The Mega-Thread for COVID Evangelists

Preventing COVID & preventing symptomatic cases are 2 different things. Haven't more recent studies said that the effectiveness in prevention is not that high (thus the requiring of vaccinated to wear masks to stop spreading it)?
The so-called "vaccines" (based on the NEW, current CDC definition) do not "prevent" anything, except (according to them) "serious illness and death". But there is a whole bunch of both for those who take the jab. Israel is a prime example of the failure of vaccines for covid. The CDC has stopped keeping track of many "breakthrough" cases, plus if you get the shot and die within 14 days, they consider you "unvaxxed". Please remember that all this has nothing to do with your health. They couldn't care less.
 
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To help out Twisted here is one where the same lady calls the "kill shot" a bioweapon. I wonder why she's concerned with COVID rates of the vaccinated if she has already figured out that the shots themselves are going to kill those receiving them. Wouldn't that be the bigger issue?
Your presumption that Thee twisted needs help is ridiculous! You should apologize immediately! And, as has been proven many times, facts do not carry weight with him. Seek out a crackpot site if you want to add to this dialogue.
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I'm sorry I don't what I was thinking. I'm heading off to Infowars now to find somebody who knew someone whose brother lived next door to a guy that worked in a building next door to Pfizer. As long as he has charts we know his data is accurate.
 
Preventing COVID & preventing symptomatic cases are 2 different things. Haven't more recent studies said that the effectiveness in prevention is not that high (thus the requiring of vaccinated to wear masks to stop spreading it)?


"While COVID-19 cases continue to spike across the US, the overwhelming majority of deaths and hospitalizations from the virus continue to overwhelmingly be among unvaccinated Americans, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

If you're waiting on the 100% effective vaccine, you'll be waiting awhile. I'll settle for severely reduced chance of death and significant less chance of having lung issues for the rest of my life.
 

"While COVID-19 cases continue to spike across the US, the overwhelming majority of deaths and hospitalizations from the virus continue to overwhelmingly be among unvaccinated Americans, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

If you're waiting on the 100% effective vaccine, you'll be waiting awhile. I'll settle for severely reduced chance of death and significant less chance of having lung issues for the rest of my life.
Not sure what any of that has to do with what I was asking. But this is the FFF, so...
 
Not sure what any of that has to do with what I was asking. But this is the FFF, so...
I guess I'm not sure what you are looking for-a 100% effective vaccine that never fails? I don't think that exists for any disease. The covid vaccine in pretty effective at preventing COVID. It's extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death. In the absence of a 100% effective vaccine one that gets you pretty close to 100% when it comes to worst symptoms and death seems like a much better alternative than nothing. Admittedly, like other vaccines it's not perfect.
 

Two weeks ago, Palmer said Pfizer and AstraZeneca were paying lobbyists tens of millions of dollars to direct Australia’s liberal leaders to push the double jab.
 

In light of the above facts, more and more, it looks as if the DNC embraced the virus and is doing its best to keep it circulating through society for purely political reasons. It was able to get Trump out of the White House, along with election fraud that was made easier because of panicked lockdowns. Now, the vaccine is the newest weapon in the DNC arsenal.
Lending credence to this suspicion is the fact that, beginning early in the epidemic, Democrats consistently denigrated therapeutic agents that were effective, leaving many citizens to die needlessly and alone. Last year they quashed hydroxychloroquine; this year they’re quashing ivermectin. The playbook, though, is the same.
Meanwhile, having been prescient in 2020 and early 2021, Dr. McCullough now recommends we take these genetic vaccine failures off the market entirely:
He argued the “COVID-19 genetic vaccines have an unfavorable safety profile and are not clinically effective, thus they cannot be generally supported in clinical practice at this time.” (Emphasis added.)
On a personal note, the FDA has failed in its mandate to protect the public. As a retired medical device design and project engineer, I can tell you that the sheer number of deaths and adverse reactions (which may run to the thousands domestically, with this just the latest example) should be unacceptable. Apparently, the FDA has become a tool of the DNC and its silence is deafening about vaccine safety. The only bright spot was the CDC advisory panel’s sober recommendation about boosters, which its Director promptly ignored.
The FDA has an obligation to safeguard the public and it’s failing in that duty considering that the fully vaccinated are contracting COVID as a breakthrough illness in too many cases. We have cheap and effective therapeutic drug therapies that have been proven to defeat this virus, though we are denied their use. Decisions about therapeutic drugs should be between ourselves and our physicians, free from government interference and the creeping tyranny of the DNC.
Why, are we only given an ineffective so-called genetic vaccine; in a vaccinate or nothing proposition, instead of proven treatment? And why does Biden seem determined to make 98% of the country guinea pigs for a leaky vaccine and endless boosters?
 


2004
Shi Zheng-Li (also known as Shi Zhengli), a director at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, discovers a natural reservoir of coronaviruses in bats living in caves in southern China.


2008
Peter Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance receives its first grant from Fauci’s NIAID: “Risk of Viral Emergence From Bats.” Daszak proposes to “examine the pathogenesis of these new viruses, and a pool of available bat viruses which have not yet emerged in humans.”


2011:
Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID); his NIAID colleague Gary Nabel; and Francis Collins, director of the related National Institutes of Health (NIH), write “A Flu Virus Risk Worth Taking” for The Washington Post. The article notes that researchers have created a laboratory virus that “does not exist in nature” and that “important information and insights can come from generating a potentially dangerous virus in the laboratory.”

2012:
Six miners clear bat excrement from a mine in Mojiang County, Yunnan Province, China. They fall ill with COVID-19-like symptoms, and three die. Later, a virus called RaTG13 is isolated from the mine by Shi’s team and sent to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. RaTG13 to this day remains the closest known relative
of SARS2.
Fauci gives a talk called “The Way Forward in Influenza Research” concerning “the controversial issue of gain-of-function research.” He says, “If we want to continue this important work, we collectively need to do a better job of articulating the scientific rationale for such experiments.”

2013-2020
The U.S. Department of Defense funnels $39 million to Daszak’s EcoHealth Alliance over a period of
eight years.

2014
The Obama administration announces a moratorium on gain-of-function research. NIH Director Francis Collins states that “these studies, however, also entail biosafety and biosecurity risks, which need to be understood better.”

2019
Daszak sends a 19-tweet thread culminating with the claim that human-wildlife-livestock interface is the likely source of the outbreak in Wuhan.

2020
January: Fauci donates Remdesivir samples to China for an experimental clinical trial to test its effectiveness against COVID-19. Remdesivir was developed with taxpayer funds by Fort Detrick scientists and the American pharmaceutical company GILEAD.
Jan. 31: President Donald Trump halts flights from China.
February:
Biden criticizes Trump’s travel ban in a tweet: “We are in the midst of a crisis with the coronavirus. We need to lead the way with science — not Donald Trump’s record of hysteria, xenophobia, and fear-mongering. He is the worst possible person to lead our country through a global health emergency.”
Fauci, Daszak, Andersen, and other scientists are invited to a meeting organized by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine (NASEM) to “help determine the origins” of the COVID-19 virus. The meeting is organized on short notice at the request of White House Office of Science and Technology Policy Director Kelvin Droegemeier. Fauci gives a 10-minute presentation.
Fauci and the other scientists push the natural origins theory but are ultimately ignored by NASEM in a Feb. 6, 2020, response to the White House.
Shi posts on Chinese social media: “The novel 2019 coronavirus is nature punishing the human race for keeping uncivilized living habits. I, Shi Zheng-Li, swear on my life that it has nothing to do with our laboratory. ...
I advise those who believe and spread rumors from harmful media sources, as well as those who believe the unreliable so-called academic analysis of Indian scholars, to shut their stinking mouths.”
Andersen, Holmes, Robert Garry, Andrew Rambaut, and Ian Lipkin’s article “The Proximal Origin of SARS-CoV-2,” claiming that the virus has natural origins, is published online. According to Garry, the first draft of this article was finished on Feb. 1, the same day that Andersen told Fauci’s teleconference group he was “60 to 70 percent” sure the virus came from a laboratory. Holmes told the group at the time that he was “80 percent sure the virus came out of a lab.” Lipkin, who would later retract his opinion, was the only author who didn’t participate in the Fauci teleconference.
The Lancet publishes a letter claiming that the coronavirus originated in wildlife and condemning theories of a non-natural origin as conspiracy theories that “do nothing but create fear, rumour, and prejudice.” It would later be revealed that Daszak orchestrated the letter and that 26 out of 27 signatories are linked to the Wuhan Institute of Virology. A number of signatories would later retract their support for
the letter.
March:
University of Innsbruck bioengineer Rossana Segreto notes that the RaBtCoV/4991 virus, which had been in Shi’s possession for seven years, is an exact match for COVID-19’s closest relative. Shi had concealed the source of this virus by renaming it RaTG13 in her Feb. 3, 2020, paper.
President Trump suggests he has seen information suggesting that the pandemic started at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
April:
Fauci dismisses the possibility of a lab origin
for the virus, citing Andersen’s “Proximal Origin” paper (see Feb 16, 2020), and claiming not to remember Andersen’s name.
Trump terminates Daszak’s grant for his research with the Wuhan Institute of Virology. Despite Trump’s cancellation, Fauci would soon award Daszak a much larger grant, on Aug. 27, 2020
2021
June
Embarek tells Danish TV2 that the lab leak hypothesis is likely correct, stating: “A lab employee infected in the field while collecting samples in a bat cave—such a scenario belongs both as a lab-leak hypothesis and as our first hypothesis of direct infection from bat to human. We’ve seen that hypothesis as a likely hypothesis.” This information is not in the WHO report, and Embarek had previously publicly stated that a lab leak was “extremely unlikely.”
Fauci admits that the virus may have originated from a lab leak at the Wuhan Institute of Virology.
Farrar states that Andersen was initially 60 to 70 percent sure the virus came from a laboratory. Farrar states that Andersen later changed his mind and concluded the virus had natural origins. Farrar’s claim ignores the fact that Andersen was privately telling Fauci on Jan. 31, 2020, that the virus was engineered while publicly claiming the opposite at the same time. Andersen was one of several recipients of large grants from Fauci’s NIAID on Aug. 27, 2020.
Embarek’s June 2021 interview is aired on Danish TV. In it, Embarek claims that Chinese scientists and officials withheld information and pressured the WHO’s team to drop the lab leak theory. After a 48-hour discussion with Chinese authorities, they agree to allow the lab leak theory to be mentioned, but only “on the condition we didn’t recommend any specific studies to further that hypothesis” and that it was deemed to be “extremely unlikely.” None of this information is contained in the formal WHO report.
 

"While COVID-19 cases continue to spike across the US, the overwhelming majority of deaths and hospitalizations from the virus continue to overwhelmingly be among unvaccinated Americans, according to data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention."

If you're waiting on the 100% effective vaccine, you'll be waiting awhile. I'll settle for severely reduced chance of death and significant less chance of having lung issues for the rest of my life.
The data out of Israel says quite the opposite. (I've already posted it.) I guess the virus hates Jews.
 
Are you for the freedom of a business to decide that the risk of having unvaccinated employees is too great? They are, after all, private entities. Given the nature of the business I work in, an outbreak could effectively shut down our business if 15-20% of our employees contract the virus and, in turn, that would shut down many other business and facilities. Those who choose to remain unvaccinated pose a real threat to the welfare of the business and it's employees. My guess is that soon we will have a mandate in place to vaccinate as a condition of employment. If (when) this happens, I would hate to see some of the people we employ no longer work here - but that would also be their freedom to choose.
Are you okay with the freedom of private businesses to hire only whites? No? Well then shut up. This is a common thing with Leftists, to appeal to the freedom of the private sector when the private sector is advancing a fascist agenda.

But with the coercive edicts and policies coming down from D.C., you really think the 'private' businesses are acting freely?
 

Two weeks ago, Palmer said Pfizer and AstraZeneca were paying lobbyists tens of millions of dollars to direct Australia’s liberal leaders to push the double jab.
You know how many lobbyists are advocating for their specific cause to politicians everyday? They are a slimy bunch but just because your paying a lobbyist does not mean the politician is going to agree to their desires and even if they do it may or may not be because of the advocacy work of the lobbyist.
 
I guess I'm not sure what you are looking for-a 100% effective vaccine that never fails? I don't think that exists for any disease. The covid vaccine in pretty effective at preventing COVID. It's extremely effective at preventing hospitalization and death. In the absence of a 100% effective vaccine one that gets you pretty close to 100% when it comes to worst symptoms and death seems like a much better alternative than nothing. Admittedly, like other vaccines it's not perfect.
I'm not looking for any vaccine. That's not what I asked. Don't read into my question.
 
You know how many lobbyists are advocating for their specific cause to politicians everyday? They are a slimy bunch but just because your paying a lobbyist does not mean the politician is going to agree to their desires and even if they do it may or may not be because of the advocacy work of the lobbyist.
Yes, they are always lobbying to coerce medical procedures. Nothing extraordinary here. :rolleyes:
 
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Data (at least from Ohio) doesn't line up with the narrative. Delta variant is less severe - at least regarding the hospitalization rate.
 
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Data (at least from Ohio) doesn't line up with the narrative. Delta variant is less severe - at least regarding the hospitalization rate.
You need to change the source of your narrative. Delta has always been know to be less severe, but supposedly more contagious. Just ask the vaxxed who have gotten sick with it.
 
Are you okay with the freedom of private businesses to hire only whites? No? Well then shut up. This is a common thing with Leftists, to appeal to the freedom of the private sector when the private sector is advancing a fascist agenda.

But with the coercive edicts and policies coming down from D.C., you really think the 'private' businesses are acting freely?
Your question is both a deflection and an insult. If a business requires ALL employees to be vaccinated or ALL customers to be vaccinated, it is not discriminating any more than a school system that requires ALL students to be vaccinated against any number of diseases.
 
I'm not going to say that the virus isn't real...I've had it...TWICE! My wife has had it...TWICE! We've not had a vaccine, and we're still alive, though this last round with the Delta strain made me think I might die! We did have a friend pass away from it almost two weeks ago. But, the government needs to stop pushing a vax that doesn't work on people who DON'T want it!
I'm sorry for your loss with your friend passing and the ordeal you went through with Delta. My healthy college aged relative went through the same terrible Delta infection ordeal and was hospitalized. I am not sure if my relative will suffer long term effects but it was very scary. I'm curious as to why you think the vaccine isn't working. Since you and your wife aren't vaccinated and you caught it twice, wouldn't that suggest your natural immune system didn't prevent the 2nd infection? Was your friend who did pass vaccinated? Do you personally know anyone who has been vaccinated that became infected twice or passed away? I am honestly not trying to aggravate you or insult your intelligence with these questions. I'm just trying to understand. Also, the conversation most of last week was on natural immunity being far superior to the vaccine and while I believe that to be the case most of the time, your situation might suggest otherwise.
 
I'm sorry for your loss with your friend passing and the ordeal you went through with Delta. My healthy college aged relative went through the same terrible Delta infection ordeal and was hospitalized. I am not sure if my relative will suffer long term effects but it was very scary. I'm curious as to why you think the vaccine isn't working. Since you and your wife aren't vaccinated and you caught it twice, wouldn't that suggest your natural immune system didn't prevent the 2nd infection? Was your friend who did pass vaccinated? Do you personally know anyone who has been vaccinated that became infected twice or passed away? I am honestly not trying to aggravate you or insult your intelligence with these questions. I'm just trying to understand. Also, the conversation most of last week was on natural immunity being far superior to the vaccine and while I believe that to be the case most of the time, your situation might suggest otherwise.
I'm not offended by your questions in the lh least. My wife and I have both had it twice...the first time was the regular C-19 virus. The first time was in December of 2019. The second time was in August/September. She's recovered quite well from the second time and had very few symptoms. I, on the other hand, have lung damage and possible kidney damage from the delta strain. I still can't breathe. We've had one family member who had the virus who was released from the VA hospital on a Monday and who was readmitted on Wednesday for the coronavirus. He ended up having two heart attacks on that same day...he WAS vaccinated. He passed away after the two heart attacks, and they were reported to VAERS. We've got a niece who was vaccinated and she has gotten the virus twice in Texas. She is a nurse. We've got several friends who have been vaccinated and caught the virus. Out of twelve, five have passed away and seven haven't. But, that's pretty comparable to the friends who we have who haven't been vaccinated and have contracted the virus. Our BIL is in the hospital with the delta strain of the virus, and he's been in there for nearly three weeks now. He wasn't vaccinated, and still has no intention of getting the jab.
 
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