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Just an FYI -- Jesus instituted the communion with Judas partaking. Satan had already entered Judas by that time.
Are you eating at Chick FIL A today?
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T-Bone said:
Sure.
[quote author=T-Bone]...and not even eat with certain people.[/quote]
Reference please?
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2 John 9-11...you're welcome!
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You do realize that John was addressing the issue of false teachers in the church here right?
rsc2a said:
Reference please?
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2 John 9-11...you're welcome!
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You do realize that John was addressing the issue of false teachers in the church here right?
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You do realize he was saying that these false teachers could not be believers because they denied that Jesus is the Christ ...right?
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[quote author=T-Bone]You do realize he was saying that these false teachers could not be believers because they denied that Jesus is the Christ ...right?[/quote]
Yet they claimed to be brethren...so if you'll look at my correction again....
Both John and Paul gave great warnings about fellowshipping and even eating and offering lodging to those who claim to be brothers yet deny Christ or professing Christians who are living in sin. It is undeniable and contrary to what the article proposes.
I'll be waiting on that Scripture reference....
Yet they claimed to be brethren...so if you'll look at my correction again....
Both John and Paul gave great warnings about fellowshipping and even eating and offering lodging to those who claim to be brothers yet deny Christ or professing Christians who are living in sin. It is undeniable and contrary to what the article proposes.
I'll be waiting on that Scripture reference....
rsc2a said:
Yet they claimed to be brethren...so if you'll look at my correction again....
Both John and Paul gave great warnings about fellowshipping and even eating and offering lodging to those who claim to be brothers yet deny Christ or professing Christians who are living in sin. It is undeniable and contrary to what the article proposes.
I'll be waiting on that Scripture reference....
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John does not reference them as believers or even false teachers who were once believers...to him they were unbelievers and deceivers of the church...thus the adminition to refrain from having fellowship with them. You have been given the passage you just choose to warp it to fit your preference. The point is made that we are not to sit down with just everybody or anybody...so the table can be a place of division according to the Bible...whether for so-called believers, believers choosing to go into sin, or those who are not believers like these antichrists.
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I thought
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I doubt it.
The linked article attempted to exploit the Bible to show that people are wrong to express their opinion regarding the issue of Biblical marriage. He did it by saying that we shouldn't divide by using food, because Jesus never divided by use of food. The reasoning is fallacious. Jesus most certainly did cause division, and He most certainly did call sinners to repentance, so when people come together in the marketplace of ideas to express their views on morality it shouldn't be suppressed, especially when it actually does align with what the Bible teaches.
I thought
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I doubt it.
The linked article attempted to exploit the Bible to show that people are wrong to express their opinion regarding the issue of Biblical marriage. He did it by saying that we shouldn't divide by using food, because Jesus never divided by use of food. The reasoning is fallacious. Jesus most certainly did cause division, and He most certainly did call sinners to repentance, so when people come together in the marketplace of ideas to express their views on morality it shouldn't be suppressed, especially when it actually does align with what the Bible teaches.
Castor Muscular said:
Interesting thought...but in reading the Gospels it seems that though Judas was there for the celebration of Passover, he was absent from the sharing of the Lord's Supper... What think ye?
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T-Bone said:
John does not reference them as believers or even false teachers who were once believers...to him they were unbelievers and deceivers of the church...thus the adminition to refrain from having fellowship with them. You have been given the passage you just choose to warp it to fit your preference. The point is made that we are not to sit down with just everybody or anybody...so the table can be a place of division according to the Bible...whether for so-called believers, believers choosing to go into sin, or those who are not believers like these antichrists.
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Hmm....
Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. (1 John 2:18-19 ESV)
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[quote author=ALAYMAN]I doubt it.
The linked article attempted to exploit the Bible to show that people are wrong to express their opinion regarding the issue of Biblical marriage. He did it by saying that we shouldn't divide by using food, because Jesus never divided by use of food. The reasoning is fallacious. Jesus most certainly did cause division, and He most certainly did call sinners to repentance, so when people come together in the marketplace of ideas to express their views on morality it shouldn't be suppressed, especially when it actually does align with what the Bible teaches.[/quote]
So when you offset, quoted and bolded the words of ThatGirl then immediately made your counter-argument about her point, you weren't referring to the quoted bolded words of ThatGirl or her point. Gotcha. :
The linked article attempted to exploit the Bible to show that people are wrong to express their opinion regarding the issue of Biblical marriage. He did it by saying that we shouldn't divide by using food, because Jesus never divided by use of food. The reasoning is fallacious. Jesus most certainly did cause division, and He most certainly did call sinners to repentance, so when people come together in the marketplace of ideas to express their views on morality it shouldn't be suppressed, especially when it actually does align with what the Bible teaches.[/quote]
So when you offset, quoted and bolded the words of ThatGirl then immediately made your counter-argument about her point, you weren't referring to the quoted bolded words of ThatGirl or her point. Gotcha. :
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Hmm....
Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come. Therefore we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us. (1 John 2:18-19 ESV)
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Hmm..underline the next line and then keep it is 2 john...either way you are making a distinction without a difference...the table can be used to divide.
jimmudcatgrant said:
Ahhhhhh, gotcha
rsc2a said:
Not so long as they continue to produce delicious chicken sandwiches.
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Just so. Fried chicken is yummy. Politics is not fried chicken. Politics is not even coleslaw or mashed potatoes.
Fried chicken is also not pedantic and pointless, like some of the arguments here.
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[quote author=T-Bone]Hmm..underline the next line and then keep it is 2 john...either way you are making a distinction without a difference...[/quote]
No...there is a great difference in those who call themselves Christian but live in unrepentant sin and those who don't self-identify as Christians. Paul treats the two groups very differently. (See also Jesus and His response to the religious elites vs the unwashed masses.)
[quote author=T-Bone]...the table can be used to divide.[/quote]
Your original argument wasn't that it can be used to divide (as it surely can), but that Scripture commands us to divide in this area.
No...there is a great difference in those who call themselves Christian but live in unrepentant sin and those who don't self-identify as Christians. Paul treats the two groups very differently. (See also Jesus and His response to the religious elites vs the unwashed masses.)
[quote author=T-Bone]...the table can be used to divide.[/quote]
Your original argument wasn't that it can be used to divide (as it surely can), but that Scripture commands us to divide in this area.
ThatGirl said:
That's politics too... and thus, not fried chicken. The reason to eat fried chicken is because it tastes good.
rsc2a said:
No...there is a great difference in those who call themselves Christian but live in unrepentant sin and those who don't self-identify as Christians. Paul treats the two groups very differently. (See also Jesus and His response to the religious elites vs the unwashed masses.)
[quote author=T-Bone]...the table can be used to divide.[/quote]
Your original argument wasn't that it can be used to divide (as it surely can), but that Scripture commands us to divide in this area.
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The verse in 2 John answers you last point...not my problem if you refuse to see it.