There Are No Infants in Hell

Ekklesian said:
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If you think that grace through faith excludes infants, that's your problem, not the Gospel's. As for me, and any other true believer, we cannot preach any other Gospel. Christ, and faith in Him, is the only way to the Father.
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“Their destiny is determined irrespective of their choice, by an unconditional decree of God, suspended for its execution on no act of their own; and their salvation is wrought by an unconditional application of the grace of Christ to their souls, through the immediate and irresistible operation of the Holy Spirit prior to and apart from any action of their own proper wills”— BB Warfield

Not bad company to keep, notwithstanding your claims to the contrary that only pelegians demand abandonment of original sin.
 
ALAYMAN said:
“Their destiny is determined irrespective of their choice, by an unconditional decree of God, suspended for its execution on no act of their own; and their salvation is wrought by an unconditional application of the grace of Christ to their souls, through the immediate and irresistible operation of the Holy Spirit prior to and apart from any action of their own proper wills”— BB Warfield

Not bad company to keep, notwithstanding your claims to the contrary that only pelegians demand abandonment of original sin.
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Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself '? IOW, is your faith a product of your cognitive development, or independent of it?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves...
 
Ekklesian said:
Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself '? IOW, is your faith a product of your cognitive development, or independent of it?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves...
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Again, pertaining to adults....geesh...talking to you is like talking to a brick wall or someone who takes the short bus to school! ;)
 
Ekklesian said:
Adults with children?
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We can only speculate if children were present. There’s the fish and loaves and maybe one other time when scripture mentions children, in this context specifically. Children not infants and the Holy Spirit brings understanding. So there must be an understanding.
 
Ekklesian said:
Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself '? IOW, is your faith a product of your cognitive development, or independent of it?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves...
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Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

The gift is salvation...the means that God distributes the gift is faith and is according to His grace. This is where the sovereignty of God and the responsibility of man converge. Charles Spurgeon admitted he couldn't reconcile the two but both are true. Quit insulting everyone's intelligence by pretending you are the only one who can reconcile this paradox by stating the childish notion that infants can repent and believe the gospel. Of all the things Christians should be "speculating" on you are obsessed with speculating that infants burn in hell unless of course they have Christians parents, or in the Old Testament their bloodline was through Abraham.
 
AverageJoe said:
Again, pertaining to adults....geesh...talking to you is like talking to a brick wall or someone who takes the short bus to school! ;)
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Looks like I'll have to start using three-word sentences now that you've joined the conversation.

See Joe type.

See Joe post.

Oh no, Joe!

Quoted wrong post!

Ha! Ha!

Silly old Joe!
 
Bruh said:
We can only speculate if children were present. There’s the fish and loaves and maybe one other time when scripture mentions children, in this context specifically. Children not infants and the Holy Spirit brings understanding. So there must be an understanding.
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I didn't ask if children were present. Let me rephrase, do you think the audience were all childless adults? But it doesn't matter, because your stipulation is arbitrary.

It's clear you want to limit the scope of the Gospel, and assert a faithless, Christ-less access to the Father.
 
biscuit1953 said:
Eph 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,

The gift is salvation...the means that God distributes the gift is faith and is according to His grace. This is where the sovereignty of God and the responsibility of man blah blah blah blah...
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:rolleyes: Just answer the question. Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself?' In other words, is faith something that you possess by nature like cognition or the ability to speak or to hear or to see? Or is it something you're supernaturally endowed with?


biscuit1953 said:
Of all the things Christians should be "speculating" on you are obsessed with speculating that infants burn in hell unless of course they have Christians parents, or in the Old Testament their bloodline was through Abraham.
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You've been corrected on this many times, I have said nothing of the sort. Ever. Anywhere. If you keep asserting this, I'm going to have to conclude that you are a liar.

But answer this question...is the spirit of an infant an infant itself? You have some idea, obviously.
 
Ekklesian said:
:rolleyes: Just answer the question. Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself?' In other words, is faith something that you possess by nature like cognition or the ability to speak or to hear or to see? Or is it something you're supernaturally endowed with?



You've been corrected on this many times, I have said nothing of the sort. Ever. Anywhere. If you keep asserting this, I'm going to have to conclude that you are a liar.

But answer this question...is the spirit of an infant an infant itself? You have some idea, obviously.
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Grow up.
 
Ekklesian said:
I didn't ask if children were present. Let me rephrase, do you think the audience were all childless adults? But it doesn't matter, because your stipulation is arbitrary.

It's clear you want to limit the scope of the Gospel, and assert a faithless, Christ-less access to the Father.
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😂 you’re so funny you literally make me LOL!

I thought we were talking about infants or the unborn? Scripture doesn’t specifically talk about the unborn or infants.

Therefore, you are speculating. Kinda like the IFB doesn’t when it comes to woman and pants. You are adding to scripture.
 
Ekklesian said:
Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself '? IOW, is your faith a product of your cognitive development, or independent of it?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves...
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There’s no mention in this verse about the unborn. He’s speaking to adults this we know as truth. There’s no question about this, it’s adults he’s talking to no mention of the unborn. You are speculating again.
 
Ekklesian said:
Looks like I'll have to start using three-word sentences now that you've joined the conversation.

See Joe type.

See Joe post.

Oh no, Joe!

Quoted wrong post!

Ha! Ha!

Silly old Joe!
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Nope, I quoted from the right post, eKKKlesiando....you've just got your head up your bottom again. Must be a hacer thing! LOL
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Bruh said:
Scripture doesn’t specifically talk about the unborn or infants.
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Like I said, you don't know the Scriptures well enough venture into these waters, but I didn't realize how phenomenally ignorant you were till that statement. 😆

If what you said were true, then the unborn and infants are not among the elect. Simple as that, for it is the elect that are saved by grace through faith.
 
Ekklesian said:
The question is really about how one is saved.
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No, it’s my understanding that you say infants will be in hell? Scripture dos not speak about infants or the unborn as it pertains to salvation. Scripture only always is speaking to adults in context, never not one time does it mention the unborn or infants.
 
Ekklesian said:
Like I said, you don't know the Scriptures well enough venture into these waters, but I didn't realize how phenomenally ignorant you were till that statement. 😆

If what you said were true, then the unborn and infants are not among the elect. Simple as that, for it is the elect that are saved by grace through faith.
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Well, maybe you can provide scripture that speaks directly to the unborn and infants?

I can provide scripture that is specifically speaking to adults in context.
 
Ekklesian said:
Is the faith you exercise 'of yourself '? IOW, is your faith a product of your cognitive development, or independent of it?

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves...
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Are you contending that God is limited in granting salvation to only those capable of the ability to reason?
 
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