Zimmerman case

[christundivided]

[quote author=christundivided]It doesn't matter to me that he followed him. He was within his rights to do so. Its was a public area. I have no problem with him wanting to keep track of him until the POLICE actually arrived. I believe if you'd be honest, you might would have done the same thing.

Yeah....because he was black and stuff.  :-\
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Race Baiter.....

I know you want to follow me around the forum....should I be afraid?

 

[graceandtruth]

They probably would but I find nothing suspicious about people walking down a street they pay taxes to maintain even if I don't know them.

Trevon the tax payer and maintainer......

I would assume he did pay taxes on his skittles and ice tea like we all do.  My city uses sales taxes along with property taxes and state funds to maintain the streets.  Now if someone knows where to get snacks at halftime without paying taxes please let me know because this 9.5% tax is killing me. 

So passing sales tax, that is sent to the state as part of a businesses retail agreement, makes one a taxpayer.....

Shoot, going to write that in on my 1040.

Thanks H&R Block.

The majority of our city's sales tax is revenue for the city that is used at the city's discretion.  So paying sales TAX would make you a TAXpayer  .........Thanks for the laugh CU

 

[prophet]

If Trevon assaulted him, nothing else matters.

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[graceandtruth]

If Trevon assaulted him, nothing else matters.

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Unless Treyvon was provoked or felt threatened by a strange man following him.  I think they call that stalking and it is suspicious behavior.  Then Treyvon would have been standing his ground....right? 

 

[cave_dweller]

If Trevon assaulted him, nothing else matters.

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Unless Treyvon was provoked or felt threatened by a strange man following him.  I think they call that stalking and it is suspicious behavior.  Then Treyvon would have been standing his ground....right?

I believe the reports state that there had been burgalrys in the neighborhood previous to this incident by young mostly black young males. Zimmerman was over zelaous for sure, but there are witnesses that have corroborated his side of the story

 

[graceandtruth]

If Trevon assaulted him, nothing else matters.

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Unless Treyvon was provoked or felt threatened by a strange man following him.  I think they call that stalking and it is suspicious behavior.  Then Treyvon would have been standing his ground....right?

I believe the reports state that there had been burgalrys in the neighborhood previous to this incident by young mostly black young males. Zimmerman was over zelaous for sure, but there are witnesses that have corroborated his side of the story

Let me get this straight.  Your final answer is that if a person stalks you as you are walking through a neighborhood and then leaves his vehicle to to pursue you on foot that if you are a black male in a neighborhood where a black male has committed a burglary that you do not have the right to feel threatened and if you feel threatened you cannot stand your ground.  So who exactly can stand their ground again?  That's funny cave-dweller.....

PS:  If they knew young black males had committed the previous burglaries then that means they had been apprehended unless they left a note saying they were young black males.  Surely Zimmerman did not expect every young black male to clear it with him before having the audacity to go out in the middle of the game and get ice tea and skittles.  Did he let all young black males know that he had imposed a curfew until young black males stopped committing burglaries and then he would institute one for young white males at that time?  LOL.......Too funny Cave_dweller......LOL 

 

[Castor Muscular]

Unless Treyvon was provoked or felt threatened by a strange man following him.  I think they call that stalking and it is suspicious behavior.  Then Treyvon would have been standing his ground....right?

Feeling provoked because someone is following you is not the same thing as standing your ground because someone attacks you. 

I don't know if we'll ever get all the facts about the case, but everything I've seen so far exonerates Zimmerman.  It sounds like Treyvon attacked Zimmerman, got him on the ground, and started beating his face and slamming the back of his head against the ground, after which Zimmerman shot him.  If that's how it really happened, then Zimmerman should fear only lawyers and judges who want to play racial politics with the case. 

 

[cave_dweller]

If Trevon assaulted him, nothing else matters.

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Unless Treyvon was provoked or felt threatened by a strange man following him.  I think they call that stalking and it is suspicious behavior.  Then Treyvon would have been standing his ground....right?

I believe the reports state that there had been burgalrys in the neighborhood previous to this incident by young mostly black young males. Zimmerman was over zelaous for sure, but there are witnesses that have corroborated his side of the story

Let me get this straight.  Your final answer is that if a person stalks you as you are walking through a neighborhood and then leaves his vehicle to to pursue you on foot that if you are a black male in a neighborhood where a black male has committed a burglary that you do not have the right to feel threatened and if you feel threatened you cannot stand your ground.  So who exactly can stand their ground again?  That's funny cave-dweller.....

PS:  If they knew young black males had committed the previous burglaries then that means they had been apprehended unless they left a note saying they were young black males.  Surely Zimmerman did not expect every young black male to clear it with him before having the audacity to go out in the middle of the game and get ice tea and skittles.  Did he let all young black males know that he had imposed a curfew until young black males stopped committing burglaries and then he would institute one for young white males at that time?  LOL.......Too funny Cave_dweller......LOL

There has been witnesses that have corrborated Zimmermans side of the story. Everything you just spilled from your mouth is speculative. Last time I checked you and I were not there to witness this. Why are a lashing out over this?

 

[graceandtruth]

No lashing out just sharing the other side of the story.

Trayvon's girlfriend said that he was talking on the phone telling her that this guy was following him.  He is 17 and an adult is following him around in the dark don't you think that might be a little unnerving?  The guy has been following him in the vehicle and then gets out and approaches him on foot what should he do?  Offer him skittles and ice tea?  Come on?

Let's be realistic.  If you were walking through a neighborhood and someone was following you around in their vehicle for some time.  They then exit the vehicle and start to pursue you in the dark.  What do you do?  Let's be honest.  You don't know the guy.  You don't know if he has friends coming to help him.  You don't know if he is armed.  What do you do? 

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground.  If you initiate the situation and depend on fear to control the situation you will find that you have miscalculated.  Why is it so hard to understand that an African-American youth would defend himself when he felt he was in danger with his hands but not hard to believe that Zimmerman would defend himself when he found he had bitten off more than he could chew.  America is still a very dangerous place for an African-American male because of situations like this.

I must confess I did not expect this response from Christians but my wife always tells me that I am a little too trusting.

 

[cave_dweller]

If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run. quote by grace and truth.




great, lets make this a white black thing. nice sterotype

 

[Castor Muscular]

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground. 

The stand your ground law protects those who fight back when they are attacked. 

If Zimmerman had attacked Trayvon first, Trayvon would have some bruises or other signs of the struggle, and then he'd have died from the gunshot and Zimmerman wouldn't have a scratch on him.  Obviously, that's not what happened. 

Somehow, Zimmerman ended up on the ground with his face and back of his head bashed, AFTER which, he shot Trayvon. 

That doesn't sound like Trayvon just stood his ground.  It sounds like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.  That puts Trayvon in the wrong, and Zimmerman in the right, legally. 

 

[graceandtruth]

Let me give you a peek at the other side of the equation.

I am an African-American male.  I usually dress business casual about 90% of the time.  I am a pastor and a metrologist in a machine shop.  I live in a predominately Euro-American neighborhood.  I have been approached walking down the street at night on my evening constitution.  When he asked where I was going I gave him my patent response, "Any where I want."  When asked for ID, I informed him that I would not show him my ID or give him any additional information unless I was under arrest.  I informed him that if he continued his line of questioning or I noticed him watching me for the rest of my walk then I would file a formal complaint against him and the department with our state troopers who handle complaints against local law enforcement.  He was very upset and very insulted.  I informed him that I felt the exact same way that he felt because of his actions.  I let him know in all the years that I walked in predominately African-American neighborhoods I had never had such an encounter and would not tolerate such encounters in any neighborhood.  Later I spoke to the mayor who is a personal friend about the incident and he assured me it would not happen again.  I was even kind enough to not mention the officer's name and badge number which I always get when dealing with any police officer for any reason.

Now can you imagine would I would tell any civilian approaching me questioning what I am doing walking on a public street.  I would probably call the police and press charges against them for harassing me.  I would also not allow them to get with arms reach of me.  I would warn them to keep their distance because I would be thinking they  must have lost their mind.

You may consider this reaction to be a little extreme but I have been exhausted by racial profiling long ago.  Things like an African-American male committed a burglary in the neighborhood is no reason to interrogate me.  I would not expect my any of my 11 sons to submit to any civilian's questioning of them simply because they are in a certain neighborhood.  I teach them to say they are going anywhere they want to and to make sure they get the policeman's badge number and name.  They deserve the same courtesies that are given to other ethnic groups and must stand their ground against anything less. 

 

[graceandtruth]

If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run. quote by grace and truth.




great, lets make this a white black thing. nice sterotype

Cave_dweller it already is.  We would be foolish to assume that the culture of people does not influence their response to certain stimuli.  I think it was you that said it was young African-American males that were committing all the burglaries in the area so Zimmerman was justified in his racial profiling.

Part of the problem is that we live in a society where people have determined their reaction is the normal and anything else is wrong on excessive.  I know if a guy was following me around in the dark in a truck and then jumped out and ran towards me he would have a problem.  I would warn him to stop and go somewhere else.  If he continued and got within arms reach he would find that he made a terrible miscalculation.  I would assume that while he was following me he was devising his plan so my survival depends on preventing him from enacting that plan.

 

[graceandtruth]

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground. 

The stand your ground law protects those who fight back when they are attacked. 

If Zimmerman had attacked Trayvon first, Trayvon would have some bruises or other signs of the struggle, and then he'd have died from the gunshot and Zimmerman wouldn't have a scratch on him.  Obviously, that's not what happened. 

Somehow, Zimmerman ended up on the ground with his face and back of his head bashed, AFTER which, he shot Trayvon. 

That doesn't sound like Trayvon just stood his ground.  It sounds like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.  That puts Trayvon in the wrong, and Zimmerman in the right, legally.

Castor if I feel my life is threatened I have to wait until I am bleeding before I can do anything to prevent someone from harming me?  You are saying someone follows you in a truck and then starts pursuing you on foot and you don't feel threatened or you wait until he carries out his plan before you do anything to defend yourself.  Come on.........You really don't expect me to believe that?

 

[cave_dweller]

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground. 

The stand your ground law protects those who fight back when they are attacked. 

If Zimmerman had attacked Trayvon first, Trayvon would have some bruises or other signs of the struggle, and then he'd have died from the gunshot and Zimmerman wouldn't have a scratch on him.  Obviously, that's not what happened. 

Somehow, Zimmerman ended up on the ground with his face and back of his head bashed, AFTER which, he shot Trayvon. 

That doesn't sound like Trayvon just stood his ground.  It sounds like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.  That puts Trayvon in the wrong, and Zimmerman in the right, legally.

Castor if I feel my life is threatened I have to wait until I am bleeding before I can do anything to prevent someone from harming me?  You are saying someone follows you in a truck and then starts pursuing you on foot and you don't feel threatened or you wait until he carries out his plan before you do anything to defend yourself.  Come on.........You really don't expect me to believe that?

Bottom line....... Zimmerman will not spend time in prison for murder.  This will go to a central florida jury bub

 

[graceandtruth]

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground. 

The stand your ground law protects those who fight back when they are attacked. 

If Zimmerman had attacked Trayvon first, Trayvon would have some bruises or other signs of the struggle, and then he'd have died from the gunshot and Zimmerman wouldn't have a scratch on him.  Obviously, that's not what happened. 

Somehow, Zimmerman ended up on the ground with his face and back of his head bashed, AFTER which, he shot Trayvon. 

That doesn't sound like Trayvon just stood his ground.  It sounds like Trayvon attacked Zimmerman and Zimmerman defended himself.  That puts Trayvon in the wrong, and Zimmerman in the right, legally.

Castor if I feel my life is threatened I have to wait until I am bleeding before I can do anything to prevent someone from harming me?  You are saying someone follows you in a truck and then starts pursuing you on foot and you don't feel threatened or you wait until he carries out his plan before you do anything to defend yourself.  Come on.........You really don't expect me to believe that?

Bottom line....... Zimmerman will not spend time in prison for murder.  This will go to a central florida jury bub

You are probably right Cave_dweller and that is the problem and that is why the racial divide is as wide as it has ever been just covered with the coat of political correctness even in our churches.

 

[HeDied4U]

No lashing out just sharing the other side of the story.

Trayvon's girlfriend said that he was talking on the phone telling her that this guy was following him.  He is 17 and an adult is following him around in the dark don't you think that might be a little unnerving?  The guy has been following him in the vehicle and then gets out and approaches him on foot what should he do?  Offer him skittles and ice tea?  Come on?

Let's be realistic.  If you were walking through a neighborhood and someone was following you around in their vehicle for some time.  They then exit the vehicle and start to pursue you in the dark.  What do you do?  Let's be honest.  You don't know the guy.  You don't know if he has friends coming to help him.  You don't know if he is armed.  What do you do? 

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground.  If you initiate the situation and depend on fear to control the situation you will find that you have miscalculated.  Why is it so hard to understand that an African-American youth would defend himself when he felt he was in danger with his hands but not hard to believe that Zimmerman would defend himself when he found he had bitten off more than he could chew.  America is still a very dangerous place for an African-American male because of situations like this.

I must confess I did not expect this response from Christians but my wife always tells me that I am a little too trusting.

IF he felt unnerved (and we may never know if he was or not), why didn't he hang up on his girlfriend and call the police and tell them he was being followed through the neighborhood by an adult and that he felt frightened/scared/unnerved? Could very well have saved his life.

 

[prophet]

TM's reaction was different than G&T's, because they are spiritually very different.  TM was an evil person, a drug dealer, a rebellious youth, and deserving of death....according to the Law of God.
G&T is  a law- abiding citizen, a Pastor, a child of God.
The moment TM assaulted GZ, the case went from harrassment  to assault with deadly intent.
What we don't have, is audio of the racist epithets that TM hurled, as he tried to beat GZ to death, the violent threatenings, the aggressive, hateful, savage attitude.
I have been there, but I didn't shoot my way out.  I pastored in Englewood, Chicago, IL.  I have been assaulted, and had my life verbally threatened several times, by young bastards, with no respect for authority....for good reason, they've had no father.
This is sad all of the way around, but the bottom line is: TM threatened GZ's life, and GZ only bothered TM.  One is annoying, the other is illegal.  One deserves instruction, training, maybe even fines; The other deserves death.
Florida won't miss another dead thug...ugly truth.

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[qwerty]

TM's reaction was different than G&T's, because they are spiritually very different.  TM was an evil person, a drug dealer, a rebellious youth, and deserving of death....according to the Law of God.
G&T is  a law- abiding citizen, a Pastor, a child of God.
The moment TM assaulted GZ, the case went from harrassment  to assault with deadly intent.
What we don't have, is audio of the racist epithets that TM hurled, as he tried to beat GZ to death, the violent threatenings, the aggressive, hateful, savage attitude.
I have been there, but I didn't shoot my way out.  I pastored in Englewood, Chicago, IL.  I have been assaulted, and had my life verbally threatened several times, by young bastards, with no respect for authority....for good reason, they've had no father.
This is sad all of the way around, but the bottom line is: TM threatened GZ's life, and GZ only bothered TM.  One is annoying, the other is illegal.  One deserves instruction, training, maybe even fines; The other deserves death.
Florida won't miss another dead thug...ugly truth.

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But he bought skittles, so that gave him the right to be a thug!

 

[graceandtruth]

No lashing out just sharing the other side of the story.

Trayvon's girlfriend said that he was talking on the phone telling her that this guy was following him.  He is 17 and an adult is following him around in the dark don't you think that might be a little unnerving?  The guy has been following him in the vehicle and then gets out and approaches him on foot what should he do?  Offer him skittles and ice tea?  Come on?

Let's be realistic.  If you were walking through a neighborhood and someone was following you around in their vehicle for some time.  They then exit the vehicle and start to pursue you in the dark.  What do you do?  Let's be honest.  You don't know the guy.  You don't know if he has friends coming to help him.  You don't know if he is armed.  What do you do? 

Let me let you in on a little ethnic secret.  If an African-American male feels threatened he will usually not run.  He will stand his ground.  If you initiate the situation and depend on fear to control the situation you will find that you have miscalculated.  Why is it so hard to understand that an African-American youth would defend himself when he felt he was in danger with his hands but not hard to believe that Zimmerman would defend himself when he found he had bitten off more than he could chew.  America is still a very dangerous place for an African-American male because of situations like this.

I must confess I did not expect this response from Christians but my wife always tells me that I am a little too trusting.

IF he felt unnerved (and we may never know if he was or not), why didn't he hang up on his girlfriend and call the police and tell them he was being followed through the neighborhood by an adult and that he felt frightened/scared/unnerved? Could very well have saved his life.

Why didn't Zimmerman do the same?  That's right the law enforcement personnel had already told him not to approach the young man that he was stalking through the neighborhood.  Sorry but telling your girlfriend, "I am scarred of this man that is following me (in my little girl voice)" is not normal at all.  Too funny..........