Why Jack Schaap Fell

[bgwilkinson]

One word for that.

Integrity.

 

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We returned the funds. 

Surely my eyes are deceiving me!

 

[patriotic]

I just today talked with a man from out of town who grew up here. He stayed at his brother's house and when they walked in the door there was a huge picture of JS hanging in his living room right above his couch. They started to argue about it and the couple with the picture are still of the mind that this poor man did one little misdeed and is being made into a scapegoat. You all know the lines: We are all sinners, None of us are perfect, Look at all the good he did, He helped us out, etc.

Lots of luck with that moving on thing. I think that if js had done his deeds on the platform in plain view of everyone there would be people who would defend and support him. Just like all the despots throughout history. (and I am not sayng js is one)

That's just plain gross....even had he been a perfect specimen of Christlikeness. 

I appreciate my pastor, but I'm quite certain, since he is not a close family member, his picture would never be displayed in my home.

Yet you have a picture of me framed above your fireplace in my HAC Alumni Blazer taking a sip of Binaca.  A bit of a double standard I would say.

Well, we USED to have a big rodent problem.  Nothing worked at their eradication until I displayed your likeness over the hearth of the home.

True story. 

 

[patriotic]

I just today talked with a man from out of town who grew up here. He stayed at his brother's house and when they walked in the door there was a huge picture of JS hanging in his living room right above his couch. They started to argue about it and the couple with the picture are still of the mind that this poor man did one little misdeed and is being made into a scapegoat. You all know the lines: We are all sinners, None of us are perfect, Look at all the good he did, He helped us out, etc.

Lots of luck with that moving on thing. I think that if js had done his deeds on the platform in plain view of everyone there would be people who would defend and support him. Just like all the despots throughout history. (and I am not sayng js is one)

I definitely agree with you.  The "scapegoat" line is a bit too much.  I realize that someone who has been blessed by the actions of an individual sometimes finds it hard to condemn the individual to the level of someone who doesn't have the same feelings toward the individual. (Wow!!  That was a long sentence!) 

I had a friend who worked as an assistant for a man for 10 years.  This friend made a serious mistake.  He admitted his wrong, made things right, and moved on.  There were people who loved this guy.  They did not condone his wrong.  The pastor was bitter and made the comment, "The way I look at it what this guy did disqualifies any good he did here."

I have never been a Schaap fan.  I have been critical of his crazy teaching and preaching for several years.  It is easy for me to drop the judgment hammer.  On the other hand, I'm sure Schaap has done much good for many people.  It would have to be much harder for these folks to drop the hammer as quickly.  The evil Schaap did must be paid for, but the good he did should not be forgotten.

It is very difficult to draw lines sometimes. I try very hard not to be too harsh with those who do not draw the lines in the same spot I do. I wasn't always like this. Age tends to soften you! ( You will find out in a few years Raider)

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A few years?????  Raider's head has been soft for YEARS! 
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A few years?????  Raider's head has been soft for YEARS! 
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You missed that last "A" - Did you pass out for lack of air?

 

[patriotic]

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A few years?????  Raider's head has been soft for YEARS! 
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You missed that last "A" - Did you pass out for lack of air?

My laughing is unfinished. 

 

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A few years?????  Raider's head has been soft for YEARS! 
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You missed that last "A" - Did you pass out for lack of air?

My laughing is unfinished.

OK.  I fixed it for you.

 

[prophet]

Note my addition.  Thank you very much, Prophet. Just touched a raw nerve.

Fundamentalist fiscal policy 101.

Hire the zealous peon at under poverty wages.  Teach him to claim every expense imaginable, 'cause you don't pay him enough to support a family. Teach him to 'preach out' for 'love offerings' slush funds. Publish his 'sermons' as 'books'.  Train him well, to use church resources for personal benefit, by graying the lines.  Train him to fleece the flock, by making him beg for every dime, while he is a peon.  Make him work a second job, to supplement his ministry expense. 

BUT MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CHURCH ACTIVITIES. Note: I did not say services. That is a given. I said "extra curricular activities.

Praise him publicly when he does so.
  Soon you will have created the bitterness necessary to make a staff member callously feel that anything he can 'lead' the people to 'give' him is fair game.
Next lesson is coming soon.

Anishinabe

Of course, you don't want him earning a living during the times you get 'volunteer' help from him.  Heavens, no.  He must 'seek first the kingdom of god (dictator)'.

Anishinabe

 

[16KJV11]

Note my addition.  Thank you very much, Prophet. Just touched a raw nerve.

Fundamentalist fiscal policy 101.

Hire the zealous peon at under poverty wages.  Teach him to claim every expense imaginable, 'cause you don't pay him enough to support a family. Teach him to 'preach out' for 'love offerings' slush funds. Publish his 'sermons' as 'books'.  Train him well, to use church resources for personal benefit, by graying the lines.  Train him to fleece the flock, by making him beg for every dime, while he is a peon.  Make him work a second job, to supplement his ministry expense. 

BUT MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CHURCH ACTIVITIES. Note: I did not say services. That is a given. I said "extra curricular activities.

Praise him publicly when he does so.
  Soon you will have created the bitterness necessary to make a staff member callously feel that anything he can 'lead' the people to 'give' him is fair game.
Next lesson is coming soon.

Anishinabe

Of course, you don't want him earning a living during the times you get 'volunteer' help from him.  Heavens, no.  He must 'seek first the kingdom of god (dictator)'.

Anishinabe

What used to irritate me was the attitude: Well, I had nothing when I came to start this church, or, I worked for peanuts when I was an assistant pastor, you should have to also.

 

[prophet]

Note my addition.  Thank you very much, Prophet. Just touched a raw nerve.

Fundamentalist fiscal policy 101.

Hire the zealous peon at under poverty wages.  Teach him to claim every expense imaginable, 'cause you don't pay him enough to support a family. Teach him to 'preach out' for 'love offerings' slush funds. Publish his 'sermons' as 'books'.  Train him well, to use church resources for personal benefit, by graying the lines.  Train him to fleece the flock, by making him beg for every dime, while he is a peon.  Make him work a second job, to supplement his ministry expense. 

BUT MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CHURCH ACTIVITIES. Note: I did not say services. That is a given. I said "extra curricular activities.

Praise him publicly when he does so.
  Soon you will have created the bitterness necessary to make a staff member callously feel that anything he can 'lead' the people to 'give' him is fair game.
Next lesson is coming soon.

Anishinabe

Of course, you don't want him earning a living during the times you get 'volunteer' help from him.  Heavens, no.  He must 'seek first the kingdom of god (dictator)'.

Anishinabe

What used to irritate me was the attitude: Well, I had nothing when I came to start this church, or, I worked for peanuts when I was an assistant pastor, you should have to also.

Maybe you should make q million selling real estate on the side, like the pastor.  Damn the laws, full speed ahead!

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[16KJV11]

Note my addition.  Thank you very much, Prophet. Just touched a raw nerve.

Fundamentalist fiscal policy 101.

Hire the zealous peon at under poverty wages.  Teach him to claim every expense imaginable, 'cause you don't pay him enough to support a family. Teach him to 'preach out' for 'love offerings' slush funds. Publish his 'sermons' as 'books'.  Train him well, to use church resources for personal benefit, by graying the lines.  Train him to fleece the flock, by making him beg for every dime, while he is a peon.  Make him work a second job, to supplement his ministry expense. 

BUT MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CHURCH ACTIVITIES. Note: I did not say services. That is a given. I said "extra curricular activities.

Praise him publicly when he does so.
  Soon you will have created the bitterness necessary to make a staff member callously feel that anything he can 'lead' the people to 'give' him is fair game.
Next lesson is coming soon.

Anishinabe

Of course, you don't want him earning a living during the times you get 'volunteer' help from him.  Heavens, no.  He must 'seek first the kingdom of god (dictator)'.

Anishinabe

What used to irritate me was the attitude: Well, I had nothing when I came to start this church, or, I worked for peanuts when I was an assistant pastor, you should have to also.

Maybe you should make q million selling real estate on the side, like the pastor.  Damn the laws, full speed ahead!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I437P using Tapatalk 2

Aye, a wee bit close to the situation, aint ya laddie...

 

[prophet]

Note my addition.  Thank you very much, Prophet. Just touched a raw nerve.

Fundamentalist fiscal policy 101.

Hire the zealous peon at under poverty wages.  Teach him to claim every expense imaginable, 'cause you don't pay him enough to support a family. Teach him to 'preach out' for 'love offerings' slush funds. Publish his 'sermons' as 'books'.  Train him well, to use church resources for personal benefit, by graying the lines.  Train him to fleece the flock, by making him beg for every dime, while he is a peon.  Make him work a second job, to supplement his ministry expense. 

BUT MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T INTERFERE WITH ANY CHURCH ACTIVITIES. Note: I did not say services. That is a given. I said "extra curricular activities.

Praise him publicly when he does so.
  Soon you will have created the bitterness necessary to make a staff member callously feel that anything he can 'lead' the people to 'give' him is fair game.
Next lesson is coming soon.

Anishinabe

Of course, you don't want him earning a living during the times you get 'volunteer' help from him.  Heavens, no.  He must 'seek first the kingdom of god (dictator)'.

Anishinabe

What used to irritate me was the attitude: Well, I had nothing when I came to start this church, or, I worked for peanuts when I was an assistant pastor, you should have to also.

Maybe you should make q million selling real estate on the side, like the pastor.  Damn the laws, full speed ahead!

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I437P using Tapatalk 2

Aye, a wee bit close to the situation, aint ya laddie...

No, I'm a couple thousand miles away from it. 

Anishinabe