If a "Jack Hyles" took the pastorate of FBCH today......

[rsc2a]

[quote author=Bravo]I am afraid some people would still take the Jack Hyle's type and blindly try to relive the "glory days".[/quote]

See also: this thread.

 

[rsc2a]

I believe there are a few who think they do , but in reality I would doubt it.  If you think about it is there really another Rice, Roloff, Roberson, etc.?

Yay! More man worship!

 

[RAIDER]

I believe there are a few who think they do , but in reality I would doubt it.  If you think about it is there really another Rice, Roloff, Roberson, etc.?

Yay! More man worship!

rsc2a, if that's really your name, you are reading this thread with a preconceived idea that we all worship Hyles.  It is not the case.  Yes, for many of us he made a great positive impact on our lives, but we are far from worshiping him.  He definitely made some serious mistakes and decisions.  Some believe everything negative about him, others believe the negative in which they have substantial proof. 

There have been some recent posts about people dissatisfied with Pastor Wilkerson's preaching style, etc.  This is just a thread to see it the folks at Hammond would go back to a Hyles' type.

 

[bgwilkinson]

BG this is for you,...

I am afraid some people would still take the Jack Hyle's type and blindly try to relive the "glory days".

I've recently (in the last month) saw on FB a young adult state that Jack Schaap was a great pastor. And I just shook my head. I believe some would take Jack Schaap back again if they could.

I agree with you.  I believe the people of FBCH would welcome someone with Dr. Hyles personality, preaching/teaching style with open arms.

I think I might have stated this before.

When we began the search for a new pastor many stated we are looking for one 180 degrees out of phase with the last two.

 

[Bravo]

BG this is for you,...

I am afraid some people would still take the Jack Hyle's type and blindly try to relive the "glory days".

I've recently (in the last month) saw on FB a young adult state that Jack Schaap was a great pastor. And I just shook my head. I believe some would take Jack Schaap back again if they could.

I agree with you.  I believe the people of FBCH would welcome someone with Dr. Hyles personality, preaching/teaching style with open arms.

I think I might have stated this before.

When we began the search for a new pastor many stated we are looking for one 180 degrees out of phase with the last two.

I do "hear" you BG,... But the sycophants are a scary lot. You know they're there.

 

[Norefund]

Raider: You seem to want to see Hyles and Schaap separately. You couldn't get to the Schaap years without the Hyles years,... The one directly led to the other.

I do see what you are saying, but I don't think you can attribute all successes and all failures to someone who had your "job" before you.  Hyles taught people to be loyal to a pastor who was doing right.  Schaap took advantage of that mindset among the people.  The people allowed him to teach heresy.

Hyles taught people to be loyal to the preacher.....I never heard the stipulation that the preacher had to be doing right. Also, he hated being called pastor.

 

[Norefund]

I think you achieved that goal, don't you?

BG this is for you,...

I am afraid some people would still take the Jack Hyle's type and blindly try to relive the "glory days".

I've recently (in the last month) saw on FB a young adult state that Jack Schaap was a great pastor. And I just shook my head. I believe some would take Jack Schaap back again if they could.

I agree with you.  I believe the people of FBCH would welcome someone with Dr. Hyles personality, preaching/teaching style with open arms.

I think I might have stated this before.

When we began the search for a new pastor many stated we are looking for one 180 degrees out of phase with the last two.

 

[bgwilkinson]

I think you achieved that goal, don't you?

BG this is for you,...

I am afraid some people would still take the Jack Hyle's type and blindly try to relive the "glory days".

I've recently (in the last month) saw on FB a young adult state that Jack Schaap was a great pastor. And I just shook my head. I believe some would take Jack Schaap back again if they could.

I agree with you.  I believe the people of FBCH would welcome someone with Dr. Hyles personality, preaching/teaching style with open arms.

I think I might have stated this before.

When we began the search for a new pastor many stated we are looking for one 180 degrees out of phase with the last two.

Yes.

I am pleased with our new direction away from Man-O-God-ism and back to the LORD.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Raider: You seem to want to see Hyles and Schaap separately. You couldn't get to the Schaap years without the Hyles years,... The one directly led to the other.

I do see what you are saying, but I don't think you can attribute all successes and all failures to someone who had your "job" before you.  Hyles taught people to be loyal to a pastor who was doing right.  Schaap took advantage of that mindset among the people.  The people allowed him to teach heresy.

Hyles taught people to be loyal to the preacher.....I never heard the stipulation that the preacher had to be doing right. Also, he hated being called pastor.

He called himself preacher, never pastor.

He always did right. Just ask him, whatever he thought, whatever he believed, whatever he said, it was always right. If you didn't believe it just ask him and he would tell you he was right. He would tell you he was never wrong.

It brings to mind, "Every man did that which was right!" "In his own eyes."

He was the ultimate arbiter of right, he took God out of the equation.

I prefer a man like this.

"David did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, and turned not aside from any thing that he commanded him all the days of his life, save only in the matter of Uriah the Hittite."

God brings up David's sin even while praising him.

 

[Bruh]

There will never be another JH.  JH, made Vick Nish sleep in his own basement.  LOL!!  And he had the KGB after him, he may have even been the number two on the list. 

I mean really, think about it Raider, CAN there ever really be another JH.  I think not.

Now IF there were to be one show up.......................Yeah, I really believe they (FBCH) would follow.............................. but not Bob Gray he is his own man and so are his two son's. 

Just say'n!!

And Keith Gomez current wife was a virgin when they got married. 

 

[prophet]

There will never be another JH.  JH, made Vick Nish sleep in his own basement.  LOL!!  And he had the KGB after him, he may have even been the number two on the list. 

I mean really, think about it Raider, CAN there ever really be another JH.  I think not.

Now IF there were to be one show up.......................Yeah, I really believe they (FBCH) would follow.............................. but not Bob Gray he is his own man and so are his two son's. 

Just say'n!!

And Keith Gomez current wife was a virgin when they got married.

And I saw Elvis.

 

[fishinnut]

There will never be another JH.  JH, made Vick Nish sleep in his own basement.  LOL!!  And he had the KGB after him, he may have even been the number two on the list. 

I mean really, think about it Raider, CAN there ever really be another JH.  I think not.

Now IF there were to be one show up.......................Yeah, I really believe they (FBCH) would follow.............................. but not Bob Gray he is his own man and so are his two son's. 

Just say'n!!

And Keith Gomez current wife was a virgin when they got married.

And I saw Elvis.

Recently?

 

[prophet]

There will never be another JH.  JH, made Vick Nish sleep in his own basement.  LOL!!  And he had the KGB after him, he may have even been the number two on the list. 

I mean really, think about it Raider, CAN there ever really be another JH.  I think not.

Now IF there were to be one show up.......................Yeah, I really believe they (FBCH) would follow.............................. but not Bob Gray he is his own man and so are his two son's. 

Just say'n!!

And Keith Gomez current wife was a virgin when they got married.

And I saw Elvis.

Recently?

He was slapping Arafat around, you would've been proud.

 

[fishinnut]

There will never be another JH.  JH, made Vick Nish sleep in his own basement.  LOL!!  And he had the KGB after him, he may have even been the number two on the list. 

I mean really, think about it Raider, CAN there ever really be another JH.  I think not.

Now IF there were to be one show up.......................Yeah, I really believe they (FBCH) would follow.............................. but not Bob Gray he is his own man and so are his two son's. 

Just say'n!!

And Keith Gomez current wife was a virgin when they got married.

And I saw Elvis.

Recently?

He was slapping Arafat around, you would've been proud.

8)

 

[Smellin Coffee]

There will never be another JH.  JH, made Vick Nish sleep in his own basement.  LOL!!  And he had the KGB after him, he may have even been the number two on the list. 

I mean really, think about it Raider, CAN there ever really be another JH.  I think not.

Now IF there were to be one show up.......................Yeah, I really believe they (FBCH) would follow.............................. but not Bob Gray he is his own man and so are his two son's. 

Just say'n!!

And Keith Gomez current wife was a virgin when they got married.

And I saw Elvis.

In an elevator?

 

[cast.sheep]

There has been so much blatant hypocrisy, man-o-god-ism, and strong-arming from the pulpit that most people have a distaste for Hyles' style of church leadership.  The younger generation doesn't  have the "do as I say" mentality.  They grew up in that "system" and they don't want anything to do with it anymore.  That's why they are running FROM "fundamentalism" and sometimes Christianity altogether.  They come back...but not to THAT kind of church.  They end up in Bethel-like churches.  Where they are accepted as they are.  They WANT Christ but they don't want to be beat down at church.

I, for one, do not handle well anymore preachers who scream and yell from the pulpit.  I had 30 years of that.  I am a mature adult and I don't need anyone to yell at me to get me to understand.  I need the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit to reach into my soul.  In my 30 years at FBC, the screaming was so loud that I couldn't hear that still, small voice.  It was drowned out completely. 

Why do so many of our pastors (or any Christians for that matter) conduct themselves nothing like Jesus, supposedly our ultimate example.  Think about it.  Were Christ's sermons ever yelling and screaming? Did He berate people into obedience? Did He FORCE His authority onto His followers?  No! So where did that style of leadership begin????  Who decided that Christ's example of leadership wasn't good enough? 

 

[RAIDER]

There has been so much blatant hypocrisy, man-o-god-ism, and strong-arming from the pulpit that most people have a distaste for Hyles' style of church leadership.  The younger generation doesn't  have the "do as I say" mentality.  They grew up in that "system" and they don't want anything to do with it anymore.  That's why they are running FROM "fundamentalism" and sometimes Christianity altogether.  They come back...but not to THAT kind of church.  They end up in Bethel-like churches.  Where they are accepted as they are.  They WANT Christ but they don't want to be beat down at church.

I, for one, do not handle well anymore preachers who scream and yell from the pulpit.  I had 30 years of that.  I am a mature adult and I don't need anyone to yell at me to get me to understand.  I need the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit to reach into my soul.  In my 30 years at FBC, the screaming was so loud that I couldn't hear that still, small voice.  It was drowned out completely. 

Why do so many of our pastors (or any Christians for that matter) conduct themselves nothing like Jesus, supposedly our ultimate example.  Think about it.  Were Christ's sermons ever yelling and screaming? Did He berate people into obedience? Did He FORCE His authority onto His followers?  No! So where did that style of leadership begin????  Who decided that Christ's example of leadership wasn't good enough?

Not sure if this is yelling and forcing authority or not.

Matthew 23

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Just giving you a hard time. 

 

[brainisengaged]

Can't ascertain whether it is the yelling...or the arrogance that is more of a turn-off now. I used to be so darn PROUD of the fact our preechers were screechers. Family would visit and would be pretty horrified, and would ask us, "Why do they have to yell like that?" We would almost gloat about it, "That is preaching! That is what the Bible teaches they are SUPPOSED to do. What, does your pastor 'talk' to you? Is he a lily-livered limp-wristed panty wearing Momma's boy? We have a real man up there and real men scream and spit and holler and rip you a new one every time they step in to the pulpit!" (I don't think that was ever the actual conversation...but we were always asked about the yelling, and no one ever wanted to visit a second time)

But Larry Smith spoke last night at the Thanksgiving service...and he didn't yell. No, he didn't yell, but the arrogance and superiority and meanness that oozes out of the guy is so palpable to me that I cannot for the LIFE of me understand how no one else seems to see it. *shudder*

 

[Bravo]

There has been so much blatant hypocrisy, man-o-god-ism, and strong-arming from the pulpit that most people have a distaste for Hyles' style of church leadership.  The younger generation doesn't  have the "do as I say" mentality.  They grew up in that "system" and they don't want anything to do with it anymore.  That's why they are running FROM "fundamentalism" and sometimes Christianity altogether.  They come back...but not to THAT kind of church.  They end up in Bethel-like churches.  Where they are accepted as they are.  They WANT Christ but they don't want to be beat down at church.

I, for one, do not handle well anymore preachers who scream and yell from the pulpit.  I had 30 years of that.  I am a mature adult and I don't need anyone to yell at me to get me to understand.  I need the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit to reach into my soul.  In my 30 years at FBC, the screaming was so loud that I couldn't hear that still, small voice.  It was drowned out completely. 

Why do so many of our pastors (or any Christians for that matter) conduct themselves nothing like Jesus, supposedly our ultimate example.  Think about it.  Were Christ's sermons ever yelling and screaming? Did He berate people into obedience? Did He FORCE His authority onto His followers?  No! So where did that style of leadership begin????  Who decided that Christ's example of leadership wasn't good enough?

Not sure if this is yelling and forcing authority or not.

Matthew 23

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Just giving you a hard time. 

You bring up a good point Raider. Jesus gave the religious rulers of his day a hard time for sure. But when he preached to the people he didn't take that tone it seems.

 

[RAIDER]

There has been so much blatant hypocrisy, man-o-god-ism, and strong-arming from the pulpit that most people have a distaste for Hyles' style of church leadership.  The younger generation doesn't  have the "do as I say" mentality.  They grew up in that "system" and they don't want anything to do with it anymore.  That's why they are running FROM "fundamentalism" and sometimes Christianity altogether.  They come back...but not to THAT kind of church.  They end up in Bethel-like churches.  Where they are accepted as they are.  They WANT Christ but they don't want to be beat down at church.

I, for one, do not handle well anymore preachers who scream and yell from the pulpit.  I had 30 years of that.  I am a mature adult and I don't need anyone to yell at me to get me to understand.  I need the still, small voice of the Holy Spirit to reach into my soul.  In my 30 years at FBC, the screaming was so loud that I couldn't hear that still, small voice.  It was drowned out completely. 

Why do so many of our pastors (or any Christians for that matter) conduct themselves nothing like Jesus, supposedly our ultimate example.  Think about it.  Were Christ's sermons ever yelling and screaming? Did He berate people into obedience? Did He FORCE His authority onto His followers?  No! So where did that style of leadership begin????  Who decided that Christ's example of leadership wasn't good enough?

Not sure if this is yelling and forcing authority or not.

Matthew 23

13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation.

15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.

23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.

27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

Just giving you a hard time. 

You bring up a good point Raider. Jesus gave the religious rulers of his day a hard time for sure. But when he preached to the people he didn't take that tone it seems.

He shucked the corn!!