The Presidential Vote

[Tarheel Baptist]

If the liberal socialist Democrats* get another 4 years, you'll be there without leaving home.

Kinda what was said about Obama getting 8 years, yet we are still here and as free as ever. In fact, now gays couples can even be legally married!

Exactly!
Kennedy put a man on the moon!
Obama put men in the ladies shower room!

There's no place like Venezuela!
Ole Smellin!

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If the liberal socialist Democrats* get another 4 years, you'll be there without leaving home.

Kinda what was said about Obama getting 8 years, yet we are still here and as free as ever. In fact, now gays couples can even be legally married!

Exactly!
Kennedy put a man on the moon!
Obama put men in the ladies shower room!

There's no place like Venezuela!
Ole Smellin!

And again, the truth is manipulated. There is no legal recognition of same-sex couples explicitly in the Venezuelan law.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If the liberal socialist Democrats* get another 4 years, you'll be there without leaving home.

Kinda what was said about Obama getting 8 years, yet we are still here and as free as ever. In fact, now gays couples can even be legally married!

Exactly!
Kennedy put a man on the moon!
Obama put men in the ladies shower room!

There's no place like Venezuela!
Ole Smellin!

And again, the truth is manipulated. There is no legal recognition of same-sex couples explicitly in the Venezuelan law.

*Sigh*

The POINT is that Venezuela already is what liberal socialist democrats want for this country...and you're right...the gay rights agenda is simply one of the useful idiots they use to obtain power.

Low information....slow information!
There's no place like Venezuela for a liberal socialist democrat....keep clicking them thar heels!


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

 

[Smellin Coffee]

If the liberal socialist Democrats* get another 4 years, you'll be there without leaving home.

Kinda what was said about Obama getting 8 years, yet we are still here and as free as ever. In fact, now gays couples can even be legally married!

Exactly!
Kennedy put a man on the moon!
Obama put men in the ladies shower room!

There's no place like Venezuela!
Ole Smellin!

And again, the truth is manipulated. There is no legal recognition of same-sex couples explicitly in the Venezuelan law.

*Sigh*

The POINT is that Venezuela already is what liberal socialist democrats want for this country...and you're right...the gay rights agenda is simply one of the useful idiots they use to obtain power.

Low information....slow information!
There's no place like Venezuela for a liberal socialist democrat....keep clicking them thar heels!


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

And those gay rights are civil rights as allowed by our own Constitution. So if you have a problem with America not being a capitalist theocracy (sorry for the paradox), take it up with the Founding Fathers. Concerning civil rights in Venezuela, do some reading. The Republicans are more in line to Venezuela with their civil right restrictions (including the right to torture) than are the liberals.

Keep on spinnin'!

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

If the liberal socialist Democrats* get another 4 years, you'll be there without leaving home.

Kinda what was said about Obama getting 8 years, yet we are still here and as free as ever. In fact, now gays couples can even be legally married!

Exactly!
Kennedy put a man on the moon!
Obama put men in the ladies shower room!

There's no place like Venezuela!
Ole Smellin!

And again, the truth is manipulated. There is no legal recognition of same-sex couples explicitly in the Venezuelan law.

*Sigh*

The POINT is that Venezuela already is what liberal socialist democrats want for this country...and you're right...the gay rights agenda is simply one of the useful idiots they use to obtain power.

Low information....slow information!
There's no place like Venezuela for a liberal socialist democrat....keep clicking them thar heels!


http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

And those gay rights are civil rights as allowed by our own Constitution. So if you have a problem with America not being a capitalist theocracy (sorry for the paradox), take it up with the Founding Fathers. Concerning civil rights in Venezuela, do some reading. The Republicans are more in line to Venezuela with their civil right restrictions (including the right to torture) than are the liberals.

Keep on spinnin'!

;D
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

 

[Smellin Coffee]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

Of course, you're correct.
Venezuela, communist, socialist Venezuela is not relevant to the policies of Obummer and the liberal socialist Democrat party in the US... 

Please forgive me for making such a ludicrous comparison....I'm sure I'm the laughing stock of the forum for my obviously false 'spin' on the subject!


Click your heels and say... if you like starvation in Venezuela, you can keep starving in Venezuela....O'le, Smellin!

 

[Bruh]

Winners
1. Drug companies
2. Manufactures of Medical equipment.
3. Some health insurance providers.
4. Those who currently don't work but did not qualify for medicaid. (those who are 138% of the poverty level in some states may no longer qualify for subsidies or medicaid)
5. Those with pre-existing conditions & children up to 26 on mom & dads plans.
6.. Those who continue work for companies who currently do not provide health insurance.

Some of ACA is very good but it could have been accomplished through expansion of medicare/medicaid & with a few new national health care insurance regulations. Instead we get the new tax and unsustainable burden that is the ACA.  (Affordable they say?)

 

So your top 3 "winners" are capitalist business ventures. Hmmm...

FWIW, the cost of my insurance went up about $40 per paycheck but now my two adult children (under age 26) are covered including one with a preexisting condition. Both are employed but neither are provided health insurance with their company. My family deductible increased by $1500 as well. But you know what? Others now are covered where they weren't before, including 2 of my own kids. I've been in that situation where I had to buy up the wazoo for my family's insurance with an unconscionable deductible. So if raising my rates and deductible a bit are going to help someone who can't afford it otherwise, I'm OK with that.

If I'm not being to intrusive, may I ask what is ur monthly payments and the deductible?

Mine is $1060 a month and $10,000 deductible. Do you really believe my family has health insurance? I mean really, do you really believe my young children in grade school have health insurance??

Mine is through my employer and not an ACA provider. I'm paying about $370 per paycheck (bi-weekly) with $3000 individual/$6000 family deductible. 80/20 to $10,000 and 100% coverage thereafter.

And yes, if your children are injured in a car accident and you have a surgery or two to pay for, you have relief. If (God forbid) a child gets cancer, you will have treatment relief. THAT is what the plan was designed to do: limit or prevent bankruptcies due to lack of healthcare coverage.

When I was younger, two of my children had surgeries (we had no insurance) plus two births. And with family income of under $30K per year at the time of these expenses, I'm within months of finally being 'caught up' 20+ years later. So I know what you mean.

Ok gotcha! I have a major medical plan that cost me $1,060 a month and if I meet the deductible due to a major catastrophy I will have paid a minimum of $22,720. 

Now if one of them breaks an arm and it's not to bad I will not meet the 10K deductible but will have to come up with a few thousand dollars.

No biggie I work 60 to 100 hours a week for health care.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

Winners
1. Drug companies
2. Manufactures of Medical equipment.
3. Some health insurance providers.
4. Those who currently don't work but did not qualify for medicaid. (those who are 138% of the poverty level in some states may no longer qualify for subsidies or medicaid)
5. Those with pre-existing conditions & children up to 26 on mom & dads plans.
6.. Those who continue work for companies who currently do not provide health insurance.

Some of ACA is very good but it could have been accomplished through expansion of medicare/medicaid & with a few new national health care insurance regulations. Instead we get the new tax and unsustainable burden that is the ACA.  (Affordable they say?)

 

So your top 3 "winners" are capitalist business ventures. Hmmm...

FWIW, the cost of my insurance went up about $40 per paycheck but now my two adult children (under age 26) are covered including one with a preexisting condition. Both are employed but neither are provided health insurance with their company. My family deductible increased by $1500 as well. But you know what? Others now are covered where they weren't before, including 2 of my own kids. I've been in that situation where I had to buy up the wazoo for my family's insurance with an unconscionable deductible. So if raising my rates and deductible a bit are going to help someone who can't afford it otherwise, I'm OK with that.

If I'm not being to intrusive, may I ask what is ur monthly payments and the deductible?

Mine is $1060 a month and $10,000 deductible. Do you really believe my family has health insurance? I mean really, do you really believe my young children in grade school have health insurance??

Mine is through my employer and not an ACA provider. I'm paying about $370 per paycheck (bi-weekly) with $3000 individual/$6000 family deductible. 80/20 to $10,000 and 100% coverage thereafter.

And yes, if your children are injured in a car accident and you have a surgery or two to pay for, you have relief. If (God forbid) a child gets cancer, you will have treatment relief. THAT is what the plan was designed to do: limit or prevent bankruptcies due to lack of healthcare coverage.

When I was younger, two of my children had surgeries (we had no insurance) plus two births. And with family income of under $30K per year at the time of these expenses, I'm within months of finally being 'caught up' 20+ years later. So I know what you mean.

Ok gotcha! I have a major medical plan that cost me $1,060 a month and if I meet the deductible due to a major catastrophy I will have paid a minimum of $22,720. 

Now if one of them breaks an arm and it's not to bad I will not meet the 10K deductible but will have to come up with a few thousand dollars.

No biggie I work 60 to 100 hours a week for health care.

You're just spinning this issue toward a biased conservative slant....by using facts! Liberal's hate that...

 

[Smellin Coffee]

Winners
1. Drug companies
2. Manufactures of Medical equipment.
3. Some health insurance providers.
4. Those who currently don't work but did not qualify for medicaid. (those who are 138% of the poverty level in some states may no longer qualify for subsidies or medicaid)
5. Those with pre-existing conditions & children up to 26 on mom & dads plans.
6.. Those who continue work for companies who currently do not provide health insurance.

Some of ACA is very good but it could have been accomplished through expansion of medicare/medicaid & with a few new national health care insurance regulations. Instead we get the new tax and unsustainable burden that is the ACA.  (Affordable they say?)

 

So your top 3 "winners" are capitalist business ventures. Hmmm...

FWIW, the cost of my insurance went up about $40 per paycheck but now my two adult children (under age 26) are covered including one with a preexisting condition. Both are employed but neither are provided health insurance with their company. My family deductible increased by $1500 as well. But you know what? Others now are covered where they weren't before, including 2 of my own kids. I've been in that situation where I had to buy up the wazoo for my family's insurance with an unconscionable deductible. So if raising my rates and deductible a bit are going to help someone who can't afford it otherwise, I'm OK with that.

If I'm not being to intrusive, may I ask what is ur monthly payments and the deductible?

Mine is $1060 a month and $10,000 deductible. Do you really believe my family has health insurance? I mean really, do you really believe my young children in grade school have health insurance??

Mine is through my employer and not an ACA provider. I'm paying about $370 per paycheck (bi-weekly) with $3000 individual/$6000 family deductible. 80/20 to $10,000 and 100% coverage thereafter.

And yes, if your children are injured in a car accident and you have a surgery or two to pay for, you have relief. If (God forbid) a child gets cancer, you will have treatment relief. THAT is what the plan was designed to do: limit or prevent bankruptcies due to lack of healthcare coverage.

When I was younger, two of my children had surgeries (we had no insurance) plus two births. And with family income of under $30K per year at the time of these expenses, I'm within months of finally being 'caught up' 20+ years later. So I know what you mean.

Ok gotcha! I have a major medical plan that cost me $1,060 a month and if I meet the deductible due to a major catastrophy I will have paid a minimum of $22,720. 

Now if one of them breaks an arm and it's not to bad I will not meet the 10K deductible but will have to come up with a few thousand dollars.

No biggie I work 60 to 100 hours a week for health care.

Yeah, it's tough. Hopefully at some point, sooner than later, something breaks and some of these issues get ironed out. Hopefully the capitalistic principle of competition will help. I know for people (especially kids) with pre-existing conditions like Muscular Dystrophy or Cystic Fibrosis, the ACA has been a life-saver. It still has a long ways to go but here's hoping to improve using bipartisan input.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinion/2016/06/23/venezuelas-socialist-disaster/86261576/

Of course, you're correct.
Venezuela, communist, socialist Venezuela is not relevant to the policies of Obummer and the liberal socialist Democrat party in the US... 

Please forgive me for making such a ludicrous comparison....I'm sure I'm the laughing stock of the forum for my obviously false 'spin' on the subject!


Click your heels and say... if you like starvation in Venezuela, you can keep starving in Venezuela....O'le, Smellin!

Spin away, my friend!

 

[sword]

Yeah, it's tough. Hopefully at some point, sooner than later, something breaks and some of these issues get ironed out. Hopefully the capitalistic principle of competition will help. I know for people (especially kids) with pre-existing conditions like Muscular Dystrophy or Cystic Fibrosis, the ACA has been a life-saver. It still has a long ways to go but here's hoping to improve using bipartisan input.

I would have thought children with Muscular Dystrophy or Cystic Fibrosis would qualify for disabled S.S. and medicaid. They represent a very small % of the population (15,000 for M.D. & another 15,000 fo C.F.) but the health needs are clearly great. This is a clear example where medicaid should have been expanded to cover any children (or adults) on Disabled Social Security for such difficult chronic illnesses. I would suspect most here would agree that is a proper use of DSS and Medicaid funds.

 

[Bruh]

Winners
1. Drug companies
2. Manufactures of Medical equipment.
3. Some health insurance providers.
4. Those who currently don't work but did not qualify for medicaid. (those who are 138% of the poverty level in some states may no longer qualify for subsidies or medicaid)
5. Those with pre-existing conditions & children up to 26 on mom & dads plans.
6.. Those who continue work for companies who currently do not provide health insurance.

Some of ACA is very good but it could have been accomplished through expansion of medicare/medicaid & with a few new national health care insurance regulations. Instead we get the new tax and unsustainable burden that is the ACA.  (Affordable they say?)

 

So your top 3 "winners" are capitalist business ventures. Hmmm...

FWIW, the cost of my insurance went up about $40 per paycheck but now my two adult children (under age 26) are covered including one with a preexisting condition. Both are employed but neither are provided health insurance with their company. My family deductible increased by $1500 as well. But you know what? Others now are covered where they weren't before, including 2 of my own kids. I've been in that situation where I had to buy up the wazoo for my family's insurance with an unconscionable deductible. So if raising my rates and deductible a bit are going to help someone who can't afford it otherwise, I'm OK with that.

If I'm not being to intrusive, may I ask what is ur monthly payments and the deductible?

Mine is $1060 a month and $10,000 deductible. Do you really believe my family has health insurance? I mean really, do you really believe my young children in grade school have health insurance??

Mine is through my employer and not an ACA provider. I'm paying about $370 per paycheck (bi-weekly) with $3000 individual/$6000 family deductible. 80/20 to $10,000 and 100% coverage thereafter.

And yes, if your children are injured in a car accident and you have a surgery or two to pay for, you have relief. If (God forbid) a child gets cancer, you will have treatment relief. THAT is what the plan was designed to do: limit or prevent bankruptcies due to lack of healthcare coverage.

When I was younger, two of my children had surgeries (we had no insurance) plus two births. And with family income of under $30K per year at the time of these expenses, I'm within months of finally being 'caught up' 20+ years later. So I know what you mean.

Ok gotcha! I have a major medical plan that cost me $1,060 a month and if I meet the deductible due to a major catastrophy I will have paid a minimum of $22,720. 

Now if one of them breaks an arm and it's not to bad I will not meet the 10K deductible but will have to come up with a few thousand dollars.

No biggie I work 60 to 100 hours a week for health care.

Yeah, it's tough. Hopefully at some point, sooner than later, something breaks and some of these issues get ironed out. Hopefully the capitalistic principle of competition will help. I know for people (especially kids) with pre-existing conditions like Muscular Dystrophy or Cystic Fibrosis, the ACA has been a life-saver. It still has a long ways to go but here's hoping to improve using bipartisan input.

Obama ran against capitalism yet he had capitalist company help in the writing of Obamacare. I'm guessing this is the reason he didn't release the transcripts from his college. Or he knew exactly what he was doing.

As for it getting worked out/fixed.........I'm not a gambling man but I'll bet my entire life's saving that it will continue to be put on the backs of middle working class families like mine.

I feel you give Obama to much credit to his intentions..........the man truly doesn't care for the average American.......I'd take Bill Clinton over this incompetent evil liar any day.

 

[LongGone]

Evangelical Christian leaders, motivated by political self-interest, are cozying up to a leader who has placed bigotry and malice at the center of American politics. They are defending the rights of their faith while dishonoring its essence. Genuine social influence will not come by putting Christ back into Christmas; it will come by putting Christ and his priorities back into more Christians.

(Emphasis mine)

Evangelical Christians are selling out faith for politics

The Washington Post!
Well, it must be true.
I'll bet you could find corroborating 'evidence' if you went to media matters...along with assurance that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor and those phony Obama unemployment numbers LonGone quoted in his earlier post.

You are so gullible....you are in fact a crock magnet!

Ummm...you consistently twist stuff to fit your own agenda. If you paid any attention it is an OPINION in the "Opinions" portion of the site. I never insinuated it was absolute truth based on fact. It is OPINION, one with which I happen to agree. I never said that the WP was 100% true.


Oh, speaking of "crock magnet", I was speaking with one over the weekend. He went on and on about how the Orlando shooting was nothing more than a "training exercise" to stir up American support for the anti-gun lobby. He claims that nobody died, that the club was in cahoots with the liberals and media, using "deported Puerto Ricans" (his term, although Puerto Rico is an American territory) as the picture models for the obits. Of course, Obama was behind it all because he is going to force an American takeover by using military to do a door-to-door confiscation of all guns. "Black October" was to have happened in 2014 (according to him) but it will happen now by the end of the summer.

This same person is who also believes Sandy Hook was a hoax also, set up by liberals in an effort to steal away freedom from democracy to start a dictatorship with Obama as their leader. Of course he is a HUGE Fox News and Bretibart fan, among other influences which stir his political conspiracy theories.

Why is it almost all conspiracy theorists seem to be Republican? Hmmmm...

You constantly refer to some guy to talked to....Because it's the only straw you have to grasp in defending liberal idiots and idiocy.

Again, I reference the INSTITUTIONALIZED liberal idiocy!
Like if you like your plan you can keep your plan Obummer!
Like, we mandate you close your bakery, photography studio, wedding venue liberal idiot gubmits.
The guy you spoke to on the street doesn't have the power to cram his idiocy down our collective throats.

But, you knew that....you old straw grasping crock magnet you! 

There were winners and losers with Obama Care as there is with any piece of legislation. I would like you to submit the list of people you know that had to change their healthcare provider or plan. I would be surprised if there weren't people in your church who now have healthcare that did not prior to Obamacare. Is everything good about it...no but it also has provided healthcare for those who have been in dire straights without healthcare.

Me for one.
My two children for 3.
5 other pastors on our church staff for 8.
10-12 pastors that I know personally, for whatever the number.
And the list could go on and on....

They LIED to get the debacle passed, even you know that!
They PURPOSELY LIED to get the debacle passed...they admitted that.

And, it is NOT working, not sustainable.
But, to liberal's, it's the intent that counts, not the actual results.
In that sense, Liberalism really is a mental defect!

So what plan did you have previously and what plan did you have to change to and why?

We were already providing emergency healthcare (the most expensive healthcare) to people without healthcare. You saying that it is not working or sustainable does not make it so. There are drawbacks to universal healthcare including the competition issue. Canada has sustained their system. Not a perfect system but people not having healthcare is not a perfect either. 

 

[LongGone]

Evangelical Christian leaders, motivated by political self-interest, are cozying up to a leader who has placed bigotry and malice at the center of American politics. They are defending the rights of their faith while dishonoring its essence. Genuine social influence will not come by putting Christ back into Christmas; it will come by putting Christ and his priorities back into more Christians.

(Emphasis mine)

Evangelical Christians are selling out faith for politics

The Washington Post!
Well, it must be true.
I'll bet you could find corroborating 'evidence' if you went to media matters...along with assurance that if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor and those phony Obama unemployment numbers LonGone quoted in his earlier post.

You are so gullible....you are in fact a crock magnet!

Ummm...you consistently twist stuff to fit your own agenda. If you paid any attention it is an OPINION in the "Opinions" portion of the site. I never insinuated it was absolute truth based on fact. It is OPINION, one with which I happen to agree. I never said that the WP was 100% true.


Oh, speaking of "crock magnet", I was speaking with one over the weekend. He went on and on about how the Orlando shooting was nothing more than a "training exercise" to stir up American support for the anti-gun lobby. He claims that nobody died, that the club was in cahoots with the liberals and media, using "deported Puerto Ricans" (his term, although Puerto Rico is an American territory) as the picture models for the obits. Of course, Obama was behind it all because he is going to force an American takeover by using military to do a door-to-door confiscation of all guns. "Black October" was to have happened in 2014 (according to him) but it will happen now by the end of the summer.

This same person is who also believes Sandy Hook was a hoax also, set up by liberals in an effort to steal away freedom from democracy to start a dictatorship with Obama as their leader. Of course he is a HUGE Fox News and Bretibart fan, among other influences which stir his political conspiracy theories.

Why is it almost all conspiracy theorists seem to be Republican? Hmmmm...

You constantly refer to some guy to talked to....Because it's the only straw you have to grasp in defending liberal idiots and idiocy.

Again, I reference the INSTITUTIONALIZED liberal idiocy!
Like if you like your plan you can keep your plan Obummer!
Like, we mandate you close your bakery, photography studio, wedding venue liberal idiot gubmits.
The guy you spoke to on the street doesn't have the power to cram his idiocy down our collective throats.

But, you knew that....you old straw grasping crock magnet you! 

There were winners and losers with Obama Care as there is with any piece of legislation. I would like you to submit the list of people you know that had to change their healthcare provider or plan. I would be surprised if there weren't people in your church who now have healthcare that did not prior to Obamacare. Is everything good about it...no but it also has provided healthcare for those who have been in dire straights without healthcare.

Has ur experience been a negative one since Obamacare was forced on us?

My guess is that you have had a positive one.

I will readily admit my perspective is different. I was working in Social Services when Obamacare was rolled out (retired in December 2013). Was able to add my stepdaughter to my health insurance since she was under 26 and not insured.

 

[LongGone]

And the answer they give,


Eh, no biggie it's not perfect his heart was in the right place.

It not that is not a biggie. Remember all the compassion you have for oil workers because you know them and are one of them?  You would feel the same if you were a person with cancer who did not have health insurance but does under ACA. I am not sure where Sword got his list but I would like to see the documentation. You can claim that ACA is broken but the old system was broke also. It was suggested on here that we expand Medicare and Medicaid (which expanding Medicaid was part of ACA) but I never saw a conservative really buying into that.

 

[sword]

What list are you talking about?

The winners are common sense. The losers are a little harder to identify because we're not sure what future generation will be footing the now estimated 2 trillion ten year cost of ACA. Those who like it generally are those looking for a free or reduced lunch cost. Those who lost their coverage through their employer or were cut back to part time are losers as well. The issues you bring up are valid but could have been addressed through other legislation.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/cbofiles/ftpdocs/107xx/doc10731/reid_letter_11_18_09.pdf
see pages 8 & 16 for starters*. New CBO numbers continue to estimate even higher costs.

To be fair regarding the subsidies, Fact check.com says the cost of subsidies per year has been exagerated in the media. They say 16 million will get subsidies in 2016 and 13 million more to gain Medicaid/CHIP coverage. They say the CBO estimates 16 million getting subsidies for exchange health policies in 2016 would get an average subsidy of $4,700, and the $64 billion spent on Medicaid and CHIP that year comes out to $4,923 per new enrollee. That makes the 10 year estimated cost for just the subsidies to be  about $50,000 per new enrollee under ACA. That's $50,000 we have decided to put on our countries credit card for someone else to pay.

* regarding Bush's wars he spent billions (as much as 2 trillion) on his failed attempts in iraq compared to 61 billion for Sr. Bush's first gulf war. Of that 61 billion, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states covered $36 billion. Bush Sr.'s first gulf war was a true value. 



*Note some savings could come from additional reduced benifits to medicare & medicaid.

 

[Bruh]

And the answer they give,


Eh, no biggie it's not perfect his heart was in the right place.

It not that is not a biggie. Remember all the compassion you have for oil workers because you know them and are one of them?  You would feel the same if you were a person with cancer who did not have health insurance but does under ACA. I am not sure where Sword got his list but I would like to see the documentation. You can claim that ACA is broken but the old system was broke also. It was suggested on here that we expand Medicare and Medicaid (which expanding Medicaid was part of ACA) but I never saw a conservative really buying into that.

I agree 100% that any one with a preexisting illness must be covered I have no issues with this, none.

 

[Smellin Coffee]

I agree with this guy about Christians selling out to politics/Trump:

As a Christian and a pastor, it?s all been equally fascinating and infuriating watching supposed men and women (well, mostly men) of God engage in all sorts of embarrassing theological gymnastics to try and connect the most convoluted and disparate of dots in order to justify hitching their ministries to Trump?s toxic wagon. Some even went as far as to bring up famously flawed heroes of Scripture, as if he will actually be God?s anointed, imperfect tool of salvation. (Well, God did apparently use the jawbone of an ass before, so I guess there is precedent).

This is a revelatory moment for we who claim Christianity, one that crystallizes how much Dobson and the rest of these folks have lost the plot and how faithfully they now serve only themselves.

It turns out, when it comes to power the Evangelical Right will go to bed with just about anybody. They?re that easy. With things getting late and the Presidential Hopeful Club thinning down to only one seedy, sketchy guy, religious leaders are frantically throwing themselves at him in hopes of bagging a four-year roll in the hay.

The truth is, Donald Trump is a fairly horrible human being if you?re going to use any measurement of morality. He?s neither done nor said anything that one could categorize as remotely resembling Jesus. Lots of smart people understand this. But this isn?t about him. He?s doing what most of us expect him to do: try and court a valuable and much-needed voting block without self-awareness, shame, or decency. This isn?t a surprise.

He is vanity and ego and greed and bitterness and bullying?and about as unlike Christ as you?ll find. But again, this isn?t about him. He is being who he?s always been.

No, this about supposed representatives of Jesus whoring themselves out just to have what they hope will be the next President?s ear and pretending it?s the work of God. It?s about discarding faith to keep power in their party. It?s about a Christianity that no longer has need or use for Jesus. They themselves are the bloated golden calf they?re bowing down to and Trump is just a means to this end?and it?s exactly what is killing the Church.

One of the most startling ironies, is that these are the same self-professed ?defenders of the faith?, who for the last eight years have ruthlessly persecuted a President who has not only repeatedly professed personal spirituality, but whose conduct, marriage, and family are everything they claim they?re for. This was never good enough for them to support or pray for him?or even call him a Christian. Yet Donald Trump, in all his philandering, materialistic, racist, bigoted, misogynist glory is somehow worthy of reverence because somewhere deep down (in a way that only these leaders see), he loves Jesus. If you believe that I have some swamp land in Alabama for you.

If Trump?s version of Christianity is the hateful, politicized, bullying, opportunist variety these Right Evangelical extremists have been living for the past few decades?I?ll pass.

Meanwhile, those of us who understand that a life devoted to Jesus is about serving the hurting, lifting the marginalized, shunning power, and welcoming the outsider, will continue seek a spiritual path that doesn?t have anything in common with these religious folks, even if it leads us all away from the American Church. Whatever this thing now is, we know it?s not of Jesus and it?s not worth perpetuating. We won?t make idols of the very kind of person our faith warns us not to become. We will not sleep with the enemy even if he leads us to the highest cliff and says we can have the world.

If Donald Trump is the next President, Dobson and those with him right now will need to look in the mirror and repeat the question Jesus asked of his disciples: ?What will it profit a man if he gains the world but loses his soul??

These Evangelicals are making their bed right now, and it?s costing them everything to lie in it.

James Dobson and The Christian Right Sleep With the Enemy

 

[Tarheel Baptist]