If a "Jack Hyles" took the pastorate of FBCH today......

[RAIDER]

....what would the church and college look like in 10 years?

We know what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Dr. Hyles.  We saw the changes and we saw what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Schaap.  We are seeing the changes and are getting a look at FBCH and HAC under the leadership of Pastor Wilkerson. 

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years?   

 

[prophet]

Fantasize much?

Since we are in that realm,
I get to be Flash Gordon!!!

 

[RAIDER]

Fantasize much?

Since we are in that realm,
I get to be Flash Gordon!!!

Just thought it would be a good thread for discussion.  From the posts of those that currently attend FBCH there are several different viewpoints about the current situation.

 

[prophet]

Fantasize much?

Since we are in that realm,
I get to be Flash Gordon!!!

Just thought it would be a good thread for discussion.  From the posts of those that currently attend FBCH there are several different viewpoints about the current situation.

Great!

I just thought I would be sarcastic. Which reminds me, would this new "pastor" be a smart alek?

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Fantasize much?

Since we are in that realm,
I get to be Flash Gordon!!!

Just thought it would be a good thread for discussion.  From the posts of those that currently attend FBCH there are several different viewpoints about the current situation.

Great!

I just thought I would be sarcastic. Which reminds me, would this new "pastor" be a smart alek?

Depends. Does he have a bass section in the choir?

 

[prophet]

Fantasize much?

Since we are in that realm,
I get to be Flash Gordon!!!

Just thought it would be a good thread for discussion.  From the posts of those that currently attend FBCH there are several different viewpoints about the current situation.

Great!

I just thought I would be sarcastic. Which reminds me, would this new "pastor" be a smart alek?

Depends. Does he have a bass section in the choir?

If he is a smart aleck, one will spontaneously generate, wont it?

 

[rsc2a]

Is there no end to the worship of this man?

 

[RAIDER]

Is there no end to the worship of this man?

No worship.  Just wondering if the church has changed to the point where they would reject someone like JH, or if they would like things back the way they use to be.

 

[BALAAM]

Is there no end to the worship of this man?

Apparently you have never heard of Bob Gray. He still only uses jack hyles approved soap and toilet paper.

 

[RAIDER]

Is there no end to the worship of this man?

Apparently you have never heard of Bob Gray. He still only uses jack hyles approved soap and toilet paper.

Classic! 

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Fantasize much?

Since we are in that realm,
I get to be Flash Gordon!!!

Just thought it would be a good thread for discussion.  From the posts of those that currently attend FBCH there are several different viewpoints about the current situation.

Great!

I just thought I would be sarcastic. Which reminds me, would this new "pastor" be a smart alek?

Depends. Does he have a bass section in the choir?

If he is a smart aleck, one will spontaneously generate, wont it?

Good point!

 

[fishinnut]

Another JH clone type would certainly demand a bulletproof pulpit to preach behind.

 

[bgwilkinson]

If we used the same deliberative process as we used for our current pastor he would fail in these two areas.

1. "A bishop then must be blameless"  Fail, not blameless.

2. "One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)"
Massive fail, children zero out of four.  He had the Eli syndrome. Immoral son and sons-in-law.

There were so-called great preachers on our list that could not pass this simple list of Biblical qualifications.

Put very simply he would not be welcome today, we are experiencing the result of his ministry and for it we are paying dearly.

 

[sword]

....what would the church and college look like in 10 years?

We know what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Dr. Hyles.  We saw the changes and we saw what FBCH and HAC looked like under the leadership of Schaap.  We are seeing the changes and are getting a look at FBCH and HAC under the leadership of Pastor Wilkerson. 

Here is the hypothetical scenario - Let's say Pastor Wilkerson resigned.  Let's say that a personality like Jack Hyles (preaching and teaching style, leadership style, personality style, etc) arrived on the scene.  First of all, would FBCH choose him?  If they did choose him, what would things look like in 10 years? 

It all depends, would it be the:

Young Jack Hyles in his late 20's.
The middle aged Jack Hyles in his 40's & 50's.
The older Jack Hyles in his later years.

 

[Baptist City Holdout]

Knowest thou not the scripture saith expressly, "Copy the young Jack Hyles."

 

[RAIDER]

If we used the same deliberative process as we used for our current pastor he would fail in these two areas.

1. "A bishop then must be blameless"  Fail, not blameless.

2. "One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;
  (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)"
Massive fail, children zero out of four.  He had the Eli syndrome. Immoral son and sons-in-law.

There were so-called great preachers on our list that could not pass this simple list of Biblical qualifications.

Put very simply he would not be welcome today, we are experiencing the result of his ministry and for it we are paying dearly.

You are missing the OP.  This is not Jack Hyles reincarnated.  This would be a fellow with a Jack Hyles' type personality and preaching style.  Let's say he has no children.  Let's say he is 40 years old and has a wonderful, godly wife. Let's say his record is spotless. 

 

[RAIDER]

Put very simply he would not be welcome today, we are experiencing the result of his ministry and for it we are paying dearly.

You are experiencing the results of Jack Schaap's ministry.  While I can see how you can use the "trickle-down affect" to blame Hyles, the major problems FBCH is having is from the Schaap years.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Put very simply he would not be welcome today, we are experiencing the result of his ministry and for it we are paying dearly.

You are experiencing the results of Jack Schaap's ministry.  While I can see how you can use the "trickle-down affect" to blame Hyles, the major problems FBCH is having is from the Schaap years.

And Schaap is a result of the Hyles years.

Hyles covered over many, many things because he had the guile, tact and charisma to do so. I wouldn't think personality or "style" would matter one way or the other. People tend to respond better when they feel they are loved, regardless of whether they truly are loved or not. So if a person could truly love or feign love effectively, I don't think demeanor would be a factor in most cases.

Having been out of Hammond for over 2 decades now, I can only speak as a generalization and not particularly on behalf of those in Hammond.

 

[bgwilkinson]

Put very simply he would not be welcome today, we are experiencing the result of his ministry and for it we are paying dearly.

You are experiencing the results of Jack Schaap's ministry.  While I can see how you can use the "trickle-down affect" to blame Hyles, the major problems FBCH is having is from the Schaap years.

I sure can understand why you would say that.
I'm thinking about Tim S. and his taking of an under age person to Fla.

Quoted from D Magazine.

"A background search on the Smiths was begun and in midsummer produced more than expected. Billie Jo Cole uncovered school principal Tim Smith’s 1976 dismissal from Saginaw, Michigan’s Sheridan Road Baptist Church and school following the discovery that Smith had conducted an extended relationship with a seventeen-year-old student, whom he took to Florida for several months, leaving his wife and children behind and devastating the church.

http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/1988/september/gods-man-savior-or-seducer

Tim basically did what JS did only decades earlier. JS looked at Tim and noticed the girl was 17 and that TS took her to Florida over a thousand miles from Michigan and for weeks not just days.  What harm could there be in going to an adjoining state, he reasoned?

There was a buzz about this at FBCH at the time, it seemed so totally unbelievable. Looking back it was totally understandable and believable.

IMHO that is why JS thought he could get away with it.

Then you have DH. JS thought if DH could get way with it he could too.
I could go on but that was all in the 70s and 80s, the die had been cast.
Yes JS is the capstone of the JH way and completes JH's legacy.

A young JH results in a mature JH, which results in the mess we have in our church and many other JH type churches.

We can now clearly see where his methods and philosophies end.

This is of course my humble opinion.

 

[RAIDER]

Put very simply he would not be welcome today, we are experiencing the result of his ministry and for it we are paying dearly.

You are experiencing the results of Jack Schaap's ministry.  While I can see how you can use the "trickle-down affect" to blame Hyles, the major problems FBCH is having is from the Schaap years.

And Schaap is a result of the Hyles years.

While you are correct in saying that Schaap is a result of the Hyles' years, so are 100s of other men and women that are serving the Lord faithfully in full-time ministry.  Schaap allowed pride to take over his ministry.  I do not blame Hyles for Schaap's downfall.