Dictatorial Preacher Rule - Where It All Began

[Ekklesian]

Ok sooo, pray for God to send a man to start a IFB church in my area? Or pray for God to change the heart of current, Lording over Gods heritage, Pastor??

I guess what you’re saying makes sense. Pray for God to change the heart of current said pastors heart and wait patiently on God to move while me and my family sit through all his topical current event, beat a dead horse sermons.

No. I don't think your situation and questions are that serious.

'what do I do? what do I do?'

The answer is, get off your butt.

 

[Bruh]

No. I don't think your situation and questions are that serious.

'what do I do? what do I do?'

The answer is, get off your butt.

We are not members of an IFB church.

But it is that serious to people that still believe in that system. That’s why I’m asking, because trust me, they believe Gods best for all people is to be members of an IFB church.

I thought you said pray and now your saying get off my but. Make your mind up big guy.

 

[Bob Jones VI]

I once was of the opinion that only IFB churches preached the gospel. It was what was pounded into my new believer head. They had a love for the Bible and my pastor wasn't like that, but he'd have colleges come, and missionaries and people who ran Prison ministries would speak. I heard them rant against Southern Baptists to the point that I thought if I took my kids to a Southern Baptist Church on vacation they would never hear any truth and there were no godly people in them. Its a false representation of people they differ with.

 

[Bruh]

I once was of the opinion that only IFB churches preached the gospel. It was what was pounded into my new believer head. They had a love for the Bible and my pastor wasn't like that, but he'd have colleges come, and missionaries and people who ran Prison ministries would speak. I heard them rant against Southern Baptists to the point that I thought if I took my kids to a Southern Baptist Church on vacation they would never hear any truth and there were no godly people in them. Its a false representation of people they differ with.

So so true! Very sad as well.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Sooooo, if theres none in your area, move to a different state?

Have you investigated all the Baptist churches in your area? Do you believe you have to go to IFB church?

 

[ALAYMAN]

And there’re telling us that you can find one that’s not like that. Heres what my experience tells me.

This is what they mean. No, no we’re not like those other IFB pastors, don’t get me wrong there’re out there but we’re not like that. Look our Pastor has a beard.

And that right there in their minds means there’re not like the others.

No, your assumptions seem very flawed about what to look for in a church. None of the independent Baptist churches in my area, except possibly one, follow anything close to the Hyles model. And that's just the independent Baptist ones. Broaden your horizons a bit. Independent Baptists don't hold a corner on the gospel. Find a church that has true expositional, grace oriented teaching/preaching and you won't see near as much of the stuff that you apparently have been burnt by and exposed to.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Not me. I believe a pastor should live at the income level of the town he pastors.

If that’s 30k a year or 60k or 80k whatever the average income level in that town is.

Where in the Bible do you find these principles for pay?

 

[Bruh]

Have you investigated all the Baptist churches in your area? Do you believe you have to go to IFB church?

no, no, no, no, no……we go to a non IFB church now. I know many IFB people that believe that the IFB church is Gods best for any and all people. Hence, my question. I’ve asked a few IFB this question and of course I’d be able to continue being IFB if I didn’t have a problem with authority and if I wasn’t bitter that’s kinda there go to isn’t it?

 

[ALAYMAN]

no, no, no, no, no……we go to a non IFB church now. I know many IFB people that believe that the IFB church is Gods best for any and all people. Hence, my question. I’ve asked a few IFB this question and of course I’d be able to continue being IFB if I didn’t have a problem with authority and if I wasn’t bitter that’s kinda there go to isn’t it?

So it seems like you do know the answer to your own question, then. Those who are apt to be gullible enough to believe that IFBs (of the "mannagawd" stripe) are the only true church aren't going to look where they can escape the trap that they have placed themselves in. Ekklesian gave some sound advice.

 

[Bruh]

No, your assumptions seem very flawed about what to look for in a church. None of the independent Baptist churches in my area, except possibly one, follow anything close to the Hyles model. And that's just the independent Baptist ones. Broaden your horizons a bit. Independent Baptists don't hold a corner on the gospel. Find a church that has true expositional, grace oriented teaching/preaching and you won't see near as much of the stuff that you apparently have been burnt by and exposed to.

We actually attend a non IFB church now.

Before that we tried 4 different IFB churches over 16 years and all operated this way. Of course we were told that we were bitter and had a problem with authority.

Anyway,

 

[Bruh]

Where in the Bible do you find these principles for pay?

It’s my opinion. Care to share yours?

If I make 30k a year and my wife makes 30k a year his wife’s just gonna have to get a job like every one else.

Why would there be any objections to him living like the community.

If I make 30k a year and my wife stays home and we make it happen on 30k a year he can too.

 

[ALAYMAN]

We actually attend a non IFB church now.

Before that we tried 4 different IFB churches over 16 years and all operated this way. Of course we were told that we were bitter and had a problem with authority.

Ok, maybe your area is saturated with group-think, lol. I have traveled a lot on vacation and every time I do I go to church. I have been to many different types of Baptist churches. Some were cut from the same cloth as what you're talking about, some were contemporary, others were a little more "uppity". One had the men sit on opposite sides of the church from the women. The differences were sometimes more stylistic, but others were philosophical ministry directions. What's the point? There's a lot of flavors of Baptist out there. I've already told you that in all the independent Baptist churches in my area won't fit that authoritarian mold that you have experienced. So one person's anecdotal evidence is another person's inexperience. I'm not trying to sound highfalutin here, but I can look at a website and generally tell what the church atmosphere is going to be like before I ever make a visit. If I were scouting at church I would be able to see the ear marks of the problems that you are referencing and I wouldn't spend long there in my efforts to see if it was a potential Church home for me. Once I got to the point of thinking that I might be comfortable with I had experienced while scouting the church I would eventually request a meeting with the pastor and ask more in-depth questions. In my opinion, with minimal effort I can "read the room" well enough in that kind of a situation to be able to ferret out imposters and posers.

 

[Bruh]

Ok, maybe your area is saturated with group-think, lol. I have traveled a lot on vacation and every time I do I go to church. I have been to many different types of Baptist churches. Some were cut from the same cloth as what you're talking about, some were contemporary, others were a little more "uppity". One had the men sit on opposite sides of the church from the women. The differences were sometimes more stylistic, but others were philosophical ministry directions. What's the point? There's a lot of flavors of Baptist out there. I've already told you that I'm all the independent Baptist churches in my area won't fit that authoritarian mold that you have experienced. So one person's anecdotal evidence is another person's inexperience. I'm not trying to sound highfalutin here, but I can look at a website and generally tell what the church atmosphere is going to be like before I ever make a visit. If I were scouting at church I would be able to see the ear marks of the problems that you are referencing and I wouldn't spend long there in my efforts to see if it was a potential Church home for me. Once I got to the point of thinking that I might be comfortable with I had experienced while scouting the church. I would eventually request a meeting with the pastor and ask more in-depth questions. In my opinion, with minimal effort I can "read the room" well enough in that kind of a situation to be able to ferret out imposters and posers.

Very good. But before we broke away this is how we were taught as adults so we definitely tried to stay. I’m glad we finally saw the light and stopped worrying about what others would think. Come to find out, those people we were worried about aren’t even in our lives 20 years later you live and learn and pass those lessons on to your children.

Man you must live in a land far far away

 

[ALAYMAN]

It’s my opinion. Care to share yours?

If I make 30k a year and my wife makes 30k a year his wife’s just gonna have to get a job like every one else.

Why would there be any objections to him living like the community.

If I make 30k a year and my wife stays home and we make it happen on 30k a year he can too. For watch

The level of education that typifies pastoral requirements is at a baccalaureate level. Would you pay any other professional with a bachelor's degree 30k? His wife's state of employment should have nothing to do with what he should be paid.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Very good. But before we broke away this is how we were taught as adults so we definitely tried to stay. I’m glad we finally saw the light and stopped worrying about what others would think. Come to find out, those people we were worried about aren’t even in our lives 20 years later you live and learn and pass those lessons on to your children.

Yes, conformity to social expectations shouldn't be considered the same thing as obedience to the Lord. Many folk confuse allegiance to the cult of personality to being a good Christian. But my conscience is captive to the word ultimately, not manmade followship. I will admit that in my young and growing Christian years I was susceptible to that same problem that you are referring to. We ought to grow up out of the milk and into the meat though.

 

[Bruh]

The level of education that typifies pastoral requirements is at a baccalaureate level. Would you pay any other professional with a bachelor's degree 30k? His wife's state of employment should have nothing to do with what he should be paid.

All I’m saying is this.

If in the community he is serving the average family takes home $500 a week and he takes home $1,000 a week how is he supposed to relate to these people.

And if the pastor believes he’s worth more than what the average person’s annual income is then he probably needs to look for another company to work for.
And that’s fair. If he thinks he’s worth more than go get it.

If the pastor lives below what the average person annual income is I believe that’s wrong.

 

[abcaines]

During the panicdemic, Mrs. Abcaines and I took a vacation to Montana. The Sunday we were there, we looked up a church in Drummond, a wide spot on I-90 about an hour east of Missoula. The website indicated it was the kind of church we'd be comfortable attending so we visited. We walked in wearing our CMA colors. It turned out that the pastor's parents were the state coordinators for CMA Montana. What a sweet morning of fellowship we all had. We have since gotten to know the Montana state coordinators personally and we still marvel at how the Lord led us to a small church in the middle of nowhere with such close ties to our ministry back home.

 

[AverageJoe]

It all started when preachers found the verse, touch not God's anointed. Just saying

That's for sure! I surprised one church when during a Bible study one evening the pastor declared my wife and I weren't saved because we didn't agree 100 percent with his opinion of what the Bible taught on preservation of the Word of God in ONLY the KJV. The misapplication of Scripture to support his views, and the hodge podge of verses being strung together to allegedly support his views were pointed out and he resorted to verbal, mental, spiritual, and physical attacks The ",mannagawd" wasn't so much what he claimed to be.

 

[AverageJoe]

During the panicdemic, Mrs. Abcaines and I took a vacation to Montana. The Sunday we were there, we looked up a church in Drummond, a wide spot on I-90 about an hour east of Missoula. The website indicated it was the kind of church we'd be comfortable attending so we visited. We walked in wearing our CMA colors. It turned out that the pastor's parents were the state coordinators for CMA Montana. What a sweet morning of fellowship we all had. We have since gotten to know the Montana state coordinators personally and we still marvel at how the Lord led us to a small church in the middle of nowhere with such close ties to our ministry back home.

WOW! I have a brother in Missoula,! If I would have known I would have had you stop by to present the Gospel to him and his "fiance". I've shared the Gospel several times but it seems it went right over his head.

 

[abcaines]

WOW! I have a brother in Missoula,! If I would have known I would have had you stop by to present the Gospel to him and his "fiance". I've shared the Gospel several times but it seems it went right over his head.

I typically stay away from Missoula and only pass through as necessary. Missoula is to Montana what Portland is to Oregon.