Thoughts on church worldliness and "relevance"

[Bob]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The gist of this thread seems to be attacking Alayman for offering criticism of this 'relevant movement' and being dishonest in his methods...so that is hardly a 'straw man'argument.

And to burm something, one needs the equivalent of a match...which thou seemest to lack....

The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself. He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.

Oh, come on!! You call people names constantly when you have no substantive argument.

Personally, I like to call people names while making a substantive argument! ;D
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Good for you bonehead.

 

[FSSL]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The gist of this thread seems to be attacking Alayman for offering criticism of this 'relevant movement' and being dishonest in his methods...so that is hardly a 'straw man'argument.

And to burm something, one needs the equivalent of a match...which thou seemest to lack....

The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself. He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.

Oh, come on!! You call people names constantly when you have no substantive argument.
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[FSSL]

The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself.  He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.

See my post above...

And Alayman feigns his righteous indignation against worldliness and relevance.

 

[Izdaari]

Nor do I cloak my antinomianism in anything. I'm frank and open about it, taking Martin Luther as my role model.

"13. If you are a preacher of mercy, do not preach an imaginary but the true mercy. If the mercy is true, you must therefore bear the true, not an imaginary sin. God does not save those who are only imaginary sinners. Be a sinner, and let your sins be strong, but let your trust in Christ be stronger, and rejoice in Christ who is the victor over sin, death, and the world. We will commit sins while we are here, for this life is not a place where justice resides. We, however, says Peter (2. Peter 3:13) are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth where justice will reign. It suffices that through God's glory we have recognized the Lamb who takes away the sin of the world. No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day. Do you think such an exalted Lamb paid merely a small price with a meager sacrifice for our sins? Pray hard for you are quite a sinner."

-- from a letter from Luther to Melancthon, 1521

Was Luther an Antinomian?

and

Luther: A Treatise Against Antinomianism

I mean the Luther quote I used in the same way that Luther did. I am no more and no less antinomian than he was. 

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]
The gist of this thread seems to be attacking Alayman for offering criticism of this 'relevant movement' and being dishonest in his methods...so that is hardly a 'straw man'argument.

And to burm something, one needs the equivalent of a match...which thou seemest to lack....

The gargantuan irony in this exchange is that FSSL attempts to paint himself is that bastion of virtue who takes the moral high ground, accusing me of everything but being the proverbial red-headed buck-toothed step-child, and resorting to the selfsame ad hominem that he allegedly deplores having used against himself. He's a real stickler for substantive conversation that FSSL he is.

Oh, come on!! You call people names constantly when you have no substantive argument.

Personally, I like to call people names while making a substantive argument! ;D

Good for you bonehead.
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You've got half of the formula mastered.....

 

[ALAYMAN]

[quote author=Just John]Lol.  For proper context...usually important, Warren made the comment about the church not giving into the culture when asked by the interviewer if his church should "change it's position on homosexuality to reflect a greater acceptance today"...not a drum kit or jeans in the church. <face palm> 

For my "baptist brother". 
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The "context" of the thread is seeker sensitive accomodation to the culture via relevance.  Warren is the king of such pragmatism, and as such, the "facepalm" irony was set in regards to Warren's acknowledgement that capitulation to the culture within the church weakens it (yes, he did so via the homosexual agenda question posed by the interviewer).  Many would argue that Warren's accomodation using the language of the culture (within the church walls and outside them), like when he suppresses the use of the name of Jesus among a Jewish audience, or calling Jehovah the same as Allah, etc, is the height of compromise and accomodation.

yer welcome.

I mean the Luther quote I used in the same way that Luther did. I am no more and no less antinomian than he was. 

What do you think Luther meant?

Oh, come on!! You call people names constantly when you have no substantive argument.

Read my comment again.  I'm not saying that a well-placed "jackass" isn't called for when donkeys bray, but I was pointing out the whiney shrill voice that FSSL often speaks in is hypocritical when he asks for substantive conversation rather than ad hominem, but then he reverts to personal insults and misdirected dialogue.

 

[FSSL]

Read my comment again.  I'm not saying that a well-placed "jackass" isn't called for when donkeys bray, but I was pointing out the whiney shrill voice that FSSL often speaks in is hypocritical when he asks for substantive conversation rather than ad hominem, but then he reverts to personal insults and misdirected dialogue.

Oh... then quote some for us and give me an example of misdirected dialogue.

 

[Izdaari]

I mean the Luther quote I used in the same way that Luther did. I am no more and no less antinomian than he was. 

What do you think Luther meant?

I thought the first link you posted explained it pretty well.  8)

"That is a shocking statement! Is Luther encouraging Christians to practice sin as much as they like? It certainly seems so, but it is just as certain that he is not! On the contrary, this is a honest admission of our sinfulness, and a bold affirmation of the grandeur of God’s mercy and the sacrifice of Christ."

 

[Torrent v.2]

This spirit of accommodation has also affected the way we