Why Do Calvinists Think They Have Superior Theology?

"But He, willing to demonstrate His glory, love, mercy, all that He is...does not yet enforce that Sovereignty fully."

Prophet said this (mine emphasis) undermining God's omnipotence.

According to the Apostle Paul, God is fully Sovereign all the time. If not, all things cease to exist. "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
 
Last edited:
FSSL said:
"But He, willing to demonstrate His glory, love, mercy, all that He is...does not yet enforce that Sovereignty fully."

Prophet said this (mine emphasis) undermining God's omnipotence.

According to the Apostle Paul, God is fully Sovereign all the time. If not, all things cease to exist. "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Click to expand...

How does your citation of that passage contextually regarding the universe and its ontology answer the extent of God’s sovereignty over the matter of the will, specifically, the concept of freedom of the will?
 
FSSL said:
"But He, willing to demonstrate His glory, love, mercy, all that He is...does not yet enforce that Sovereignty fully."

Prophet said this (mine emphasis) undermining God's omnipotence.

According to the Apostle Paul, God is fully Sovereign all the time. If not, all things cease to exist. "And he is before all things, and in him all things hold together."
Click to expand...
Ah, I see! I thought YOU were giving this nonsense! It's only prophet...the second eKKK. I deeply apologize sir, for the misunderstanding. That's what happens when one is trying to juggle three labrador retrievers with one hand while reading the Fundamental Forums, and talking on the phone! LOL
 
ALAYMAN said:
How does your citation of that passage contextually regarding the universe and its ontology answer the extent of God’s sovereignty over the matter of the will, specifically, the concept of freedom of the will?
Click to expand...
It is the theological basis to Paul's argument in Colossians chapter 1 where he says... "Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you..."

ONLY a Sovereign God who is over ALL things has the authority/ability to reconcile you and make your hostile minds love Him!
 
FSSL said:
It is the theological basis to Paul's argument in Colossians chapter 1 where he says... "Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you..."

ONLY a Sovereign God who is over ALL things has the authority/ability to reconcile you and make your hostile minds love Him!
Click to expand...
Your interpretation of the scriptures. Some may not agree with you.
 
FSSL said:
It is the theological basis to Paul's argument in Colossians chapter 1 where he says... "Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you..."

ONLY a Sovereign God who is over ALL things has the authority/ability to reconcile you and make your hostile minds love Him!
Click to expand...
That’s not an exegetical basis for your interpretation, it’s presuppositional and philosophical.
 
All I did is quote Colossians 1 and Average Joe says that is my interpretation and you say it's presupositional and philosophical.

Reread Colossians 1 and tell us why God's Sovereignty doesnt relate to our salvation and a radical change of our wills.
 
Last edited:
prophet said:
He, on the other hand, IS the beginning and end. He is there at Creation, and with us in the New Jerusalem.
"Omnipresent" describes this, but inadequately for most to grasp, apparently. Not a Scriptural term, but proof that men once understood "He that dwells in eternity" is ever present in that eternity.
Omniscience- He knows all of Time at once...every second of it, til He eliminates it again.... "foreknowledge" by definition, to those of us stuck in Time.

You've seen me post it before, but:
God is The Sovereign.
But He, willing to demonstrate His glory, love, mercy, all that He is...does not yet enforce that Sovereignty fully.
Click to expand...
What wondrous love is this? to knowingly allow its object to wander a path thinking it leads to God's rewards, yet actually leads to His indignation and wrath.
 
Last edited:
ALAYMAN said:
How does your citation of that passage contextually regarding the universe and its ontology answer the extent of God’s sovereignty over the matter of the will, specifically, the concept of freedom of the will?
Click to expand...
The will is part of all things created.
 
Last edited:
AverageJoe said:
Ah, I see! I thought YOU were giving this nonsense! It's only prophet...the second eKKK. I deeply apologize sir, for the misunderstanding. That's what happens when one is trying to juggle three labrador retrievers with one hand while reading the Fundamental Forums, and talking on the phone! LOL
Click to expand...
LOL. Haven't I rightly dubbed thee, Witless Joe?
 
Ekklesian said:
What wondrous love is this? to knowingly allow its object to wander a path thinking it leads to God's rewards, yet actually leads to His indignation and wrath.
Click to expand...
It is not God's fault, if men think that the path to God lies in their own righteousness.
They abide under His wrath, already.
Should we pity these blasphemers?
He gave His Word, we rejected it.
 
FSSL said:
All I did is quote Colossians 1 and Average Joe says that is my interpretation and you say it's presupositional and philosophical.

Reread Colossians 1 and tell us why God's Sovereignty doesnt relate to our salvation and a radical change of our wills.
Click to expand...

From a Calvinist perspective, I think that indirectly you can make that statement. However, I am simply asking you to show your work from the passage cited. It’s very clearly speaking about Christ’s supremacy and preeminence in the creative work of the universe as well as authority in the church. Making it say more than that, well, it’s presupposition when philosophical.
 
The passage clearly states that God is Sovereign over all things and reconciled His enemies by removing their hostility.

If it doesnt mean that, then break it down for us.
 
prophet said:
It is not God's fault, if men think that the path to God lies in their own righteousness.
They abide under His wrath, already.
Should we pity these blasphemers?
He gave His Word, we rejected it.
Click to expand...
You said that in his love for the vessels of wrath, he suspends His sovereignty. I'm saying that's not love.
 
Ekklesian said:
LOL. Col. 1:16 supplies the context, it doesn't draw from it.
Click to expand...
LOL, flesh that out if it’s so clear from verse 16. How does Christ’s sovereignty over the whole universe, kingdoms, and the earth supply the concept of sovereignty over man’s will (and don’t bring philosophic weight of other passages into the immediate text in doing so).
 
FSSL said:
The passage clearly states that God is Sovereign over all things and reconciled His enemies by removing their hostility.

If it doesnt mean that, then break it down for us.
Click to expand...

It is the extent and definition of sovereignty that is disputed here, not that there is any claim that God is not sovereign from non-Calvinists.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top