The Mega-Thread for COVID Evangelists

[illinoisguy]

As I said before, I'm not taking sides on pro-vax versus anti-vax, but I can understand those who have a hard time trusting "experts" who say that going to church or to a conservative political activity is a "superspreader event," but taking part in a "mostly peaceful" left-wing looting, arson and attacking-the-police activity does not spread the virus. I can sympathize with people who have a hard time "following the science" when the "science" is politically correct and it changes from hour to hour. Also, it has been alleged that some of the illegals entering this country over the border into Texas are being sent on their way all over America without being vaccinated or tested for the virus. Supposedly these folks are not a threat to our health, but unvaccinated legal American residents are a threat and are to blame for the inability of Sleepy Joe to keep his campaign promise to stop the pandemic if he is elected.

Seems to me that Sleepy Joe has been making a lot of promises that are really beyond his ability to keep - "I will stop the pandemic" - "There will be an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan" - and now he is promising that Christmas presents will be delivered on time. Sooner or later, this record of unkept promises is gonna catch up with him.

 

[tmjbog]

Still GOVERNMENT controlled numbers, which have been proven to have been manipulated. I don't take ANYTHING from the GOVERNMENT at face value anymore. Especially when the government is helping the MSM, and the MSM is helping the government to do these manipulations. They're censoring anything that doesn't agree with their narrative...anything that can prove they're wrong. That's called censorship and was a favorite tactic of Lenin, Hitler, Mussolini, etc. I'm gonna be one that's not so easy to convince with charts and graphs supplied by GOVERNMENT sources.

I suppose you could break the case wide open. Since the feds numbers are accumulated from the states, and the states from the counties all you have to do is show the states totals are grossly off from the feds. Unless you think the cabal has tainted all the state/county governments as well?

 

[tmjbog]

As I said before, I'm not taking sides on pro-vax versus anti-vax, but I can understand those who have a hard time trusting "experts" who say that going to church or to a conservative political activity is a "superspreader event," but taking part in a "mostly peaceful" left-wing looting, arson and attacking-the-police activity does not spread the virus. I can sympathize with people who have a hard time "following the science" when the "science" is politically correct and it changes from hour to hour. Also, it has been alleged that some of the illegals entering this country over the border into Texas are being sent on their way all over America without being vaccinated or tested for the virus. Supposedly these folks are not a threat to our health, but unvaccinated legal American residents are a threat and are to blame for the inability of Sleepy Joe to keep his campaign promise to stop the pandemic if he is elected.

Seems to me that Sleepy Joe has been making a lot of promises that are really beyond his ability to keep - "I will stop the pandemic" - "There will be an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan" - and now he is promising that Christmas presents will be delivered on time. Sooner or later, this record of unkept promises is gonna catch up with him.

I agree with most of that. I probably trust the numbers regarding the dead more now than I did six months ago. The single issue that won Joe the white house was that he was going to get a handle on COVID. He has a huge incentive to under count deaths. Of course when the numbers come from other entities it's difficult to artificially shrink or grow that number at the federal level.

 

[Tarheel Baptist]

As I said before, I'm not taking sides on pro-vax versus anti-vax, but I can understand those who have a hard time trusting "experts" who say that going to church or to a conservative political activity is a "superspreader event," but taking part in a "mostly peaceful" left-wing looting, arson and attacking-the-police activity does not spread the virus. I can sympathize with people who have a hard time "following the science" when the "science" is politically correct and it changes from hour to hour. Also, it has been alleged that some of the illegals entering this country over the border into Texas are being sent on their way all over America without being vaccinated or tested for the virus. Supposedly these folks are not a threat to our health, but unvaccinated legal American residents are a threat and are to blame for the inability of Sleepy Joe to keep his campaign promise to stop the pandemic if he is elected.

Seems to me that Sleepy Joe has been making a lot of promises that are really beyond his ability to keep - "I will stop the pandemic" - "There will be an orderly withdrawal from Afghanistan" - and now he is promising that Christmas presents will be delivered on time. Sooner or later, this record of unkept promises is gonna catch up with him.

I would not consider myself ‘pro-vax’ because I have NO qualms about those who don’t want to vax. I understand that some are hesitant because of factors discussed over and over on this thread. As I said before, we had reasons to take the vax and I’ve seen nothing to change my mind. The obscure, lunatic sites posted here have NO bearing on my thoughts or belief in this area. I DO agree with those who have no faith in our current administration and it’s political allies…or political enemies for that matter. However, in this Internet age, one can self research and come to a conclusion not based on propaganda from either extreme. Which is what many of us here appear to have done.

Twisted, Eeeek and sometimes Joe citing anecdotal evidence or using quack doctors as sources only serve to strengthen the arguments of the pro-vaccine advocates. Because they appear stupid….and then we all are lumped into the loon category. I’m one who doesn’t take anything any gub’mit says at face value without looking into it myself. Neither do I believe Alex Jones, Big Lew or twisted….they are all quintessential loons.

 

[AverageJoe]

I suppose you could break the case wide open. Since the feds numbers are accumulated from the states, and the states from the counties all you have to do is show the states totals are grossly off from the feds. Unless you think the cabal has tainted all the state/county governments as well?

I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I don't do that with you. But, if you want to be a donkey's rear, I can be one as well. I never stated that the local governments had tainted numbers, but, I know for a fact that the national numbers have been tampered with...and the states have, in many cases admitted this. You're always welcomed to believe what you want...that's your prerogative.

 

[Twisted]

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[tmjbog]

I wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I don't do that with you. But, if you want to be a donkey's rear, I can be one as well. I never stated that the local governments had tainted numbers, but, I know for a fact that the national numbers have been tampered with...and the states have, in many cases admitted this. You're always welcomed to believe what you want...that's your prerogative.

If the feds tampered with the numbers in a significant way it would be obvious. State governors would be complaining especially if the feds were making their stats look worse. There is no way the feds can pad the numbers without it being obvious. Let me give you an example. The first chart is from CDC. Look at the row with "All Sexes" and "All Ages". You see 15,599. Go to the second graphic which came from the state of Indiana's website. You see total deaths of 15,771. In the same ballpark, I would assume the approx 170 difference is probably due to Indiana being more up to date numbers. Anyway if Joe decided he wanted to increase Indiana's deaths by 50,000 it would be obvious and met with protest by the governor of Indiana. So if you believe the numbers are being purposefully altered it would have to be a conspiracy run at the state level.

Form the CDC:


From the State of Indiana's website:

 

[Norefund]

And??? I am a hefty man...weight of over 300 lbs. This weight was gained because of the doctor's continued use of steroids on me to bolster my immune system. I have bilateral Meniere's disease, diabetes, COPD, asthma, and several other medical challenges. Yet, I lived through the regular strand and the Delta variant of Covid. Seems strange to me that there are many other's who have done it as well. Again...not really any need for this "shot."

I am happy that you lived through it. That is awesome but the ongoing medical issues it can cause are also a huge risk. Quoting you here:
"My wife and I have both had it twice...the first time was the regular C-19 virus. The first time was in December of 2019. The second time was in August/September. She's recovered quite well from the second time and had very few symptoms. I, on the other hand, have lung damage and possible kidney damage from the delta strain. I still can't breathe..."
I am still having difficulty understanding why you chose to not get the vaccine with the comorbidities you listed above. If I knew you personally, I would have begged you to. Even not knowing you I am just saddened by what you have been through. And I am saddened that people like Twisted and Ekk are cheering you on even after reading about your terrible experience.

 

[AverageJoe]

If the feds tampered with the numbers in a significant way it would be obvious. State governors would be complaining especially if the feds were making their stats look worse. There is no way the feds can pad the numbers without it being obvious. Let me give you an example. The first chart is from CDC. Look at the row with "All Sexes" and "All Ages". You see 15,599. Go to the second graphic which came from the state of Indiana's website. You see total deaths of 15,771. In the same ballpark, I would assume the approx 170 difference is probably due to Indiana being more up to date numbers. Anyway if Joe decided he wanted to increase Indiana's deaths by 50,000 it would be obvious and met with protest by the governor of Indiana. So if you believe the numbers are being purposefully altered it would have to be a conspiracy run at the state level.

Form the CDC:
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From the State of Indiana's website:

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Problem...not deaths from COVID ALONE. They, when reporting on this virus NEVER give the Covid alone #'s. This is a blatant attempt to INFLATE the numbers...Covid INVOLVED deaths is different from Covid deaths. Many times Covid is being reported as the primary cause when it isn't. And like I said before, you can post all the charts and #'s you like, but it won't change my mind or trust issues with the way this has been reported by the government or the MSM.

 

[AverageJoe]

I am happy that you lived through it. That is awesome but the ongoing medical issues it can cause are also a huge risk. Quoting you here:
"My wife and I have both had it twice...the first time was the regular C-19 virus. The first time was in December of 2019. The second time was in August/September. She's recovered quite well from the second time and had very few symptoms. I, on the other hand, have lung damage and possible kidney damage from the delta strain. I still can't breathe..."
I am still having difficulty understanding why you chose to not get the vaccine with the comorbidities you listed above. If I knew you personally, I would have begged you to. Even not knowing you I am just saddened by what you have been through. And I am saddened that people like Twisted and Ekk are cheering you on even after reading about your terrible experience.

After much prayer and soul-searching, and after family and friends experiences, both vaccinated and unvaccinated, my wife and I both opted to NOT get the vaccine. Even my own mother who has heart issues and has had a septuple bypass just three years ago opted NOT to have the shot. Many in my family have gotten it, and I'm glad they did. If it made them feel safer, more power to them. For me, the way this thing has been handled from the beginning, and with the # of people who have recovered being so high (even including ourselves in the recoveries) 99+% recovery, I don't feel, and don't believe I will ever feel the need for a short-term "fix" to help. It's never been about safety. It has, however, been about control, terrorizing the general public into submission and dependence upon government, etc. I won't be convinced. I do appreciate the people who are genuinely concerned (my birth father and his wife have had the shots and has begged my wife and me to have them) but I don't believe it will change my mind or my convictions on them.

 

[tmjbog]

Problem...not deaths from COVID ALONE. They, when reporting on this virus NEVER give the Covid alone #'s. This is a blatant attempt to INFLATE the numbers...Covid INVOLVED deaths is different from Covid deaths. Many times Covid is being reported as the primary cause when it isn't. And like I said before, you can post all the charts and #'s you like, but it won't change my mind or trust issues with the way this has been reported by the government or the MSM.

To be precise if you look at the details, the total deaths are all whose diagnosis was coded to ICD-10 code U07.1. Those who buy into conspiracies rarely ever accept reality, however, I'm just showing you how big this conspiracy would have to be and at the end of the day the feds would be blameless in inflating deaths since all they do is aggregate the data provided by the states. This conspiracy would have to involve the state governments, who contrary to their own political best interests, would be reporting these inflated numbers to the feds. But it wouldn't stop at the state government level, the counties would have to be in on the conspiracy as well since their total covid deaths are reported up to the state. County officials would know if there state was reporting the wrong number for their county.

 

[Twisted]

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[AverageJoe]

To be precise if you look at the details, the total deaths are all whose diagnosis was coded to ICD-10 code U07.1. Those who buy into conspiracies rarely ever accept reality, however, I'm just showing you how big this conspiracy would have to be and at the end of the day the feds would be blameless in inflating deaths since all they do is aggregate the data provided by the states. This conspiracy would have to involve the state governments, who contrary to their own political best interests, would be reporting these inflated numbers to the feds. But it wouldn't stop at the state government level, the counties would have to be in on the conspiracy as well since their total covid deaths are reported up to the state. County officials would know if there state was reporting the wrong number for their county.

Again, you can continue to post what you want...it's NOT going to change my mind. And just because you keep repeating the same things over and over doesn't make it reality or truth. Satan does that as well, and his truth is no more truth than some of the dung I've heard being passed out of the governments, MSM's, and the medical establishment's mouths. You might want to try and convince someone a little more gullible.

 

[tmjbog]

Again, you can continue to post what you want...it's NOT going to change my mind. And just because you keep repeating the same things over and over doesn't make it reality or truth. Satan does that as well, and his truth is no more truth than some of the dung I've heard being passed out of the governments, MSM's, and the medical establishment's mouths. You might want to try and convince someone a little more gullible.

Yes, one of us certainly is gullible. Who knows maybe your right after all and the federal government, the state governments, the county governments are all colluding just trying to trick you into getting a vaccination. I really don't care who does and does not get vaccinated, just fascinated by people who fall for outlandish conspiracy theories. I would think if all these governments were perfectly colluding together like this it would be far easier for them to put whatever poison/nanobot/lizard spawn into the drinking water since they have all the counties on board. By doing that they could get around those who would opt out of a shot. Speaking of that have you had your drinking water analyzed lately?

 

[Twisted]

Yes, one of us certainly is gullible. Who knows maybe your right after all and the federal government, the state governments, the county governments are all colluding just trying to trick you into getting a vaccination. I really don't care who does and does not get vaccinated, just fascinated by people who fall for outlandish conspiracy theories. I would think if all these governments were perfectly colluding together like this it would be far easier for them to put whatever poison/nanobot/lizard spawn into the drinking water since they have all the counties on board. By doing that they could get around those who would opt out of a shot. Speaking of that have you had your drinking water analyzed lately?

Has this nut ever heard of Florida, Texas, South Dakota and I'm sure many others who don't go along.

 

[ALAYMAN]

Has this nut ever heard of Florida, Texas, South Dakota and I'm sure many others who don't go along.

Just because a handful of states governors don't go along with mask and vaccine mandates does not in any way negate the manner in which covid deaths are calculated. Apples versus coconuts. You missed the point entirely that tmjbog was making. It would indeed be quite the vast conspiracy for all of the states to be on board with cooking the books in order to achieve such high death counts as have been reported.

 

[AverageJoe]

Yes, one of us certainly is gullible. Who knows maybe your right after all and the federal government, the state governments, the county governments are all colluding just trying to trick you into getting a vaccination. I really don't care who does and does not get vaccinated, just fascinated by people who fall for outlandish conspiracy theories. I would think if all these governments were perfectly colluding together like this it would be far easier for them to put whatever poison/nanobot/lizard spawn into the drinking water since they have all the counties on board. By doing that they could get around those who would opt out of a shot. Speaking of that have you had your drinking water analyzed lately?

You're getting more repetitious as you continue to write. Again...and for the last time..I've never said that ALL these governments have "colluded" together. That's YOUR assumption...I've never said ANY SUCH THING. And I truly think you belong with twisted and EKK...got your tin foil hat???

 

[tmjbog]

Has this nut ever heard of Florida, Texas, South Dakota and I'm sure many others who don't go along.

Yes, and those states also report the number of COVID deaths that have occurred in their states to the federal government You make my point for me. If the feds were padding the numbers these would be the first states to make noise and say "that's not what we sent you".

 

[tmjbog]

You're getting more repetitious as you continue to write. Again...and for the last time..I've never said that ALL these governments have "colluded" together. That's YOUR assumption...I've never said ANY SUCH THING. And I truly think you belong with twisted and EKK...got your tin foil hat???

I'm not sure what the alternative is. If you believe the feds are inflating the deaths and you can directly trace the feds numbers back to the states and in most cases the states numbers back to the counties it would have to be mass collusion.

 

[AverageJoe]

I'm not sure what the alternative is. If you believe the feds are inflating the deaths and you can directly trace the feds numbers back to the states and in most cases the states numbers back to the counties it would have to be mass

I'm not sure what the alternative is. If you believe the feds are inflating the deaths and you can directly trace the feds numbers back to the states and in most cases the states numbers back to the counties it would have to be mass collusion.

As I stated before, you can keep repeating the same rhetoric as before...but it doesn't make it so. Have a nice day!