Thoughts on church worldliness and "relevance"

Here's something else positive I can say about Rick's passion for souls, even if wrought with pragmatic pitfalls, ....


The Purpose Filled Life pg 283, Rick Warren--- "You may have been unaware that God holds you responsible for the unbelievers who live around you. The Bible says, 'You must warn them so they may live. If you don't speak out to warn the wicked to stop their evil ways, they will die in their sin. But I will hold you responsible for their death." Ezekiel 3:18


Seems Rick is a little more into confrontational evangelism, possibly even door-to-door, than many of the resident FFFers are.
 
FSSL said:
The world knows what we are AGAINST... it does not know what we are FOR.

~ Mark Hall at the Casting Crowns concert we attended last night.
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"I don't cuss, smoke or chew or run with those that do."

Typical IFBspeak
 
"I toke, tell off-color jokes, and chug brew, which proves I'm more spiritual than you."

--everyday FFF speak, code for "I cloak my carnality and antinomianism in pseudo-spirituality."
 
"I spend my entire day on a forum when I am supposed to be preparing to deliver a sermon that same evening. My goal is to debate people I don't know and may never meet. I am trying to become the most irrelevant preacher and my waste of time on this forum shows where my affections lie.

I would rather point my fingers at those who smoke (even though Spurgeon smoked), drink (even though Martin Luther drank) and ignore my own preoccupation with other people's so-called failures."

~ Alayman, a worldly, irrelevant "preacher"
 
lol, the hit dogs have gone to howlin'!
 
ALAYMAN said:
"I toke, tell off-color jokes, and chug brew, which proves I'm more spiritual than you."

--everyday FFF speak, code for "I cloak my carnality and antinomianism in pseudo-spirituality."
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I don't smoke or drink by personal preference.  Not sure what an off color joke is...

I also do not compare my spirituality with others.
 
Mathew Ward said:
ALAYMAN said:
"I toke, tell off-color jokes, and chug brew, which proves I'm more spiritual than you."

--everyday FFF speak, code for "I cloak my carnality and antinomianism in pseudo-spirituality."
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I don't smoke or drink by personal preference.  Not sure what an off color joke is...

I also do not compare my spirituality with others.
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Applaud!
 
Mathew Ward said:
ALAYMAN said:
"I toke, tell off-color jokes, and chug brew, which proves I'm more spiritual than you."

--everyday FFF speak, code for "I cloak my carnality and antinomianism in pseudo-spirituality."
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I don't smoke or drink by personal preference.  Not sure what an off color joke is...

I also do not compare my spirituality with others.
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I wouldn't expect you to confess your sin to me.



"Tell it to Jesus, tell it to Jesus, He is a friend that's well known....."
 
[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The only sin of thr
 
FSSL said:
"I spend my entire day on a forum when I am supposed to be preparing to deliver a sermon that same evening. My goal is to debate people I don't know and may never meet. I am trying to become the most irrelevant preacher and my waste of time on this forum shows where my affections lie.

I would rather point my fingers at those who smoke (even though Spurgeon smoked), drink (even though Martin Luther drank) and ignore my own preoccupation with other people's so-called failures."

~ Alayman, a worldly, irrelevant "preacher"
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I don't have to prepare sermons.  If I did, I would probably spend 24/7 studying, I don't know. :)  But that being said, I think this forum reveals a lot about the variety of Christian thought that is out there, and no doubt in the pews in most churches.  So, in that regard, being here is engaging the culture to a certain extent.  There are people here of whom I have doubts about their salvation, etc, etc.  There are others that make me check out my own salvation and spirituality.  That being said, I understand that some preachers have focused too much on legalistic means, but that doesn't mean that we just quit preaching on sin.  After all, the law is the school master that takes us to the place of salvation, although it doesn't save.  I will say again that realizing I was a sinner went a long way in taking me to the place where I knew I needed to be saved.  The biggest obstacle to me as a young Christian was those who lived like the world but claimed to be Christian. I didn't see a difference in their life in any manner, internal or external.  I think this whole thing can be boiled down to what is worldly and what isn't.  There is more than one camp, and both camps think they are superior.  I know I have been guilty of that, to my shame.  A little exceptance and love on both sides might go a long way, I don't know.  I know this from my own bible study and convictions:  It is the spirit of the law or commandments, that matters more than just the external compliance.  We can actually externally adhere to something without actually compying spiritually in our heart.  But we can also use our Christian freedom for the wrong reasons as well, even to the extent of willful sin, God forbid.  These are matters that each one of us has to flesh out in our own lifes, and I have come to the conclusion that ridiculing and condemning others for their belief system is counter-productive and will try to restrain myself from such in the future.
 
ALAYMAN said:
"I toke, tell off-color jokes, and chug brew, which proves I'm more spiritual than you."

--everyday FFF speak, code for "I cloak my carnality and antinomianism in pseudo-spirituality."
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I do not toke. I might tell an off-color joke, but only if its funniness greatly exceeds its bawdiness. I drink beer, but I do not "chug brew"; that's for frat kids who don't know what good beer is and just want to get drunk fast on cheap mass market swill. A fine craft-brewed beer should be consumed slowly, to savor the complex flavor.

Nor do I cloak my antinomianism in anything. I'm frank and open about it, taking Martin Luther as my role model.

"13. If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God's glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner."

-- from a letter from Luther to Melancthon, 1521





 
Izdaari said:
ALAYMAN said:
"I toke, tell off-color jokes, and chug brew, which proves I'm more spiritual than you."

--everyday FFF speak, code for "I cloak my carnality and antinomianism in pseudo-spirituality."
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I do not toke. I might tell an off-color joke, but only if its funniness greatly exceeds its bawdiness. I drink beer, but I do not "chug brew"; that's for frat kids who don't know what good beer is and just want to get drunk fast on cheap mass market swill. A fine craft-brewed beer should be consumed slowly, to savor the complex flavor.
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If the glove does not fit, you must acquit. ;)

You most certainly are not in mind with the quote of mine you cited, at least not in the sense of antagonizing those whom you perceive to be legalists with your proclaimed libert(ies).

Izdarri said:
Nor do I cloak my antinomianism in anything. I'm frank and open about it, taking Martin Luther as my role model.

"13. If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God's glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner."

-- from a letter from Luther to Melancthon, 1521
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Was Luther an Antinomian?

and

Luther: A Treatise Against Antinomianism
 
[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The gist of this thread seems to be attacking Alayman for offering criticism of this 'relevant movement' and being dishonest in his methods...so that is hardly a 'straw man'argument.

And to burm something, one needs the equivalent of a match...which thou seemest to lack....
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The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself.  He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.
 
ALAYMAN said:
Facepalm quote of the day:

History shows that when the church accomodates the culture, it <the accomodation, and culture> actually weakens it <the church>.---America's Pastor, Rick Warren on ABC's "This Week"


lol, if it weren't so pathetically ironic.



On a conciliatory note, I did enjoy most of the rest of his interview, other than referring to Catholics as "my brothers and sisters".
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Lol.  For proper context...usually important, Warren made the comment about the church not giving into the culture when asked by the interviewer if his church should "change it's position on homosexuality to reflect a greater acceptance today"...not a drum kit or jeans in the church. <face palm>  :)

For my "baptist brother".  ;)
 
ALAYMAN said:
[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The gist of this thread seems to be attacking Alayman for offering criticism of this 'relevant movement' and being dishonest in his methods...so that is hardly a 'straw man'argument.

And to burm something, one needs the equivalent of a match...which thou seemest to lack....
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The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself. He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.
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Oh, come on!! You call people names constantly when you have no substantive argument.
 
Bob said:
ALAYMAN said:
[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The gist of this thread seems to be attacking Alayman for offering criticism of this 'relevant movement' and being dishonest in his methods...so that is hardly a 'straw man'argument.

And to burm something, one needs the equivalent of a match...which thou seemest to lack....
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The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself. He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.
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Oh, come on!! You call people names constantly when you have no substantive argument.
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Personally, I like to call people names while making a substantive argument! ;D
 
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