Fight back against the "equality" avatars

[Izdaari]

I know you mean well, Timothy. But I think you misunderstand the relevant Scriptures. I won't try to explain it. You'll get it eventually, or you won't.

Does your understanding of scripture allow for the homosexual to be reformed? Or, do you believe in a hands off policy? I would seek to help reform the homosexual.

In my experience (which is pretty extensive: I'm from Seattle (aka San Francisco North) and am connected with its LGBT community), some few identify as homosexuals who aren't really, and those few can be reformed. Some bisexuals can be as well, since they already are attracted to at least some opposite gender individuals. Others? Probably not. Seeking to reform any outside of those categories is pretty futile. It's not a question of sin (except as being part of a fallen world); most gays are hardwired that way.

http://youtu.be/sjSG6z_13-Q

 

[Timothy]

"most gays are hardwired that way" Posted by: Izdaari

I don't agree with that. 1), God didn't create them that way, and 2) Nothing is impossible with God.

The problem is that society accepts their sin and gives them the fuel to believe they are unchangeable.

 

[rsc2a]

"most gays are hardwired that way" Posted by: Izdaari

I don't agree with that. 1), God didn't create them that way...

What is your justification for this statement?

[quote author=Timothy]...and 2) Nothing is impossible with God.[/quote]

Absolutely.

[quote author=Timothy]The problem is that society accepts their sin and gives them the fuel to believe they are unchangeable.
[/quote]

Then there are others who accept them without accepting their sin. The problem is that you don't accept them.

 

[Castor Muscular]

I'll tell you why most gay men can't change.  It's the lisp.

Imagine faking a lisp for 20 years, and then when you go straight, you talk normally.  How could you face any of your friends or anyone else you know?  How do you admit to them that you never actually had a lisp, but you faked it in order to sound more gay?  You would be disowned by every LGBT friend you ever had for the embarassment you caused for the LGBT community. 

I suppose you could go gay again, and then say you were faking the normal voice...

EDIT: 20 years is a more realistic lowball

 

[Timothy]

"most gays are hardwired that way" Posted by: Izdaari

I don't agree with that. 1), God didn't create them that way...

What is your justification for this statement?

[quote author=Timothy]...and 2) Nothing is impossible with God.

Absolutely.

[quote author=Timothy]The problem is that society accepts their sin and gives them the fuel to believe they are unchangeable.
[/quote]

Then there are others who accept them without accepting their sin. The problem is that you don't accept them.
[/quote]

My justification? Genesis 1:27, "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

Do you believe Homosexuality to be a good?

Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.

I dare not say my Holy God created people to be Homosexual - this is dangerous ground.

They are confused and living in Sin - just like millions and millions of other people.

 

[rsc2a]

"most gays are hardwired that way" Posted by: Izdaari

I don't agree with that. 1), God didn't create them that way...

What is your justification for this statement?

[quote author=Timothy]...and 2) Nothing is impossible with God.

Absolutely.

[quote author=Timothy]The problem is that society accepts their sin and gives them the fuel to believe they are unchangeable.

Then there are others who accept them without accepting their sin. The problem is that you don't accept them.
[/quote]

My justification? Genesis 1:27, "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

Do you believe Homosexuality to be a good?

Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.

I dare not say my Holy God created people to be Homosexual - this is dangerous ground.

They are confused and living in Sin - just like millions and millions of other people.[/quote]

Did your holy God create some people to like nice things? What about with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism? Did He create others with a predisposition towards carbs? Did He create yet others with a predisposition to energetic passion? How about some with great intellect that can often lead to pride? Did He design men in such a way that they notice a beautiful women?

 

[Timothy]

"most gays are hardwired that way" Posted by: Izdaari

I don't agree with that. 1), God didn't create them that way...

What is your justification for this statement?

[quote author=Timothy]...and 2) Nothing is impossible with God.

Absolutely.

[quote author=Timothy]The problem is that society accepts their sin and gives them the fuel to believe they are unchangeable.

Then there are others who accept them without accepting their sin. The problem is that you don't accept them.

My justification? Genesis 1:27, "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."

Do you believe Homosexuality to be a good?

Woe to those who call evil good
    and good evil,
who put darkness for light
    and light for darkness,
who put bitter for sweet
    and sweet for bitter.

I dare not say my Holy God created people to be Homosexual - this is dangerous ground.

They are confused and living in Sin - just like millions and millions of other people.[/quote]

Did your holy God create some people to like nice things? What about with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism? Did He create others with a predisposition towards carbs? Did He create yet others with a predisposition to energetic passion? How about some with great intellect that can often lead to pride? Did He design men in such a way that they notice a beautiful women?
[/quote]

God created a perfect world and a perfect man. God gave us a perfect Savior.

SIN gives us a messed up world, a messed up man, and a struggle in the flesh.

The power behind sin is beyond our total understanding.

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]Did your holy God create some people to like nice things? What about with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism? Did He create others with a predisposition towards carbs? Did He create yet others with a predisposition to energetic passion? How about some with great intellect that can often lead to pride? Did He design men in such a way that they notice a beautiful women?

God created a perfect world and a perfect man. God gave us a perfect Savior.

SIN gives us a messed up world, a messed up man, and a struggle in the flesh.

The power behind sin is beyond our total understanding.

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.
[/quote]

So yes or no?

 

[Timothy]

[quote author=rsc2a]Did your holy God create some people to like nice things? What about with a genetic predisposition towards alcoholism? Did He create others with a predisposition towards carbs? Did He create yet others with a predisposition to energetic passion? How about some with great intellect that can often lead to pride? Did He design men in such a way that they notice a beautiful women?

God created a perfect world and a perfect man. God gave us a perfect Savior.

SIN gives us a messed up world, a messed up man, and a struggle in the flesh.

The power behind sin is beyond our total understanding.

Be alert and of sober mind. Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour.

So yes or no?
[/quote]

I am not an expert on the embedded diversity created by God vs that embedded and influence by sin.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Then there are others who accept them without accepting their sin. The problem is that you don't accept them.

What does this mean?

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]So yes or no?

I am not an expert on the embedded diversity created by God vs that embedded and influence by sin.[/quote]

Let me ask you bluntly: were you created by God?

 

[rsc2a]

Then there are others who accept them without accepting their sin. The problem is that you don't accept them.

What does this mean?

It means that you should accept people where they are at. Can you hope they grow and change? Sure, but your acceptance isn't based on that growth and neither is your acceptance conditioned on that growth.

 

[ALAYMAN]

It means that you should accept people where they are at. Can you hope they grow and change? Sure, but your acceptance isn't based on that growth and neither is your acceptance conditioned on that growth.

Are we talking about people who claim to be Christians?  If so, and they are patently unrepentant, are you suggesting that this definition of "acceptance" means that we don't urge them to repent?  Does it also mean there are no consequences for that unrepentant individual in regards to their fellowship within the body of believers?

 

[Timothy]

[quote author=rsc2a]So yes or no?

I am not an expert on the embedded diversity created by God vs that embedded and influence by sin.

Let me ask you bluntly: were you created by God?
[/quote]

I don't understand the total miracle of birth, but yes, I believe I was created by God.

But - that said - the influences of sin begin in the womb.

 

[Izdaari]

I'll tell you why most gay men can't change.  It's the lisp.

Imagine faking a lisp for 20 years, and then when you go straight, you talk normally.  How could you face any of your friends or anyone else you know?  How do you admit to them that you never actually had a lisp, but you faked it in order to sound more gay?  You would be disowned by every LGBT friend you ever had for the embarassment you caused for the LGBT community. 

I suppose you could go gay again, and then say you were faking the normal voice...

EDIT: 20 years is a more realistic lowball

LOL!

http://youtu.be/ixHujoSAC3k

 

[rsc2a]

It means that you should accept people where they are at. Can you hope they grow and change? Sure, but your acceptance isn't based on that growth and neither is your acceptance conditioned on that growth.

Are we talking about people who claim to be Christians?  If so, and they are patently unrepentant, are you suggesting that this definition of "acceptance" means that we don't urge them to repent?  Does it also mean there are no consequences for that unrepentant individual in regards to their fellowship within the body of believers?

One can have homosexual desires without practicing homosexuality just as one can be an alcoholic and choose not to drink alcohol just as one can have a problem with food and choose not to gorge themselves on cheesecake.

 

[rsc2a]

[quote author=rsc2a]So yes or no?

I am not an expert on the embedded diversity created by God vs that embedded and influence by sin.

Let me ask you bluntly: were you created by God?

I don't understand the total miracle of birth, but yes, I believe I was created by God.

But - that said - the influences of sin begin in the womb.[/quote]

Were you created by God to find women attractive?

 

[ALAYMAN]

One can have homosexual desires without practicing homosexuality just as one can be an alcoholic and choose not to drink alcohol just as one can have a problem with food and choose not to gorge themselves on cheesecake.

What in the sam hill does that have to do with what I asked?

I don't have any doubt that people can have all sorts of sinful desires that they fight and ultimately don't act upon.  That's a far cry from those who act upon their urges and then demand that we "accept" their Lady Gaganess.

 

[Timothy]

[quote author=rsc2a]So yes or no?

I am not an expert on the embedded diversity created by God vs that embedded and influence by sin.

Let me ask you bluntly: were you created by God?

I don't understand the total miracle of birth, but yes, I believe I was created by God.

But - that said - the influences of sin begin in the womb.

Were you created by God to find women attractive?
[/quote]

Yes - I would agree that God's perfect design of man is to find women attractive.

 

[rsc2a]

One can have homosexual desires without practicing homosexuality just as one can be an alcoholic and choose not to drink alcohol just as one can have a problem with food and choose not to gorge themselves on cheesecake.

What in the sam hill does that have to do with what I asked?

I don't have any doubt that people can have all sorts of sinful desires that they fight and ultimately don't act upon.  That's a far cry from those who act upon their urges and then demand that we "accept" their Lady Gaganess.

Have I said anything about people who unapologetically act upon their urges to sin?