Is it ok for a woman to wear a bikini to the beach?

[standingtall]

"Sinful hussy" is probably more accurate though. I am not made of bronze, though my perfect tan might fool you on that. 

But we are all sinful. 

They're is no such thing as a "perfect" tan!  Unless it comes from a tube, of course...lol.

 

[Izdaari]

"Sinful hussy" is probably more accurate though. I am not made of bronze, though my perfect tan might fool you on that. 

But we are all sinful. 

They're is no such thing as a "perfect" tan!  Unless it comes from a tube, of course...lol.

Right, especially in Seattle, which is known more for rain tans, i.e. rust.

And I look like I have a tan even when I don't, due to my very sock unsorted ethnicity. When I actually do have one I'm just a little darker.

 

[standingtall]

Right, especially in Seattle, which is known more for rain tans, i.e. rust.

Yup.  Stayed a summer on my uncle's farm up there just south of Mt. Saint Helen (before it blew its top).  Spent half the summer wondering if the sun ever came out in that part of the country...

 

[wheatpenny]

Washington is one of the only 2 Western states that I've never been to (The other is Montana), but Seattle is world-famous for its rain. Well, that and being the headquarters of Starbucks...

 

[Izdaari]

Washington is one of the only 2 Western states that I've never been to (The other is Montana), but Seattle is world-famous for its rain. Well, that and being the headquarters of Starbucks...

I live at Starbucks. Well, not really, but you might think so because I sure am there a lot.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=brianb]What do you think of tankinis or even the standard one-piece suits? Is it really all about skin exposure?[/quote]

I don't know what a tankini is.  We went to the beach last year.  My wife wore a one-piece, with something I think she called a "wrap". 

Is it really about skin exposure?  At the end of the day, that certainly is one part of the very subjective discussion of what constitutes modesty.  Like somebody said earlier in the thread, bras and panties often comprise more covering than a standard bikini, but women wouldn't <usually> ever think about wearing their unmentionables in public.

Regarding changing cultural standards being the proper arbiter for modesty, that's ridiculous.  As Izdarri pointed out (with the wrong slant), such reasoning means that nakedness would be acceptable so long as the culture said it was okay.

 

[Bob]

Well... I've worn a wet suit to swim when it's too cold for normal swimwear, and the effect is a little burkini-like. But that's the only reason I'd wear anything like that at the beach.

Yeah, you sinful hussy.  You'd prefer to wear a bikini....for shame!!

Its "brazen hussy."

I sure would, if it's warm enough.

"Sinful hussy" is probably more accurate though. I am not made of bronze, though my perfect tan might fool you on that. 

But we are all sinful. 

I hope you know I was kidding with the brazen hussy statement.

 

[Bob]

[quote author=brianb]What do you think of tankinis or even the standard one-piece suits? Is it really all about skin exposure?

I don't know what a tankini is.  We went to the beach last year.  My wife wore a one-piece, with something I think she called a "wrap". 

Is it really about skin exposure?  At the end of the day, that certainly is one part of the very subjective discussion of what constitutes modesty.  Like somebody said earlier in the thread, bras and panties often comprise more covering than a standard bikini, but women wouldn't <usually> ever think about wearing their unmentionables in public.

Regarding changing cultural standards being the proper arbiter for modesty, that's ridiculous.  As Izdarri pointed out (with the wrong slant), such reasoning means that nakedness would be acceptable so long as the culture said it was okay.
[/quote]

In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.
[/quote]


In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.

 

[Izdaari]

I hope you know I was kidding with the brazen hussy statement.

Yeah, I know, it's cool. I'm not offended by those kinds of remarks unless they're delivered in a mean way by a mean person.  :-*

 

[Izdaari]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.
[/quote]

Torching your kids isn't very comparable to fashions in clothing.  :

 

[brianb]

[quote author=brianb]What do you think of tankinis or even the standard one-piece suits? Is it really all about skin exposure?

I don't know what a tankini is.  We went to the beach last year.  My wife wore a one-piece, with something I think she called a "wrap". 

Is it really about skin exposure?  At the end of the day, that certainly is one part of the very subjective discussion of what constitutes modesty.  Like somebody said earlier in the thread, bras and panties often comprise more covering than a standard bikini, but women wouldn't <usually> ever think about wearing their unmentionables in public.

Regarding changing cultural standards being the proper arbiter for modesty, that's ridiculous.  As Izdarri pointed out (with the wrong slant), such reasoning means that nakedness would be acceptable so long as the culture said it was okay.
[/quote]

A tankini is a femine tank top with a bikini bottom - together it looks almost like a one-piece. Many IFB people like yourself - although by your confession you seem to be the exception would consider a one-piece or a tankini to be immodest just because of the high leg exposure - there was a time many years ago when most people not just religious people would have agreed with them.

Almost 100 years ago your wife would have been arrested for that attire. Sorry but it's true. What happened? The culture changed when certain attire lost its shock value and became fashionable. As long as there are people going to a beach for leisure and fun whether in North America or abroad there is going to be people wearing beach clothes. In Biblical times they would go to beaches or lake shores for religious reasons like Lydia did. There is a few times when Jesus would teach people on a beach - I can imagine though that the beaches were much cleaner than they are now especially when people litter and leave cigarette butts on the sand. I think practically speaking as a society we are much worse than those less educated people of the past - they wouldn't even think of turning any part of God's creation into a disgusting mess.

I will say and agree with you regarding public nudity. Even though the Bible doesn't say explicitly that it is a sin - it is certainly not normal and is sometimes an indication that someone may not be in their right mind - the demon-possessed man of Gadara being a prime example - the Bible says that once he was saved he was clothed and in his right mind.

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.

Torching your kids isn't very comparable to fashions in clothing.  :
[/quote]

How is the bare breasts comment analgous in any way to fashion statements?  And more to the point, how is bare-breasted pagans of Africa a moral justification for adapting our principles of morality to the culture around us?

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=brianb]
A tankini is a femine tank top with a bikini bottom - together it looks almost like a one-piece. Many IFB people like yourself - although by your confession you seem to be the exception would consider a one-piece or a tankini to be immodest just because of the high leg exposure - there was a time many years ago when most people not just religious people would have agreed with them. [/quote]

The "wrap" that I spoke of in my previous post goes around her mid-section, and covers her upper legs.

 

[Just John]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.

Torching your kids isn't very comparable to fashions in clothing.  :
[/quote]

It can be when one claims that "freebirds" want AC/CD for worship music" and say "cigarettes are good". Crazy!

 

[Izdaari]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.

Torching your kids isn't very comparable to fashions in clothing.  :

How is the bare breasts comment analgous in any way to fashion statements?  And more to the point, how is bare-breasted pagans of Africa a moral justification for adapting our principles of morality to the culture around us?
[/quote]

You know we're never going to agree on this. I don't see anything moral or immoral about modes of dress or lack thereof, except as relative to a particular culture.

Burning your kids though, that goes to universal principles, and is wrong regardless of what culture you're in.

 

[Just John]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.

Torching your kids isn't very comparable to fashions in clothing.  :

How is the bare breasts comment analgous in any way to fashion statements?  And more to the point, how is bare-breasted pagans of Africa a moral justification for adapting our principles of morality to the culture around us?

You know we're never going to agree on this. I don't see anything moral or immoral about modes of dress or lack thereof, except as relative to a particular culture.

Burning your kids though, that goes to universal principles, and is wrong regardless of what culture you're in.
[/quote]

Of course. I'm not advocating in our culture women begin going around topless but in some other cultures where that does occur the breasts are not seen as a sexual entity. The more one see them he the less enticing they become....so I'm told. Who/what determines the degree of clothes that makes it moral? The only sure way is to dress fully toe to top with anything less considered possibly sinful. I don't think anyone here advocates that so at some point it is a relative decision we all make. That a women might go to the beach topless in Bali or South Korea could be different than what should be done in Pensacola, FL.

 

[JrChurch]

1 Corinthians 3:16  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Psalms 90:1  Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

 

[rsc2a]

1 Corinthians 3:16  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Psalms 90:1  Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

So we shouldn't sleep with prostitutes...got it.

 

[brianb]

[quote author=Bob]
In some cultures in Africa, bare breasts are not considered wrong.

In Sumerian cultures children were made to pass through the fire.

Torching your kids isn't very comparable to fashions in clothing.  :

How is the bare breasts comment analgous in any way to fashion statements?  And more to the point, how is bare-breasted pagans of Africa a moral justification for adapting our principles of morality to the culture around us?

You know we're never going to agree on this. I don't see anything moral or immoral about modes of dress or lack thereof, except as relative to a particular culture.

Burning your kids though, that goes to universal principles, and is wrong regardless of what culture you're in.

Of course. I'm not advocating in our culture women begin going around topless but in some other cultures where that does occur the breasts are not seen as a sexual entity. The more one see them he the less enticing they become....so I'm told. Who/what determines the degree of clothes that makes it moral? The only sure way is to dress fully toe to top with anything less considered possibly sinful. I don't think anyone here advocates that so at some point it is a relative decision we all make. That a women might go to the beach topless in Bali or South Korea could be different than what should be done in Pensacola, FL.
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Our culture will never go topless - it would hurt much of the clothing industry. Toplessness is actually legal in British Columbia by the way but few women do it. It is also not a criminal offense to be nude in a regular beach in the Okanagan - there is apparently a woman that goes nude there in front of every one else who have clothes on. Even if women all of a sudden lost all sense of shame most of them would still wear clothes if not for modesty sake than for decoration.