There Are No Infants in Hell

Bruh said:
No, it’s my understanding that you say infants will be in hell?
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[sarcasm]Yes. That's why I started a thread with the title, There Are No Infants in Hell.[/sarcasm]

Bruh said:
Scripture dos not speak about infants or the unborn as it pertains to salvation.
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Of course it does. Acts 16:31, They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household." And also indirectly in many other places.
 
Ekklesian said:
[sarcasm]Yes. That's why I started a thread with the title, There Are No Infants in Hell.[/sarcasm]


Of course it does. Acts 16:31, They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household." And also indirectly in many other places.
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Oh that’s true, you Calvinist believe bc God chose you He chooses your family members as well, how convenient.
 
Bruh said:
Oh that’s true, you Calvinist believe bc God chose you He chooses your family members as well, how convenient.
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That's not what that verse is saying, but if you think it is, why don't you believe it?
 
Bruh said:
So you believe the 5th Commandment is speaking to the unborn, as well?
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I'm saying the commandment is not only to adults, which means none of the law is only to adults, and what the law says it says to those that are under the law, Rom. 3:19, that all the world may become guilty.

Despite what one may think of infants, born or not yet born, or the source and operation of faith, it is clear that the law is spoken to even very young and small children.

God sent His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that are under the law, Galatians 4:4-5, and that includes even very young and tiny children, meaning that the message of salvation is not only for adults. So you can abandon that line of reasoning.

We're also told that Christ was in all things made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. - Hebrews 2:17

So, in answer to your question, was Christ ever an unborn infant?
 
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Ekklesian said:
I'm saying the commandment is not only to adults, which means none of the law is only to adults, and what the law says it says to those that are under the law, Rom. 3:19, that all the world may become guilty.

Despite what one may think of infants, born or not yet born, or the source and operation of faith, it is clear that the law is spoken to even very young and small children.

God sent His Son, made of a woman, made under the law, to redeem them that are under the law, Galatians 4:4-5, and that includes even very young and tiny children, meaning that the message of salvation is not only for adults. So you can abandon that line of reasoning.

We're also told that Christ was in all things made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. - Hebrews 2:17

So, in answer to your question, was Christ ever an unborn infant?
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Sure.

Again, none of those verses specifically are talking to the unborn. There is no mention of the unborn. In context these letters were written to churches not the unborn that’s very very clear.

You continue to change the subject. This thread is about the unborn. Again, you provide no scripture that speaks specifically to the unborn.

You’re only speculating and talking to this as truth like the IFB do about preferences.
 
Ekklesian said:
Of course it does. Acts 16:31, They replied, "Believe in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved, you and your household." And also indirectly in many other places.
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Yes, that's ALWAYS the probability when the head of the home comes to know Christ. But he's not saying that those infants are automatically redeemed. You can't have it both ways, eKKK.
 
AverageJoe said:
Yes, that's ALWAYS the probability when the head of the home comes to know Christ. But he's not saying that those infants are automatically redeemed. You can't have it both ways, eKKK.
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In all fairness, covenant theologians do not believe these baptized infants are automatically saved either. They are considered (by them) to be "in the covenant" meaning they will be raised up in the Church with exposure to the Gospel and biblical instruction by their parents and extended family. They will have every possible opportunity to be saved but each are individually responsible as they come of age to "make their calling and election sure." Paedobaptism in a Presbyterian church (for example) is therefore the equivalent of a Baptist "Baby Dedication."

If this is Ekk's position, then I am fine with this. Of course I would not fully agree being Baptist but this goes without saying. If it is not Ekk's position, I would suggest that he get a little better studied up on the Westminster or Belgic confessions or whatever he subscribes and adheres to. :cool:
 
Bruh said:
Again, you provide no scripture that speaks specifically to the unborn.
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You're the one making it about the unborn. You asked a question, and I answered with Scripture.

The first Adam was not born of a woman, so why should the Second Adam have been? Why didn't God just scoop up some dirt and form a mature adult body for Christ to enter into?

We're told why. To made like unto His brethren in "every way," so that in every stage He shared their experience and could serve as a "merciful high priest in things pertaining to God." Now if there were no need of a mediator in the womb, there would have been no need for Christ to have lived and served there Himself.

But there He was, made under the law, showing us that even there we are under the law, and under a curse, and ripe for the Gospel.

Here's our interaction summed up:

You: The message of salvation is only for adults.

Me: Well, Paul and Silas told the jailer that the message was for his entire household.

You: Typical Calvinist, appealing to Scripture. But CONTEXT!!!! They're talking to an ADULT!!! I know the Scriptures, and there is no Scripture ever anywhere directed to a child!!

Me: The 5th Commandment comes to mind. To whom is it speaking? To them under the law. So children are under the law too. Whom did Christ come to redeem? Them under the law. Ergo, the Gospel message is for kids too.

You: (looking for a way of escape) But, but, but...what about the unborn?

Witless Joe: Ekkk is an ass!! Hee haw!!

Me: Was Christ ever an unborn infant?

You: Stop changing the subject!!!!
 
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Baptist Renegade said:
In all fairness, covenant theologians do not believe these baptized infants are automatically saved either. They are considered (by them) to be "in the covenant" meaning they will be raised up in the Church with exposure to the Gospel and biblical instruction by their parents and extended family. They will have every possible opportunity to be saved but each are individually responsible as they come of age to "make their calling and election sure." Paedobaptism in a Presbyterian church (for example) is therefore the equivalent of a Baptist "Baby Dedication."

If this is Ekk's position, then I am fine with this. Of course I would not fully agree being Baptist but this goes without saying. If it is not Ekk's position, I would suggest that he get a little better studied up on the Westminster or Belgic confessions or whatever he subscribes and adheres to. :cool:
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I'm not talking about baptized infants or Covenant Theology, and no confession has guided my thinking. In fact, I have found no confession to give a satisfactory answer.

There is no way to the Father for anyone, irrespective of class or intelligence or maturity, but by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. So if anyone, whether infant, child, or adult, is saved, it must be by grace through faith.

There is the lazy confession: all who die in infancy are elect. But we're told who the elect are, and they are the children of Abraham, the Father of faith. There is no such person as a faithless elected one.

So that leads us to the nature of saving faith. Is it an operation of the spirit, or of the mind? And when one begins to ponder that, the incredible thing isn't that a little child can have faith, it's that I, a 59 year old man, can.

What does it mean to make one's calling and election sure? Do I, or do I not have the Spirit of Christ? And how do I know? Am I looking for outward evidence? Or do I simply receive the witness the Spirit bears with my spirit, that I am God's child?
 
Ekklesian said:
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There is the lazy confession: all who die in infancy are elect.
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BB Warfield, John MacArthur, Chuck Spurgeon, Mohler…..lazy bums the lot of them!


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