Is it ok for a woman to wear a bikini to the beach?

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JrChurch said:
1 Corinthians 3:16  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Psalms 90:1  Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

In that case God has been very merciful to us because there are a lot of woman wearing bikinis of some kind - whether string bikini, thong bikini or in between bikini.
 
rsc2a said:
JrChurch said:
1 Corinthians 3:16  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Psalms 90:1  Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

So we shouldn't sleep with prostitutes...got it.

Get help.
 
Frankly, I don't care what you all wear.  You don't answer to me and I don't have to look at you because I can't stand going to the beach.  What I don't understand is why so many are caught up in their own opinions.  It reminds me of Isaiah 47:10b ....Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.


Opinions, culture, philosophy, argument, interpretation, vain imaginations....are these all that matter to people?  I am, and none else beside me.
What  about the mind of God...His truth, His justice, His mercy, His heartbeat?  I am, and none else beside me.



 
I find it interesting that the OP is the one who is saying that it's ok. Usually it's the opposite. It makes me wonder why he brought it up in the first place. You'll never catch me asking questions like this because I think it is stupid to ask for people's opinions on matters like this even if it is for fun which I suspect it really is.
 
brianb said:
You'll never catch me asking questions like this because I think it is stupid to ask for people's opinions on matters like this even if it is for fun which I suspect it really is.
Of course it was.  The writer of the OP knew what would happen!  :D
 
JrChurch said:
rsc2a said:
JrChurch said:
1 Corinthians 3:16  Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

1 Corinthians 3:17  If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.

1 Corinthians 6:19  What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

2 Corinthians 6:16  And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

Psalms 90:1  Lord, thou hast been our dwelling place in all generations.

So we shouldn't sleep with prostitutes...got it.

Get help.

You don't like context?
 
JrChurch said:
Frankly, I don't care what you all wear.  You don't answer to me and I don't have to look at you because I can't stand going to the beach.  What I don't understand is why so many are caught up in their own opinions.  It reminds me of Isaiah 47:10b ....Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.


Opinions, culture, philosophy, argument, interpretation, vain imaginations....are these all that matter to people?  I am, and none else beside me.
What  about the mind of God...His truth, His justice, His mercy, His heartbeat?  I am, and none else beside me.

Ok...since you are telling us God's opinion and not your own, I'd like for you to provide Biblical support for your position. Not "God says these things so He is also talking about something else too". I want to see where it is plainly stated with no question on what God can be saying.
 
rsc2a said:
JrChurch said:
Frankly, I don't care what you all wear.  You don't answer to me and I don't have to look at you because I can't stand going to the beach.  What I don't understand is why so many are caught up in their own opinions.  It reminds me of Isaiah 47:10b ....Thy wisdom and thy knowledge, it hath perverted thee; and thou hast said in thine heart, I am, and none else beside me.


Opinions, culture, philosophy, argument, interpretation, vain imaginations....are these all that matter to people?  I am, and none else beside me.
What  about the mind of God...His truth, His justice, His mercy, His heartbeat?  I am, and none else beside me.


Ok...since you are telling us God's opinion and not your own, I'd like for you to provide Biblical support for your position. Not "God says these things so He is also talking about something else too". I want to see where it is plainly stated with no question on what God can be saying.

God, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, demands modesty in dress--1Ti 2:9  In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10  But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

More pertinent to this discussion is for someone to disclose where God says that culture sets the standard for modesty (or, for that matter, for anything else).  Since your standard is, by your own admission, what "thus saith the Lord," as you put it "...since you are telling us God's opinion and not your own, I'd like for you to provide Biblical support for your position. Not "God says these things so He is also talking about something else too". I want to see where it is plainly stated with no question on what God can be saying." 

Where does God ever say that He demands that we form our standards by what is acceptable by the culture around us?

 
standingtall said:
Reformed Guy said:
It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc.
But rock 'n roll is perfectly "OK" with you, huh?

Reformed Guy said:
I like getting the best of both worlds and enjoy good Rock n'Roll music.
But that's just me.

Ok.  So you've got me stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Yes, I posted that sometime back.  Let my explain my position and also say that I don't expect anyone else here to be convinced by it.  But here it is--

I do believe that I am required to conduct myself according to the Word of God in every area of life.  This includes how I worship, what I wear and what I listen to.  That is my main operating principle.

In carefully searching the scripture, I do find that it has a lot to say by way of application about what I may listen to.  I am to avoid "filthy communication."  I am not to delight myself in things that glorify and extoll sinful behavior.  I am to think on things that are good, wholesome, beautiful.  Others may disagree with me here, but I do not see that only "Christian" art (include music here) may be enjoyed-- but at the same time, the other parameters still apply.  Finding "rock" music that does not glorify sinful conduct is quite a challenge, and quite honestly, my record collection is indeed very slim.  But what I do have, I do enjoy, but never want to use my liberty as an opprtunity for another to stumble.  And as always, I strive to be humble and teachable-- always ready to lay it aside as soon as I am convicted by another brother or by the Holy Spirit by the means of the scripture that it does indeed bring a reproach upon Christ by disobedience to His Word.  IOW, I hold it very lightly.

Now in applying my music tastes to the worship of God-- I simply don't.  God regulates His worship by His Word, and nothing that He has not permitted is to be permitted in corporate worship.  Singing in worship is to consist of "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs," sung corporately (not by a performer or by performers) in a way suited to worshiping the eternal King of Kings.  Simply put the music of the world has no place in the corporate worship of God.
 
Reformed Guy said:
God, through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, demands modesty in dress--1Ti 2:9  In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; 1Ti 2:10  But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.

Funny...I didn't see the word "bikini" anywhere in that passage. Keep trying.

(BTW: do the females in your family have braided hair? Pierced ears? Do they get all their clothes secondhand?)

[quote author=Reformed Guy]More pertinent to this discussion is for someone to disclose where God says that culture sets the standard for modesty (or, for that matter, for anything else).  Since your standard is, by your own admission, what "thus saith the Lord," as you put it "...since you are telling us God's opinion and not your own, I'd like for you to provide Biblical support for your position. Not "God says these things so He is also talking about something else too". I want to see where it is plainly stated with no question on what God can be saying." [/quote]

No...that's not my standard. I am simply asking JrChurch to be consistent in how he applies his own standards.

I've said before, I don't read the Bible like a mad lib. I don't look for flow charts and maps that tell me in situation X, I need to do Y. It detracts from what Scripture is actually teaching when one treats it as such. The Bible is full of nuance, (apparent) contradiction, parable, proverb, narrative, etc...probably because God didn't intend for us to treat the Bible like a "road map for life". Look at Philemon...did Paul flat out tell Philemon to free Onesimus, or was his appeal more indirect? Could Paul have?


[quote author=Reformed Guy]Where does God ever say that He demands that we form our standards by what is acceptable by the culture around us?[/quote]

To some degree, all over Scripture. To some degree, not at all.
 
[quote author=Reformed Guy]Now in applying my music tastes to the worship of God-- I simply don't.  God regulates His worship by His Word, and nothing that He has not permitted is to be permitted in corporate worship.  Singing in worship is to consist of "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs," sung corporately (not by a performer or by performers) in a way suited to worshiping the eternal King of Kings.  Simply put the music of the world has no place in the corporate worship of God.[/quote]

That sacred/secular divide your espousing right here...it's un-Scriptural.
 
christundivided said:
Reformed Guy said:
God's commandments require modesty in dress.  God's commandments forbid immodesty in dress.  The fact that some "christians" advocate wearing something akin to a few band-aids and a bit of dental floss in public show the scant regard given to God's commandments these days.  We profess to "love Jesus," but want nothing to do with doing what he commands.  Bro. Tom is right-- such worldlings are ripe to be "spewed-out" in detestation.

To allow American "culture" to determine the acceptability of attire for Christians is silly.  The same "culture" praises sexual promiscuity, places great value on lust, justifies the murder of children conceived as the result of sexual sin, and is hell-bent on glorifying the creature rather than the Creator.  It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc. We are commanded to "come out and be seperate," but we have become so enslaved to our pagan culture that we treat those with a remnant of conviction in this area as over-zealous, legalistic kooks.

At the root is a "Christianity" that places will-worship in the place that rightly belongs to God.  Any token nod of the head given to the requirement of modesty is quickly followed by an obfusication guised as an illuminated thought that 'God never specifies just what must be covered up'-- as though God is incapable of giving a clear directive.  A mind set firmly in a desire to obey, however, seeks not a line which may be approached as closely as possible without transgression, but rather seeks to steer clear and far from any hint of wantonness and laciviousness.

Does a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

My wife wears a bathing suit to the beach and I have never considered it "immodest". In fact, I consider her choice to be rather conservative. Now I am certain you will ask "conservative" by what standard? I would say by "God's standard". Most bible verses used to talk of "modest" dress.....reference a women's attempt to look "expensive". In like manner.....James spoke of this when he spoke of "gay" apparel. While I'm not for dressing like a "whore". Do you really consider a women in a bikini to be dressing like a "whore"?

Does a tight T-shirt and short pants on a man equally cause problems for a women? How about a trim fit...."muscular" appearance?

I have never personally known of a situation were a 'bikini" started an affair. Usually it doesn't take such to cause a man's mind to "stray". There have been a many adulterous women/man that found their "prey" at a local "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church". Paul even spoke of how "silly women" are easy lead astray. (not targeting women. Men are as well)

[bDoes a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

][/b]

I suffer the same temptations common to every man.  Yes, seeing immodest dress is an opportunity for immodest thoughts.  If I entertain immodest thoughts, the sin is mine, since no temptation comes without a way of escape and my duty is to make use of it.  I am to gird up the loins of my mind and flee sexual temptation.  If she is dressed immodestly, in such a way to provoke immodest thoughts, the sin is hers. She is to dress with modest apparel.  If she tempts and I succomb the sin is both of ours.  Not too hard.
 
lol.  Bikinis are immodest.  Let's be honest about our sexuality and carnality. 

Nunamybidness who wears them, but let's not pretend that they're modest.

Just because some lines are different in different cultures, doesn't mean there are no lines.

Reformed Guy said:
Ok.  So you've got me stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Yes, I posted that sometime back.  Let my explain my position and also say that I don't expect anyone else here to be convinced by it.  But here it is--

I do believe that I am required to conduct myself according to the Word of God in every area of life.  This includes how I worship, what I wear and what I listen to.  That is my main operating principle.

In carefully searching the scripture, I do find that it has a lot to say by way of application about what I may listen to.  I am to avoid "filthy communication."  I am not to delight myself in things that glorify and extoll sinful behavior.  I am to think on things that are good, wholesome, beautiful.  Others may disagree with me here, but I do not see that only "Christian" art (include music here) may be enjoyed-- but at the same time, the other parameters still apply.  Finding "rock" music that does not glorify sinful conduct is quite a challenge, and quite honestly, my record collection is indeed very slim.  But what I do have, I do enjoy, but never want to use my liberty as an opprtunity for another to stumble.  And as always, I strive to be humble and teachable-- always ready to lay it aside as soon as I am convicted by another brother or by the Holy Spirit by the means of the scripture that it does indeed bring a reproach upon Christ by disobedience to His Word.  IOW, I hold it very lightly.

Now in applying my music tastes to the worship of God-- I simply don't.  God regulates His worship by His Word, and nothing that He has not permitted is to be permitted in corporate worship.  Singing in worship is to consist of "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs," sung corporately (not by a performer or by performers) in a way suited to worshiping the eternal King of Kings.  Simply put the music of the world has no place in the corporate worship of God.

I agree to an extent and this is how I view art as well, but I think I am more careful about the standard that says, "glorify sinful behavior."

I watch a lot of shows that depict sinful behavior, but do not glorify it.  By that I mean, they depict fallen people in a fallen world making fallen choices and show the consequences of those decisions.  Glorifying sinful behavior would be more akin to showing sin and making it seem enticing and pleasurable without showing any consequences of those actions, IMO.

Showing sinfulness and the consequences of it glorify God by showing the goodness of His love for us in giving us His laws and commands. 
 
Reformed Guy said:
christundivided said:
Reformed Guy said:
God's commandments require modesty in dress.  God's commandments forbid immodesty in dress.  The fact that some "christians" advocate wearing something akin to a few band-aids and a bit of dental floss in public show the scant regard given to God's commandments these days.  We profess to "love Jesus," but want nothing to do with doing what he commands.  Bro. Tom is right-- such worldlings are ripe to be "spewed-out" in detestation.

To allow American "culture" to determine the acceptability of attire for Christians is silly.  The same "culture" praises sexual promiscuity, places great value on lust, justifies the murder of children conceived as the result of sexual sin, and is hell-bent on glorifying the creature rather than the Creator.  It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc. We are commanded to "come out and be seperate," but we have become so enslaved to our pagan culture that we treat those with a remnant of conviction in this area as over-zealous, legalistic kooks.

At the root is a "Christianity" that places will-worship in the place that rightly belongs to God.  Any token nod of the head given to the requirement of modesty is quickly followed by an obfusication guised as an illuminated thought that 'God never specifies just what must be covered up'-- as though God is incapable of giving a clear directive.  A mind set firmly in a desire to obey, however, seeks not a line which may be approached as closely as possible without transgression, but rather seeks to steer clear and far from any hint of wantonness and laciviousness.

Does a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

My wife wears a bathing suit to the beach and I have never considered it "immodest". In fact, I consider her choice to be rather conservative. Now I am certain you will ask "conservative" by what standard? I would say by "God's standard". Most bible verses used to talk of "modest" dress.....reference a women's attempt to look "expensive". In like manner.....James spoke of this when he spoke of "gay" apparel. While I'm not for dressing like a "whore". Do you really consider a women in a bikini to be dressing like a "whore"?

Does a tight T-shirt and short pants on a man equally cause problems for a women? How about a trim fit...."muscular" appearance?

I have never personally known of a situation were a 'bikini" started an affair. Usually it doesn't take such to cause a man's mind to "stray". There have been a many adulterous women/man that found their "prey" at a local "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church". Paul even spoke of how "silly women" are easy lead astray. (not targeting women. Men are as well)

[bDoes a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

][/b]

I suffer the same temptations common to every man.  Yes, seeing immodest dress is an opportunity for immodest thoughts.  If I entertain immodest thoughts, the sin is mine, since no temptation comes without a way of escape and my duty is to make use of it.  I am to gird up the loins of my mind and flee sexual temptation.  If she is dressed immodestly, in such a way to provoke immodest thoughts, the sin is hers. She is to dress with modest apparel.  If she tempts and I succomb the sin is both of ours.  Not too hard.

I challenge you to biblically associate "modest apparel" with anything other than looking "expensive".

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought? Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation? If not, then why not?

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church? Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?
 
Bou said:
rsc2a said:
That sacred/secular divide your espousing right here...it's un-Scriptural.

Ironic that you contend this with no......Scripture.  :)

What does Jesus say the greatest commandment is? Also, can you tell me what Col 3:17 and 1 Cor 10:31 say?
 
Bou said:
Reformed Guy said:
Ok.  So you've got me stuck between a rock and a hard place.  Yes, I posted that sometime back.  Let my explain my position and also say that I don't expect anyone else here to be convinced by it.  But here it is--

I do believe that I am required to conduct myself according to the Word of God in every area of life.  This includes how I worship, what I wear and what I listen to.  That is my main operating principle.

In carefully searching the scripture, I do find that it has a lot to say by way of application about what I may listen to.  I am to avoid "filthy communication."  I am not to delight myself in things that glorify and extoll sinful behavior.  I am to think on things that are good, wholesome, beautiful.  Others may disagree with me here, but I do not see that only "Christian" art (include music here) may be enjoyed-- but at the same time, the other parameters still apply.  Finding "rock" music that does not glorify sinful conduct is quite a challenge, and quite honestly, my record collection is indeed very slim.  But what I do have, I do enjoy, but never want to use my liberty as an opprtunity for another to stumble.  And as always, I strive to be humble and teachable-- always ready to lay it aside as soon as I am convicted by another brother or by the Holy Spirit by the means of the scripture that it does indeed bring a reproach upon Christ by disobedience to His Word.  IOW, I hold it very lightly.

Now in applying my music tastes to the worship of God-- I simply don't.  God regulates His worship by His Word, and nothing that He has not permitted is to be permitted in corporate worship.  Singing in worship is to consist of "psalms, hymns and spiritual songs," sung corporately (not by a performer or by performers) in a way suited to worshiping the eternal King of Kings.  Simply put the music of the world has no place in the corporate worship of God.

I agree to an extent and this is how I view art as well, but I think I am more careful about the standard that says, "glorify sinful behavior."

I watch a lot of shows that depict sinful behavior, but do not glorify it.  By that I mean, they depict fallen people in a fallen world making fallen choices and show the consequences of those decisions.  Glorifying sinful behavior would be more akin to showing sin and making it seem enticing and pleasurable without showing any consequences of those actions, IMO.

Showing sinfulness and the consequences of it glorify God by showing the goodness of His love for us in giving us His laws and commands.

I agree that it's possible to portray sinful behavior and not glorify it.  In our age, though, such is the exception and not the norm, and we must always be careful. 

One example is Johnny Cash's "Sunday Morning Coming Down."  It expresses sinful behavior and it expresses the emptiness it brings.  Not suited for a worship hymn, but imo makes for acceptable listening (although I generally like things not quite so dark).
 
Bou said:
rsc2a said:
That sacred/secular divide your espousing right here...it's un-Scriptural.

Ironic that you contend this with no......Scripture.  :)

This disctintion is found all through scripture from Genesis to Revelation, starting with Cain bringing as a sacrifice the work of his hands (if not before), but someone who doesn't see I Timothy 2 as applying to bikinis because it doesn't use the word "bikini" is too willfully blinded by their own willful rebellion to see it.
 
christundivided said:
Reformed Guy said:
christundivided said:
Reformed Guy said:
God's commandments require modesty in dress.  God's commandments forbid immodesty in dress.  The fact that some "christians" advocate wearing something akin to a few band-aids and a bit of dental floss in public show the scant regard given to God's commandments these days.  We profess to "love Jesus," but want nothing to do with doing what he commands.  Bro. Tom is right-- such worldlings are ripe to be "spewed-out" in detestation.

To allow American "culture" to determine the acceptability of attire for Christians is silly.  The same "culture" praises sexual promiscuity, places great value on lust, justifies the murder of children conceived as the result of sexual sin, and is hell-bent on glorifying the creature rather than the Creator.  It is a mark of our apostacy that we cling to the world's standards,  not only in dress, but in standards of worship, entertainment, education, family roles, etc. We are commanded to "come out and be seperate," but we have become so enslaved to our pagan culture that we treat those with a remnant of conviction in this area as over-zealous, legalistic kooks.

At the root is a "Christianity" that places will-worship in the place that rightly belongs to God.  Any token nod of the head given to the requirement of modesty is quickly followed by an obfusication guised as an illuminated thought that 'God never specifies just what must be covered up'-- as though God is incapable of giving a clear directive.  A mind set firmly in a desire to obey, however, seeks not a line which may be approached as closely as possible without transgression, but rather seeks to steer clear and far from any hint of wantonness and laciviousness.

Does a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

My wife wears a bathing suit to the beach and I have never considered it "immodest". In fact, I consider her choice to be rather conservative. Now I am certain you will ask "conservative" by what standard? I would say by "God's standard". Most bible verses used to talk of "modest" dress.....reference a women's attempt to look "expensive". In like manner.....James spoke of this when he spoke of "gay" apparel. While I'm not for dressing like a "whore". Do you really consider a women in a bikini to be dressing like a "whore"?

Does a tight T-shirt and short pants on a man equally cause problems for a women? How about a trim fit...."muscular" appearance?

I have never personally known of a situation were a 'bikini" started an affair. Usually it doesn't take such to cause a man's mind to "stray". There have been a many adulterous women/man that found their "prey" at a local "Independent Fundamental Baptist Church". Paul even spoke of how "silly women" are easy lead astray. (not targeting women. Men are as well)

[bDoes a women wearing a bikini cause you to have in modest thoughts? If it does.... then who's fault is it? Your fault or the one wearing the bikini? Do you exercise control over your own mind or not?

][/b]

I suffer the same temptations common to every man.  Yes, seeing immodest dress is an opportunity for immodest thoughts.  If I entertain immodest thoughts, the sin is mine, since no temptation comes without a way of escape and my duty is to make use of it.  I am to gird up the loins of my mind and flee sexual temptation.  If she is dressed immodestly, in such a way to provoke immodest thoughts, the sin is hers. She is to dress with modest apparel.  If she tempts and I succomb the sin is both of ours.  Not too hard.

I challenge you to biblically associate "modest apparel" with anything other than looking "expensive".

Have you ever looked at a beautiful "expensive" looking women and had an "immodest" thought? Would you apply the same logic you detailed above to that same situation? If not, then why not?

Do you have any "expensive" looking women that attend your church? Do you have the same bravado toward their "expensive" look as you do toward someone that would wear a bikini?

If you think that scriptural admonitions against nakedness have to do with not being caught wearing a lot of gold, I think that accepting that challenge would be a complete waste of my time.  It's apparent that words for you and me mean different things.
 
Reformed Guy said:
Bou said:
rsc2a said:
That sacred/secular divide your espousing right here...it's un-Scriptural.

Ironic that you contend this with no......Scripture.  :)

This disctintion is found all through scripture from Genesis to Revelation, starting with Cain bringing as a sacrifice the work of his hands (if not before), but someone who doesn't see I Timothy 2 as applying to bikinis because it doesn't use the word "bikini" is too willfully blinded by their own willful rebellion to see it.

Your example does not say what you think it says.

Also, can you provide exegetical support for your idea that Cain's sacrifice was rejected because it was "the work of his hands"?
 
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