Is it ok for a woman to wear a bikini to the beach?

[brianb]

lol.  Bikinis are immodest.  Let's be honest about our sexuality and carnality. 

Nunamybidness who wears them, but let's not pretend that they're modest.

Just because some lines are different in different cultures, doesn't mean there are no lines.

Ok.  So you've got me stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Yes, I posted that sometime back.  Let my explain my position and also say that I don't expect anyone else here to be convinced by it.  But here it is--

I do believe that I am required to conduct myself according to the Word of God in every area of life.  This includes how I worship, what I wear and what I listen to.  That is my main operating principle.

In carefully searching the scripture, I do find that it has a lot to say by way of application about what I may listen to.  I am to avoid "filthy communication."  I am not to delight myself in things that glorify and extoll sinful behavior.  I am to think on things that are good, wholesome, beautiful.  Others may disagree with me here, but I do not see that only "Christian" art (include music here) may be enjoyed-- but at the same time, the other parameters still apply.  Finding "rock" music that does not glorify sinful conduct is quite a challenge, and quite honestly, my record collection is indeed very slim.  But what I do have, I do enjoy, but never want to use my liberty as an opprtunity for another to stumble.  And as always, I strive to be humble and teachable-- always ready to lay it aside as soon as I am convicted by another brother or by the Holy Spirit by the means of the scripture that it does indeed bring a reproach upon Christ by disobedience to His Word.  IOW, I hold it very lightly.

Now in applying my music tastes to the worship of God-- I simply don't.  God regulates His worship by His Word, and nothing that He has not permitted is to be permitted in corporate worship.  Singing in worship is to consist of "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs," sung corporately (not by a performer or by performers) in a way suited to worshiping the eternal King of Kings.  Simply put the music of the world has no place in the corporate worship of God.

I agree to an extent and this is how I view art as well, but I think I am more careful about the standard that says, "glorify sinful behavior."

I watch a lot of shows that depict sinful behavior, but do not glorify it.  By that I mean, they depict fallen people in a fallen world making fallen choices and show the consequences of those decisions.  Glorifying sinful behavior would be more akin to showing sin and making it seem enticing and pleasurable without showing any consequences of those actions, IMO.

Showing sinfulness and the consequences of it glorify God by showing the goodness of His love for us in giving us His laws and commands.

I agree. Men need to man up and be honest with themselves and take this matter seriously. I personally have decided much in the same way Job did (except in his case there were no girls in bikinis in his culture) not to look purposely at a woman in a bikini especially an attractive woman - no matter if it is outside or most likely on the internet and I don't subscribe to Sports Illustrated but it is very easy to just go to the Sports Illustrated Website and check out the photos from the swimsuit there - man alive whatever happened to paying to see things like that - in the 80's we had to pay for a magazine to see all those photos of Kathy Ireland. I think that's part of the problem - so much is free now. However I have never nor will ever pay for something I shouldn't be seeing any ways. Magazines like Sports Illustrated and Maxim are not catalogues - they are not for selling bikinis - they are for men to be titillated by the photos - it doesn't take much for men to get aroused - they don't even have to think - they see a photo of someone like Kate Upton for just a few seconds and they are hooked - her image has become an idol at that moment and he may even want to see more photos of her and maybe of others. For some it may lead them into porn - when you are in that mindset looking at a woman in a state of undress you shouldn't be looking at you are not walking in the Spirit so porn is very tempting. Only your wife deserves that kind of attention. Now I'm not married but I'm convinced that if I fall into the same trap while I'm single I'm probably going to do the same thing when I'm married and commit mental adultery. By the way the modern bikini - not the bikini that Roman woman wore for their private gym exercises in ancient times - was invented by a man who couldn't find a professional model to wear it - so he got a nude dancer - not surprising it was men who liked - most women hated it even though the inventor said he saw women in France rolling up the more modest swimsuits they had to get a better tan - that was in the 1940's - it wasn't until sometime in the 1950's when more women liked the idea of wearing one. I don't mind it if a woman wears a bikini on a beach I just don't want to see it which is why I don't go to the beach when they are around and there is usually a lot of them when it is hot and odds are I'll see it least one that looks good in one.

 

[brianb]

God's commandments require modesty in dress.  God's commandments forbid immodesty in dress.  The fact that some "christians" advocate wearing something akin to a few band-aids and a bit of dental floss in public show the scant regard given to God's commandments these days.  We profess to "love Jesus," but want nothing to do with doing what he commands.  Bro. Tom is right-- such worldlings are ripe to be "spewed-out" in detestation.

To allow American "culture" to determine the acceptability of attire for Christians is silly.  The same "culture" praises sexual promiscuity, places great value on lust, justifies the murder of children conceived as the result of sexual sin, and is hell-bent on glorifying the creature rather than the Creator.  It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc. We are commanded to "come out and be seperate," but we have become so enslaved to our pagan culture that we treat those with a remnant of conviction in this area as over-zealous, legalistic kooks.

At the root is a "Christianity" that places will-worship in the place that rightly belongs to God.  Any token nod of the head given to the requirement of modesty is quickly followed by an obfusication guised as an illuminated thought that 'God never specifies just what must be covered up'-- as though God is incapable of giving a clear directive.  A mind set firmly in a desire to obey, however, seeks not a line which may be approached as closely as possible without transgression, but rather seeks to steer clear and far from any hint of wantonness and laciviousness.

Does a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

My wife wears a bathing suit to the beach and I have never considered it "immodest". In fact, I consider her choice to be rather conservative. Now I am certain you will ask "conservative" by what standard? I would say by "God's standard". Most bible verses used to talk of "modest" dress.....reference a women's attempt to look "expensive". In like manner.....James spoke of this when he spoke of "gay" apparel. While I'm not for dressing like a "whore". Do you really consider a women in a bikini to be dressing like a "whore"?

Does a tight T-shirt and short pants on a man equally cause problems for a women? How about a trim fit...."muscular" appearance?

I have never personally known of a situation were a 'bikini" started an affair. Usually it doesn't take such to cause a man's mind to "stray". There have been a many adulterous women/man that found their "prey" at a local "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church". Paul even spoke of how "silly women" are easy lead astray. (not targeting women. Men are as well)

[bDoes a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

][/b]

I suffer the same temptations common to every man.  Yes, seeing immodest dress is an opportunity for immodest thoughts.  If I entertain immodest thoughts, the sin is mine, since no temptation comes without a way of escape and my duty is to make use of it.  I am to gird up the loins of my mind and flee sexual temptation.  If she is dressed immodestly, in such a way to provoke immodest thoughts, the sin is hers. She is to dress with modest apparel.  If she tempts and I succomb the sin is both of ours.  Not too hard.

I challenge you to biblically associate "modest apparel" with anything other than looking "expensive".

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought? Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation? If not, then why not?

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church? Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

 

[christundivided]

God's commandments require modesty in dress.  God's commandments forbid immodesty in dress.  The fact that some "christians" advocate wearing something akin to a few band-aids and a bit of dental floss in public show the scant regard given to God's commandments these days.  We profess to "love Jesus," but want nothing to do with doing what he commands.  Bro. Tom is right-- such worldlings are ripe to be "spewed-out" in detestation.

To allow American "culture" to determine the acceptability of attire for Christians is silly.  The same "culture" praises sexual promiscuity, places great value on lust, justifies the murder of children conceived as the result of sexual sin, and is hell-bent on glorifying the creature rather than the Creator.  It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc. We are commanded to "come out and be seperate," but we have become so enslaved to our pagan culture that we treat those with a remnant of conviction in this area as over-zealous, legalistic kooks.

At the root is a "Christianity" that places will-worship in the place that rightly belongs to God.  Any token nod of the head given to the requirement of modesty is quickly followed by an obfusication guised as an illuminated thought that 'God never specifies just what must be covered up'-- as though God is incapable of giving a clear directive.  A mind set firmly in a desire to obey, however, seeks not a line which may be approached as closely as possible without transgression, but rather seeks to steer clear and far from any hint of wantonness and laciviousness.

Does a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

My wife wears a bathing suit to the beach and I have never considered it "immodest". In fact, I consider her choice to be rather conservative. Now I am certain you will ask "conservative" by what standard? I would say by "God's standard". Most bible verses used to talk of "modest" dress.....reference a women's attempt to look "expensive". In like manner.....James spoke of this when he spoke of "gay" apparel. While I'm not for dressing like a "whore". Do you really consider a women in a bikini to be dressing like a "whore"?

Does a tight T-shirt and short pants on a man equally cause problems for a women? How about a trim fit...."muscular" appearance?

I have never personally known of a situation were a 'bikini" started an affair. Usually it doesn't take such to cause a man's mind to "stray". There have been a many adulterous women/man that found their "prey" at a local "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church". Paul even spoke of how "silly women" are easy lead astray. (not targeting women. Men are as well)

[bDoes a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

][/b]

I suffer the same temptations common to every man.  Yes, seeing immodest dress is an opportunity for immodest thoughts.  If I entertain immodest thoughts, the sin is mine, since no temptation comes without a way of escape and my duty is to make use of it.  I am to gird up the loins of my mind and flee sexual temptation.  If she is dressed immodestly, in such a way to provoke immodest thoughts, the sin is hers. She is to dress with modest apparel.  If she tempts and I succomb the sin is both of ours.  Not too hard.

I challenge you to biblically associate "modest apparel" with anything other than looking "expensive".

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought? Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation? If not, then why not?

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church? Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?

If you think that scriptural admonitions against nakedness have to do with not being caught wearing a lot of gold, I think that accepting that challenge would be a complete waste of my time.  It's apparent that words for you and me mean different things.

Oh come on.... You can do it. I asked a simple question... surely you can answer.

Its is abundantly clear that "modest apparel" in 1 Tim 2:9 is about looking "expensive".

Have you ever talked about women wearing "expensive" apparel before? or have you had immodest thoughts toward women wearing "expensive" clothes?

 

[christundivided]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

They do.... but I think there is more to it.

Its common for religious people to criticize the "bikini" crowd while ignoring the "church crowd". The command from Paul concerning "modest apparel" is often misapplied and ignored when applied corrected. Women in general have more a problem with a desire to look "expensive" than they ever will wearing a "bikini". There is more "women watching" and "flirting" going on in your average IFB church than you will ever find on your average beach. The average IFB church teaches that a women should look her "best" at church. Often this lacks any sense of "modesty".

I personally think this should be attended to before anyone thinks to talking about a "bikini" on some beach somewhere.

1Pe 4:17  For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?
1Pe 4:18  And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?

 

[rsc2a]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

You know...sometimes abdominoplasties (tummy tucks) are performed for reasons other than sheer vanity.  But it's kinda hard to castigate an particular "sin" when you have to make exceptions, isn't it? :

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Reformed guy]If you think that scriptural admonitions against nakedness have to do with not being caught wearing a lot of gold, I think that accepting that challenge would be a complete waste of my time.  It's apparent that words for you and me mean different things.

Oh come on.... You can do it. I asked a simple question... surely you can answer.

Its is abundantly clear that "modest apparel" in 1 Tim 2:9 is about looking "expensive".

Have you ever talked about women wearing "expensive" apparel before? or have you had immodest thoughts toward women wearing "expensive" clothes?[/quote]

Probably not...he still hasn't answered this one I asked him:

Do the females in your family have braided hair? Pierced ears? Do they get all their clothes secondhand?

 

[brianb]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

You know...sometimes abdominoplasties (tummy tucks) are performed for reasons other than sheer vanity.  But it's kinda hard to castigate an particular "sin" when you have to make exceptions, isn't it? :

I know. That's why added the words "to look better than other women" - those are the key words there. Health reasons is a different matter. Many women however who get a tummy tuck are pretty healthy any ways and are looking for an easy alternative to exercise. Tummy tuck is just an example - there are other ways like breast implants - certainly those don't make someone physically healthier - those are about raising self-esteem.

 

[Reformed Guy]

God's commandments require modesty in dress.  God's commandments forbid immodesty in dress.  The fact that some "christians" advocate wearing something akin to a few band-aids and a bit of dental floss in public show the scant regard given to God's commandments these days.  We profess to "love Jesus," but want nothing to do with doing what he commands.  Bro. Tom is right-- such worldlings are ripe to be "spewed-out" in detestation.

To allow American "culture" to determine the acceptability of attire for Christians is silly.  The same "culture" praises sexual promiscuity, places great value on lust, justifies the murder of children conceived as the result of sexual sin, and is hell-bent on glorifying the creature rather than the Creator.  It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc. We are commanded to "come out and be seperate," but we have become so enslaved to our pagan culture that we treat those with a remnant of conviction in this area as over-zealous, legalistic kooks.

At the root is a "Christianity" that places will-worship in the place that rightly belongs to God.  Any token nod of the head given to the requirement of modesty is quickly followed by an obfusication guised as an illuminated thought that 'God never specifies just what must be covered up'-- as though God is incapable of giving a clear directive.  A mind set firmly in a desire to obey, however, seeks not a line which may be approached as closely as possible without transgression, but rather seeks to steer clear and far from any hint of wantonness and laciviousness.

Does a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

My wife wears a bathing suit to the beach and I have never considered it "immodest". In fact, I consider her choice to be rather conservative. Now I am certain you will ask "conservative" by what standard? I would say by "God's standard". Most bible verses used to talk of "modest" dress.....reference a women's attempt to look "expensive". In like manner.....James spoke of this when he spoke of "gay" apparel. While I'm not for dressing like a "whore". Do you really consider a women in a bikini to be dressing like a "whore"?

Does a tight T-shirt and short pants on a man equally cause problems for a women? How about a trim fit...."muscular" appearance?

I have never personally known of a situation were a 'bikini" started an affair. Usually it doesn't take such to cause a man's mind to "stray". There have been a many adulterous women/man that found their "prey" at a local "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church". Paul even spoke of how "silly women" are easy lead astray. (not targeting women. Men are as well)

[bDoes a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

][/b]

I suffer the same temptations common to every man.  Yes, seeing immodest dress is an opportunity for immodest thoughts.  If I entertain immodest thoughts, the sin is mine, since no temptation comes without a way of escape and my duty is to make use of it.  I am to gird up the loins of my mind and flee sexual temptation.  If she is dressed immodestly, in such a way to provoke immodest thoughts, the sin is hers. She is to dress with modest apparel.  If she tempts and I succomb the sin is both of ours.  Not too hard.

I challenge you to biblically associate "modest apparel" with anything other than looking "expensive".

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought? Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation? If not, then why not?

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church? Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?

If you think that scriptural admonitions against nakedness have to do with not being caught wearing a lot of gold, I think that accepting that challenge would be a complete waste of my time.  It's apparent that words for you and me mean different things.

Oh come on.... You can do it. I asked a simple question... surely you can answer.

Its is abundantly clear that "modest apparel" in 1 Tim 2:9 is about looking "expensive".

Have you ever talked about women wearing "expensive" apparel before? or have you had immodest thoughts toward women wearing "expensive" clothes?

Pro 11:22  As a jewel of gold in a swine's snout, so is a fair woman which is without discretion.

The answer is "No."

No, I generally don't have a problem with lusting over swine's snouts.

 

[rsc2a]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

You know...sometimes abdominoplasties (tummy tucks) are performed for reasons other than sheer vanity.  But it's kinda hard to castigate an particular "sin" when you have to make exceptions, isn't it? :

I know. That's why added the words "to look better than other women" - those are the key words there. Health reasons is a different matter. Many women however who get a tummy tuck are pretty healthy any ways and are looking for an easy alternative to exercise.

Ahh! But what if they get it for medical reasons AND to look better? Getting a little harder to judge them then, isn't it?

 

[rsc2a]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

You know...sometimes abdominoplasties (tummy tucks) are performed for reasons other than sheer vanity.  But it's kinda hard to castigate an particular "sin" when you have to make exceptions, isn't it? :

I know. That's why added the words "to look better than other women" - those are the key words there. Health reasons is a different matter. Many women however who get a tummy tuck are pretty healthy any ways and are looking for an easy alternative to exercise. Tummy tuck is just an example - there are other ways like breast implants - certainly those don't make someone physically healthier - those are about raising self-esteem.

Because of your edits...

I'll make sure I condemn both my aunt and the women in my church who have implants after having their breasts removed due to cancer. After all, they didn't physically need them anymore and the whole reason they got them was to raise their self-esteem.  :

 

[Reformed Guy]

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought?

No not that I can recall

Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation?

All lust is sinful

If not, then why not?

See above

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church?

No, not that I can think of.  We have an extraordinarily godly sort

Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?

See above

 

[rsc2a]

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought?

No not that I can recall

Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation?

All lust is sinful

If not, then why not?

See above

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church?

No, not that I can think of.  We have an extraordinarily godly sort

Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?

See above

"The Pharisee, standing by himself, prayed thus:

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=rsc2a] I'll make sure I condemn both my aunt and the women in my church who have implants after having their breasts removed due to cancer. After all, they didn't physically need them anymore and the whole reason they got them was to raise their self-esteem.  :
[/quote]

You're such a boob.


Your auntie and women of your church aren't the issue.  At least 70% of augmentation is done for non-reconstructive purposes, and in 2010 that means that at least 200,000 vanity jobs were done, in America alone.  This culture is absolutely sex-saturated, and to deny such rises to the heights of sheer stupidity and ignorance.  Bikinis and such are just one small part of the carnal idolatrous mindset, which obviously also is part and parcel of the Laodicean "evangelical" tepid thinking that epitomizes the day (and the FFF).

 

[brianb]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

You know...sometimes abdominoplasties (tummy tucks) are performed for reasons other than sheer vanity.  But it's kinda hard to castigate an particular "sin" when you have to make exceptions, isn't it? :

I know. That's why added the words "to look better than other women" - those are the key words there. Health reasons is a different matter. Many women however who get a tummy tuck are pretty healthy any ways and are looking for an easy alternative to exercise.

Ahh! But what if they get it for medical reasons AND to look better? Getting a little harder to judge them then, isn't it?

These are just generalizations - I'm not judging any one. Every one has different reasons for getting a tummy tuck or whatever. Usually when someone says they got a tummy tuck they don't say they got it for health reasons. I don't have a problem with someone getting one if exercise won't work for them - this is especially true if they are obese and not just a little overweight. I've never seen any one at the gym who was obese - I have seen some "overweight" people but not obese. It's can be dangerous for someone like that to exercise especially the way I do - they would have to some type of surgery to make it easier to exercise. More people who are not obese now are getting into exercise because they know surgery can't replace that - it's also much cheaper. Medically unnecessary cosmetic surgery is not only expensive but a foolish way to spend money. Btw, when I go to the gym I do it for strength building - I don't focus on achieving a look. I think people should accept themselves the way they are. If they are healthy and not in the modelling or fitness business they should not be trying to look like a super-model or even a fitness model. There are few people who I would even consider to be immodest or obsessed with their looks. Even at the gym they don't look "that" good. The average person doesn't even care too much about their bodies. Most people just want to look healthy and decent - they don't want to try and look better than others because life is too short to worry about those things.

 

[Anchor]

Oh come on.... You can do it. I asked a simple question... surely you can answer.

Its is abundantly clear that "modest apparel" in 1 Tim 2:9 is about looking "expensive".

Have you ever talked about women wearing "expensive" apparel before? or have you had immodest thoughts toward women wearing "expensive" clothes?

It is a broad statement that addresses attire for the specific purpose of attracting attention to oneself.  That would include attire that is needlessly expensive, gaudy, indecent, or attire completely out of place.  Simply because the example utilized in that particular Scripture emphasizes only one specific application of the term does not change its definition or limit its application.

An Amish woman's attire and the basic bikini clad beach bunny may be equally immodest, just not in the same way.  The Amish woman attires herself to attract the attention of perfect strangers (tourists), and the beach bunny attires herself to attract the attention of perfect strangers (tourists).  The bikini adds lewdness to the equation, however, that the Amish woman's attire likely doesn't.

A bikini, and the accompanying emphasis on a bikini-body,  is about turning heads (surf all the channels marketing to our current fitness obsession for purpose if in doubt). Don't insult our intelligence by insinuating otherwise.  It is immodest, and it is indecent. 

 

[brianb]

Someone women do spend a lot of money to make their bodies look a certain way like on a tummy tuck to look better than other women. It is certainly wise to take care of our bodies but not obsessively.

You know...sometimes abdominoplasties (tummy tucks) are performed for reasons other than sheer vanity.  But it's kinda hard to castigate an particular "sin" when you have to make exceptions, isn't it? :

I know. That's why added the words "to look better than other women" - those are the key words there. Health reasons is a different matter. Many women however who get a tummy tuck are pretty healthy any ways and are looking for an easy alternative to exercise. Tummy tuck is just an example - there are other ways like breast implants - certainly those don't make someone physically healthier - those are about raising self-esteem.

Because of your edits...

I'll make sure I condemn both my aunt and the women in my church who have implants after having their breasts removed due to cancer. After all, they didn't physically need them anymore and the whole reason they got them was to raise their self-esteem.  :

They are an exception but I knew a woman who had a breast removed and she didn't have implants. It may even be necessary especially if only one is removed for balance. A lot of women who have had masectomies because of cancer just get a masectomy bra - they don't necessarily have the money for the implants - how much does that cost any ways? Maybe I'm naive but I've never heard of any one getting implants after a masectomy - this is the first I've heard about that.
I guess though it depends what her husband thinks - it usually depends on the man - some men care about breasts and some men don't. If she was single and I was in her shoes I'd try to see if I can find a man who didn't care that I had a masectomy. If I don't find one I'll just get the implants but there's no reason to rush into something that may not even be necessary even if someone else pays for it.

 

[OZZY]

Oh come on.... You can do it. I asked a simple question... surely you can answer.

Its is abundantly clear that "modest apparel" in 1 Tim 2:9 is about looking "expensive".

Have you ever talked about women wearing "expensive" apparel before? or have you had immodest thoughts toward women wearing "expensive" clothes?

It is a broad statement that addresses attire for the specific purpose of attracting attention to oneself.  That would include attire that is needlessly expensive, gaudy, indecent, or attire completely out of place.  Simply because the example utilized in that particular Scripture emphasizes only one specific application of the term does not change its definition or limit its application.

An Amish woman's attire and the basic bikini clad beach bunny may be equally immodest, just not in the same way.  The Amish woman attires herself to attract the attention of perfect strangers (tourists), and the beach bunny attires herself to attract the attention of perfect strangers (tourists).  The bikini adds lewdness to the equation, however, that the Amish woman's attire likely doesn't.

A bikini, and the accompanying emphasis on a bikini-body,  is about turning heads (surf all the channels marketing to our current fitness obsession for purpose if in doubt). Don't insult our intelligence by insinuating otherwise.  It is immodest, and it is indecent.

Ago the Amish started dressing that way AFTER tourist started visiting their communities?
Didn't know that

 

[brianb]

There's not many women responding to this thread. I've read 2 from women so far - one for and one against bikinis.

Btw, the one who is for bikinis and wears one at the beach I'd be afraid of - she owns a gun. I definitely don't want to visit a beach in the Seattle area - too scary. I wouldn't go to a beach any ways but if did I'd probably not know who she is any ways unless she started talking to me. The only visual clue would be a John 3:16 or some type of distinctively Evangelical Christian tattoo.

 

[Bob]

That sacred/secular divide your espousing right here...it's un-Scriptural.

Ironic that you contend this with no......Scripture. 

Romans 12:1.


I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.


It is not talking about puttng our bodies on a physical altar. It means that in al of your life, you are to consider all you do as Spiritual Worship.

 

[brianb]

It depends on her reason for wearing a bikini at the beach. Does she do it just to get people to look at her? To look at the results of her hard work at the gym for her six pack abs?

Probably more the latter. And to get a decent tan.

A decent tan - but not a true all-over tan. You'd have to be nude for that. It probably doesn't matter to you but assuming you're single and you do get married your husband is probably going to see tan lines. There are swimsuits that are actually made for tanning believe it or not the sun goes through the suit - they are not transparent so don't worry about that - they look like regular swimsuits so if your goal is to get an all over tan you may want to invest a swim suit like that. Just google tan through.