed britches on women as less than favorable, immodest, manly, or a combination of all the above(based on Deut 22:5 et al).
Yep. But we all got so much smarter and holier the last 50 years....... :-\
We deserve to go to hell back then. We still deserve it now, regardless of what we wear.
Frag said:Top said:Frag said:ALAYMAN said:I don't believe pants on women are a sin.
I don't think we should get our Christian theology and beliefs from cultural practices or expectations.
It is a fact however, that Christians of yesteryear viewed britches on women as less than favorable, immodest, manly, or a combination of all the above(based on Deut 22:5 et al).
Yep. But we all got so much smarter and holier the last 50 years....... :-\
We deserve to go to hell back then. We still deserve it now, regardless of what we wear.
Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
bruinboy said:Frag said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:THE ONLY way you will convince me that pants on women is not a sin is to.......
......spend the next 5 YEARS writing a book on it!
Ready, set, go....
Once you order his other one and read it, then maybe he will write that one for you.
I should. That would take copies sold to double digits!!!!
Glad to see you here Frag, someone to get daily entertainment from. Now if we can just get TRB, pastor marty and pastor zero-neal to join you, we would have a foursome of idiots and maybe between you all, you could get to a collective Biblical IQ to double digits. ;D
Have a good day my friend.
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Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
Frag said:So as long as a Christian woman is doing good works, a string bikini becomes acceptable?
Frag said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
So as long as a Christian woman is doing good works, a string bikini becomes acceptable?
Oh the desperation....
T-Bone said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
Frag wears dresses? : ;D
Frag said:T-Bone said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
Frag wears dresses? : ;D
Well..........................once.............
....was having surgery............
........when they wheeled me to the operating room, I had on three things.....a gown, a hair net, and a pair of white panti-hose.......
.....as I was going under, I was muttering, "It's over...........my ministry is over............"
Frag said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
So as long as a Christian woman is doing good works, a string bikini becomes acceptable?
Oh the desperation....
T-Bone said:Frag said:T-Bone said:Mathew Ward said:Frag said:Yep, we did and do. What's your point? "Let's make sure we live so everyone knows it!"
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 5:16
See your good works not your dresses
Frag wears dresses? : ;D
Well..........................once.............
....was having surgery............
........when they wheeled me to the operating room, I had on three things.....a gown, a hair net, and a pair of white panti-hose.......
.....as I was going under, I was muttering, "It's over...........my ministry is over............"
Oh to have a camera....ROFL!