If a "Jack Hyles" took the pastorate of FBCH today......

[Smellin Coffee]

There has been so much blatant hypocrisy, man-o-god-ism, and strong-arming from the pulpit that most people have a distaste for Hyles' style of church leadership.  The younger generation doesn't  have the "do as I say" mentality.  They grew up in that "system" and they don't want anything to do with it anymore.  That's why they are running FROM "fundamentalism" and sometimes Christianity altogether.  They come back...but not to THAT kind of church.  They end up in Bethel-like churches.  Where they are accepted as they are.  They WANT Christ but they don't want to be beat down at church.

I, for one, do not handle well anymore preachers who scream and yell from the pulpit.  I had 30 years of that.  I am a mature adult and I don't need anyone to yell at me to get me to understand.  I need the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit to reach into my soul.  In my 30 years at FBC, the screaming was so loud that I couldn't hear that still, small voice.  It was drowned out completely. 

Why do so many of our pastors (or any Christians for that matter) conduct themselves nothing like Jesus, supposedly our ultimate example.  Think about it.  Were Christ's sermons ever yelling and screaming? Did He berate people into obedience? Did He FORCE His authority onto His followers?  No! So where did that style of leadership begin????  Who decided that Christ's example of leadership wasn't good enough?

Not sure if this is yelling and forcing authority or not.

Matthew 23

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Just giving you a hard time. 

You bring up a good point Raider. Jesus gave the religious rulers of his day a hard time for sure. But when he preached to the people he didn't take that tone it seems.

He shucked the corn!! 

While trying to clip some coupons!

 

[cast.sheep]

There has been so much blatant hypocrisy, man-o-god-ism, and strong-arming from the pulpit that most people have a distaste for Hyles' style of church leadership.  The younger generation doesn't  have the "do as I say" mentality.  They grew up in that "system" and they don't want anything to do with it anymore.  That's why they are running FROM "fundamentalism" and sometimes Christianity altogether.  They come back...but not to THAT kind of church.  They end up in Bethel-like churches.  Where they are accepted as they are.  They WANT Christ but they don't want to be

beat down at church.

I, for one, do not handle well anymore preachers who scream and yell from the pulpit.  I had 30 years of that.  I am a mature adult and I don't need anyone to yell at me to get me to understand.  I need the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit to reach into my soul.  In my 30 years at FBC, the screaming was so loud that I couldn't hear that still, small voice.  It was drowned out completely. 

Why do so many of our pastors (or any Christians for that matter) conduct themselves nothing like Jesus, supposedly our ultimate example.  Think about it.  Were Christ's sermons ever yelling and screaming? Did He berate people into obedience? Did He FORCE His authority onto His followers?  No! So where did that style of leadership begin????  Who decided that Christ's example of leadership wasn't good enough?

Not sure if this is yelling and forcing authority or not.

Matthew 23

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Just giving you a hard time. 

You bring up a good point Raider. Jesus gave the religious rulers of his day a hard time for sure. But when he preached to the people he didn't take that tone it seems.

That's exactly what I meant. 

I also agree with the pride and arrogance comment...again, not a quality of Christ.

I'm a rebel, Raider....hahahaha....but it's ok....Jesus was a rebel...just ask Lecrae.  Haha!  (I am NOT comparing myself to Christ....lol....)

 

[cast.sheep]

Hey!  I'm a "Jr Member" now!  Woooohooooo!  Not a "Newbie" anymore!

Happy dance! 

 

[RAIDER]

Hey!  I'm a "Jr Member" now!  Woooohooooo!  Not a "Newbie" anymore!

Happy dance!

You are well on your way to becoming a stinkin' Hacker!!!

 

[RAIDER]

Can't ascertain whether it is the yelling...or the arrogance that is more of a turn-off now. I used to be so darn PROUD of the fact our preechers were screechers. Family would visit and would be pretty horrified, and would ask us, "Why do they have to yell like that?" We would almost gloat about it, "That is preaching! That is what the Bible teaches they are SUPPOSED to do. What, does your pastor 'talk' to you? Is he a lily-livered limp-wristed panty wearing Momma's boy? We have a real man up there and real men scream and spit and holler and rip you a new one every time they step in to the pulpit!" (I don't think that was ever the actual conversation...but we were always asked about the yelling, and no one ever wanted to visit a second time)

But Larry Smith spoke last night at the Thanksgiving service...and he didn't yell. No, he didn't yell, but the arrogance and superiority and meanness that oozes out of the guy is so palpable to me that I cannot for the LIFE of me understand how no one else seems to see it. *shudder*

I have been in services where I felt the preacher was yelling at me.  I realize I was only at FBCH for my four years of college, but I never felt that Dr. Hyles was yelling at me.  Yes, he may have yelled during a sermon, but I didn't feel like it was in my face.  Now Bob Gray on the other hand......

 

[BALAAM]

Can't ascertain whether it is the yelling...or the arrogance that is more of a turn-off now. I used to be so darn PROUD of the fact our preechers were screechers. Family would visit and would be pretty horrified, and would ask us, "Why do they have to yell like that?" We would almost gloat about it, "That is preaching! That is what the Bible teaches they are SUPPOSED to do. What, does your pastor 'talk' to you? Is he a lily-livered limp-wristed panty wearing Momma's boy? We have a real man up there and real men scream and spit and holler and rip you a new one every time they step in to the pulpit!" (I don't think that was ever the actual conversation...but we were always asked about the yelling, and no one ever wanted to visit a second time)

But Larry Smith spoke last night at the Thanksgiving service...and he didn't yell. No, he didn't yell, but the arrogance and superiority and meanness that oozes out of the guy is so palpable to me that I cannot for the LIFE of me understand how no one else seems to see it. *shudder*

I have seen it since 1988. If I still attended fbch and planned to go to the Wed. night service and I heard larry was preaching I would stay home. I detest him!

 

[bgwilkinson]

Can't ascertain whether it is the yelling...or the arrogance that is more of a turn-off now. I used to be so darn PROUD of the fact our preechers were screechers. Family would visit and would be pretty horrified, and would ask us, "Why do they have to yell like that?" We would almost gloat about it, "That is preaching! That is what the Bible teaches they are SUPPOSED to do. What, does your pastor 'talk' to you? Is he a lily-livered limp-wristed panty wearing Momma's boy? We have a real man up there and real men scream and spit and holler and rip you a new one every time they step in to the pulpit!" (I don't think that was ever the actual conversation...but we were always asked about the yelling, and no one ever wanted to visit a second time)

But Larry Smith spoke last night at the Thanksgiving service...and he didn't yell. No, he didn't yell, but the arrogance and superiority and meanness that oozes out of the guy is so palpable to me that I cannot for the LIFE of me understand how no one else seems to see it. *shudder*

I have seen it since 1988. If I still attended fbch and planned to go to the Wed. night service and I heard larry was preaching I would stay home. I detest him!

Repulsive, repelling, condescending, smarmy, pridefully arrogant, smug, death personified and boring.

I'm with you when his name comes up I have to be somewhere else.

 

[TidesofTruth]

Can't ascertain whether it is the yelling...or the arrogance that is more of a turn-off now. I used to be so darn PROUD of the fact our preechers were screechers. Family would visit and would be pretty horrified, and would ask us, "Why do they have to yell like that?" We would almost gloat about it, "That is preaching! That is what the Bible teaches they are SUPPOSED to do. What, does your pastor 'talk' to you? Is he a lily-livered limp-wristed panty wearing Momma's boy? We have a real man up there and real men scream and spit and holler and rip you a new one every time they step in to the pulpit!" (I don't think that was ever the actual conversation...but we were always asked about the yelling, and no one ever wanted to visit a second time)

But Larry Smith spoke last night at the Thanksgiving service...and he didn't yell. No, he didn't yell, but the arrogance and superiority and meanness that oozes out of the guy is so palpable to me that I cannot for the LIFE of me understand how no one else seems to see it. *shudder*

I have seen it since 1988. If I still attended fbch and planned to go to the Wed. night service and I heard larry was preaching I would stay home. I detest him!

Repulsive, repelling, condescending, smarmy, pridefully arrogant, smug, death personified and boring.

I'm with you when his name comes up I have to be somewhere else.

Yup.  If I had been in the auditorium my family and I would have left immediately.  I haven't the time nor the patience with his Judaizing ways. 

 

[Vince Massi]

Back in the beginning of this thread, Balaam raised a valid point--if FBCH wanted another Jack Hyles, they could have chosen Bob Gray.

But getting back to the original post:

The church would continue its policy of deceit, of rejecting holiness in favor of man-made rules, would be in major doctrinal error over the KJV, and would practice slander in order to unsuccessfully protect its reputation.

 

[Timotheus]

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

Using the information available in 1959, FBCH or any HAC affiliated IFB church of 2014 would not choose him.

1.  Jack Hyles used multiple versions of the Bible.
2.  Jack Hyles associated with Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodist and non-denominational people.
3.  Jack Hyles went to a Southern Baptist School that taught unapproved (from the IFB) doctrines.

Those would be the deal breakers.

He also

4.  Used the contemporary music of his day in his church.
5.  Used new methods to reach people.

The last 2 would probably make the "Old Paths" people angry. 

On a separate what if note

What if Dave Hyles wouldn't have been a pervert and there was no Jenny?

I think DH would have changed FBC to more a contemporary style church.  The music would have changed. (He was taking the youth group to Gaither concerts back in the day.)  I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty.

Now that would be an alternate universe! 

 

[bgwilkinson]

Timotheus said  "I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty."

Yah, 13,000 students instead of 400.

$1 billion in net assets and cash and investments instead of almost out of business.

“The upgrade reflects Liberty’s remarkable momentum in revenue growth and cash flow from operations,” said the report released by Moody’s late Monday. Among Liberty’s strengths are online programs and uncommonly strong operating performance. Moody’s calls Liberty a “true outlier” among its portfolio of not-for-profit universities.

“Going through the ratings process over the last three years has been a real learning experience for our management team,” Falwell said. “When we met with Moody’s last month in Manhattan, it was gratifying to hear from them how they had noticed that Liberty had reached its goal of $1 billion in net assets and cash and investments about one year earlier than we had predicted.”

Moody’s noted LU also has an ongoing trend of dramatic balance sheet growth; cash and investments in Fiscal 2013 for example, increased by 41 percent.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/liberty-university-s-credit-rating-rises-after-moody-s-report/article_e5293aa6-1b60-11e3-9c9e-0019bb30f31a.html

 

[16KJV11]

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

Using the information available in 1959, FBCH or any HAC affiliated IFB church of 2014 would not choose him.

1.  Jack Hyles used multiple versions of the Bible.
2.  Jack Hyles associated with Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodist and non-denominational people.
3.  Jack Hyles went to a Southern Baptist School that taught unapproved (from the IFB) doctrines.

Those would be the deal breakers.

He also

4.  Used the contemporary music of his day in his church.
5.  Used new methods to reach people.

The last 2 would probably make the "Old Paths" people angry. 

On a separate what if note

What if Dave Hyles wouldn't have been a pervert and there was no Jenny?

I think DH would have changed FBC to more a contemporary style church.  The music would have changed. (He was taking the youth group to Gaither concerts back in the day.)  I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty.

Now that would be an alternate universe! 

On a side note here: Went to a Gaither concert at the invite of a church member.  Felt like I was back at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh listening to INXS or some group like that back in the 80's.  Left with a migraine.  My SIL goes to an AOG church and we were invited to Thanksgiving dinner provided by the church on Thanksgiving Day.  Food was off the charts!  During the meal, somebody started cranking up the tunes.  I assume it was Christian, couldn't tell b/c I couldn't understand a word they were singing.  Kind of reminded me of BOC back in the day.  (No, wait, I could understand what BOC sung.)
Tell you what, I was so uplifted in my spirit by what I couldn't understand.
Well, at least the food was good.

 

[Timotheus]

Timotheus said  "I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty."

Yah, 13,000 students instead of 400.

$1 billion in net assets and cash and investments instead of almost out of business.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/liberty-university-s-credit-rating-rises-after-moody-s-report/article_e5293aa6-1b60-11e3-9c9e-0019bb30f31a.html

I was going for their doctrinal positions and how they get along with others rather than how many students or how rich they are.   

Without the perversion and controversy, I think HAC could have had 3k to 5k students and over 100M in assets (with the money that Anderson, Decoster and others gave over the years)

 

[Norefund]

BOC?

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

Using the information available in 1959, FBCH or any HAC affiliated IFB church of 2014 would not choose him.

1.  Jack Hyles used multiple versions of the Bible.
2.  Jack Hyles associated with Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodist and non-denominational people.
3.  Jack Hyles went to a Southern Baptist School that taught unapproved (from the IFB) doctrines.

Those would be the deal breakers.

He also

4.  Used the contemporary music of his day in his church.
5.  Used new methods to reach people.

The last 2 would probably make the "Old Paths" people angry. 

On a separate what if note

What if Dave Hyles wouldn't have been a pervert and there was no Jenny?

I think DH would have changed FBC to more a contemporary style church.  The music would have changed. (He was taking the youth group to Gaither concerts back in the day.)  I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty.

Now that would be an alternate universe! 

On a side note here: Went to a Gaither concert at the invite of a church member.  Felt like I was back at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh listening to INXS or some group like that back in the 80's.  Left with a migraine.  My SIL goes to an AOG church and we were invited to Thanksgiving dinner provided by the church on Thanksgiving Day.  Food was off the charts!  During the meal, somebody started cranking up the tunes.  I assume it was Christian, couldn't tell b/c I couldn't understand a word they were singing.  Kind of reminded me of BOC back in the day.  (No, wait, I could understand what BOC sung.)
Tell you what, I was so uplifted in my spirit by what I couldn't understand.
Well, at least the food was good.

 

[16KJV11]

BOC?

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

Using the information available in 1959, FBCH or any HAC affiliated IFB church of 2014 would not choose him.

1.  Jack Hyles used multiple versions of the Bible.
2.  Jack Hyles associated with Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodist and non-denominational people.
3.  Jack Hyles went to a Southern Baptist School that taught unapproved (from the IFB) doctrines.

Those would be the deal breakers.

He also

4.  Used the contemporary music of his day in his church.
5.  Used new methods to reach people.

The last 2 would probably make the "Old Paths" people angry. 

On a separate what if note

What if Dave Hyles wouldn't have been a pervert and there was no Jenny?

I think DH would have changed FBC to more a contemporary style church.  The music would have changed. (He was taking the youth group to Gaither concerts back in the day.)  I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty.

Now that would be an alternate universe! 

On a side note here: Went to a Gaither concert at the invite of a church member.  Felt like I was back at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh listening to INXS or some group like that back in the 80's.  Left with a migraine.  My SIL goes to an AOG church and we were invited to Thanksgiving dinner provided by the church on Thanksgiving Day.  Food was off the charts!  During the meal, somebody started cranking up the tunes.  I assume it was Christian, couldn't tell b/c I couldn't understand a word they were singing.  Kind of reminded me of BOC back in the day.  (No, wait, I could understand what BOC sung.)
Tell you what, I was so uplifted in my spirit by what I couldn't understand.
Well, at least the food was good.

Blue Oyster Cult

 

[prophet]

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

Using the information available in 1959, FBCH or any HAC affiliated IFB church of 2014 would not choose him.

1.  Jack Hyles used multiple versions of the Bible.
2.  Jack Hyles associated with Southern Baptists, Presbyterians, Methodist and non-denominational people.
3.  Jack Hyles went to a Southern Baptist School that taught unapproved (from the IFB) doctrines.

Those would be the deal breakers.

He also

4.  Used the contemporary music of his day in his church.
5.  Used new methods to reach people.

The last 2 would probably make the "Old Paths" people angry. 

On a separate what if note

What if Dave Hyles wouldn't have been a pervert and there was no Jenny?

I think DH would have changed FBC to more a contemporary style church.  The music would have changed. (He was taking the youth group to Gaither concerts back in the day.)  I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty.

Now that would be an alternate universe! 

On a side note here: Went to a Gaither concert at the invite of a church member.  Felt like I was back at the Stanley Theater in Pittsburgh listening to INXS or some group like that back in the 80's.  Left with a migraine.  My SIL goes to an AOG church and we were invited to Thanksgiving dinner provided by the church on Thanksgiving Day.  Food was off the charts!  During the meal, somebody started cranking up the tunes.  I assume it was Christian, couldn't tell b/c I couldn't understand a word they were singing.  Kind of reminded me of BOC back in the day.  (No, wait, I could understand what BOC sung.)
Tell you what, I was so uplifted in my spirit by what I couldn't understand.
Well, at least the food was good.

Did the meal give you What You Need, even though the lyrics seemed to Mystify you?

Maybe the AOG church likes that music, cuz they have the Devil Inside, and not God's Spirit.

 

[TidesofTruth]

Timotheus said  "I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty."

Yah, 13,000 students instead of 400.

$1 billion in net assets and cash and investments instead of almost out of business.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/liberty-university-s-credit-rating-rises-after-moody-s-report/article_e5293aa6-1b60-11e3-9c9e-0019bb30f31a.html

I was going for their doctrinal positions and how they get along with others rather than how many students or how rich they are.   

Without the perversion and controversy, I think HAC could have had 3k to 5k students and over 100M in assets (with the money that Anderson, Decoster and others gave over the years)

You do realize that When Liberty nearly went Bankrupt JF solicited funds from cultist Sung Yun Moon that saved the college.  I don't know how much integrity is left there.  Not that HAC has any either.  I just don't think that this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dc9nHwC2w
Is all that great a testimony either.

Numbers are not necessarily a proof of God's favor on a place but that hold true whether it is numbers of people or numbers of dollars in the bank.  Its all still numbers.

 

[Bruh]

....what would the church and college look like in 10 years?

We know what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Dr. Hyles.  We saw the changes and we saw what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Schaap.  We are seeing the changes and are getting a look at FBCH and HAC under the leadership of Pastor Wilkerson. 

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene. First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

You may be slipping from your hackerness. 

If a JH would show up, and FBCH would not accept him............he just go across the street and start another church......and preach.

 

[bgwilkinson]

....what would the church and college look like in 10 years?

We know what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Dr. Hyles.  We saw the changes and we saw what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Schaap.  We are seeing the changes and are getting a look at FBCH and HAC under the leadership of Pastor Wilkerson. 

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene. First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

You may be slipping from your hackerness. 

If a JH would show up, and FBCH would not accept him............he just go across the street and start another church......and preach.

Across the street would still be owned by FBCH unless you're talking about All Saints which is a Catholic Church, that may be  just fine with him as he always said he was more Catholic...

He would be Father H.

 

[cast.sheep]

Timotheus said  "I think FBC would look a lot like Thomas Road right now and HAC would be similar to Liberty."

Yah, 13,000 students instead of 400.

$1 billion in net assets and cash and investments instead of almost out of business.

http://www.newsadvance.com/news/local/liberty-university-s-credit-rating-rises-after-moody-s-report/article_e5293aa6-1b60-11e3-9c9e-0019bb30f31a.html

I was going for their doctrinal positions and how they get along with others rather than how many students or how rich they are.   

Without the perversion and controversy, I think HAC could have had 3k to 5k students and over 100M in assets (with the money that Anderson, Decoster and others gave over the years)

You do realize that When Liberty nearly went Bankrupt JF solicited funds from cultist Sung Yun Moon that saved the college. I don't know how much integrity is left there.  Not that HAC has any either.  I just don't think that this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-dc9nHwC2w
Is all that great a testimony either.

Numbers are not necessarily a proof of God's favor on a place but that hold true whether it is numbers of people or numbers of dollars in the bank.  Its all still numbers.

I find it ironic that on this FFF Liberty University has only 42 posts on 24 topics...compared to Hyles-Anderson College's 17,452 posts on 623 topics. Percentage wise, the negative posts are much higher on our alma mater posts.  We have also had many, many more scandals.  Yet, the point is made that Liberty University doesn't have a great testimony???  Hmmmmm.......  There ARE faithful, dedicated Christians there who have a great desire to serve the Lord.  And their graduates are keeping good churches afloat financially due to the salaries their graduates make from their degrees.  Just sayin.....