The Jericho Plan

[Binaca Chugger]

This is exactly the danger of the Jericho Plan as I saw it and advised some against it.  IF you are able to attend all four years, and have some family support for incidentals, it would work really well.  However, if ANYTHING came up - you could really mess up your finances for a long, long time.

 

[Walt]

WOW!  Fined for not turning in activity reports!

That's just what I was thinking -- and $10 to boot!

 

[groupie]

How much do they fine you if you get caught kissing your girl? It might be worth it!!

 

[Binaca Chugger]

How much do they fine you if you get caught kissing your girl? It might be worth it!!

Would that make her a prostitute with HAC as her pimp!?! 

 

[Bravo]

I have spoken to a Jericho Plan student. He said for him it was great. He took all the classes he could his first two years, including summer classes. (I don't know if summer classes were included in the program). He graduated in 3 years with very high grades. He did say it did not work out so well for some. I asked him to explain why. He said some of the students were lazy. They would fail their classes, leave college before the four years was up etc. He stated the plan was set in place to get students to commit to graduating from HAC.

It seems like students came for the free ride and then complain when they didn't keep their end of the bargain. I wasn't there so I don't know the motive of "each" student. I do wonder why wouldn't a student on the Jericho plan have time to fill out an "Activity Report"? Students that work full time do it? I am just stating what was told to me by this particular student in order to give a more complete view of what that program was. He did state he felt it put the college on a financial bind. My questions though are honest ones.

Any thoughts?

 

[RAIDER]

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

 

[cpizzle]

Here is how the plan was supposed to work financially:

If a student graduates, then the college would get 2 years of tuition.  (If they could raise the graduation rate from 20% to 60%, the college would actually get more money since so many freshmen quit in their first year.)
If the student didn't graduate, the college would get the full tuition for the time they attended.

If the plan worked, it would increase enrolment and graduation rates while brining in more money. 

The plan didn't work because so many people who quit did not pay pack the money they owed.  Also, they didn't seem to factor in the cost of added staff to handle the increase in students.

For me, the Jericho plan would have been amazing!  For my wife, who didn't graduate, it would have made her college life much better, but we would be on the hook for her tuition during our early years of marriage (when we were broke!!!)

 

[BALAAM]

Just curious here  but does anyone know if the college intelligencia had some type of plan in place to collect the tuition? I mean, just exactly how did they propose to enforce the tuition collection after being in business all these years and knowing just because someone works on a bus route does not mean they will pay their obligations.

 

[Bravo]

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

 

[RAIDER]

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Exactly!  The same students that did the "come for one year" deal before the Jericho Plan were the same students that left HAC holding the bag during the Jericho Plan.

 

[Binaca Chugger]

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Not always a bad thing to suggest.  I came for one.  Stayed for four.  Have been in ministry almost 20.

 

[qwerty]

Quote from: RAIDER

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Exactly!  The same students that did the "come for one year" deal before the Jericho Plan were the same students that left HAC holding the bag during the Jericho Plan.

 
There may be some confusion. The plan was not a requirement but an option. Students could still cone for a year and leave without penalty.... other than paying for the year......

Or are you saying it was intentional that the one year student went and basically stole?

 

[RAIDER]

Quote from: RAIDER

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Exactly!  The same students that did the "come for one year" deal before the Jericho Plan were the same students that left HAC holding the bag during the Jericho Plan.

There may be some confusion. The plan was not a requirement but an option. Students could still cone for a year and leave without penalty.... other than paying for the year......

Or are you saying it was intentional that the one year student went and basically stole?

I'm guessing some parents and pastors pushed a kid that would normally have been a "one year wonder" into the Jericho Plan.  The kid went with the idea of possibly staying 4 years.  Of course, after being at HAC with the strictness and schedule, he became a "one year wonder".

 

[qwerty]

Quote from: BALAAM

Just curious here  but does anyone know if the college intelligencia had some type of plan in place to collect the tuition? I mean, just exactly how did they propose to enforce the tuition collection after being in business all these years and knowing just because someone works on a bus route does not mean they will pay their obligations.

I really do not think that most thought there would be a problem with the program or with collecting payments... after all, Schaap came up with it. Most of the administration were starry-eyed at the proposal of the illustrious leader. One was definitely not on board (the only one with a degree from a secular school and in finance none the less). Needless to say, he was moved elsewhere.

It was an optimistic program, but optimism does not pay the light bill. Guess students figured they would not be sending someone to collect the debt, much less take them to court over it.

Being a  Fundamental Baptist organization, you would think they would know the "Baptist handshake".

 

[qwerty]

Quote from: RAIDER

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Exactly!  The same students that did the "come for one year" deal before the Jericho Plan were the same students that left HAC holding the bag during the Jericho Plan.

 
There may be some confusion. The plan was not a requirement but an option. Students could still cone for a year and leave without penalty.... other than paying for the year......

Or are you saying it was intentional that the one year student went and basically stole?

I'm guessing some parents and pastors pushed a kid that would normally have been a "one year wonder" into the Jericho Plan.  The kid went with the idea of possibly staying 4 years.  Of course, after being at HAC with the strictness and schedule, he became a "one year wonder".

Gotcha.

You are most likely correct, although it still seems risky to sign a contract with no intention to honor it. If it goes to court, they may want to change their story.

 

[Bravo]

Quote from: RAIDER

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Exactly!  The same students that did the "come for one year" deal before the Jericho Plan were the same students that left HAC holding the bag during the Jericho Plan.

There may be some confusion. The plan was not a requirement but an option. Students could still cone for a year and leave without penalty.... other than paying for the year......

Or are you saying it was intentional that the one year student went and basically stole?

I'm guessing some parents and pastors pushed a kid that would normally have been a "one year wonder" into the Jericho Plan.  The kid went with the idea of possibly staying 4 years.  Of course, after being at HAC with the strictness and schedule, he became a "one year wonder".

QWERTY this is pretty much what I was saying.

 

[qwerty]

Quote from: RAIDER

If a student was serious about attending HAC it was a great deal.  If a student was going because mom and dad or their pastor "pushed" them that direction, not so good of a deal.

The thing that sticks out to me is how pastors/parents pushed the "go to Christian college for one year" hoping that friendships or interests or a burden would develop to keep them there. Quite a few would put in their time and then leave. It's hard to change that line of thinking after hearing that for so many years.

Exactly!  The same students that did the "come for one year" deal before the Jericho Plan were the same students that left HAC holding the bag during the Jericho Plan.

 
There may be some confusion. The plan was not a requirement but an option. Students could still cone for a year and leave without penalty.... other than paying for the year......

Or are you saying it was intentional that the one year student went and basically stole?

I'm guessing some parents and pastors pushed a kid that would normally have been a "one year wonder" into the Jericho Plan.  The kid went with the idea of possibly staying 4 years.  Of course, after being at HAC with the strictness and schedule, he became a "one year wonder".

QWERTY this is pretty much what I was saying.

This is really something I had not thought of. I am a little disappointed in myself since I am such a skeptic regarding thing like this.  It is unfortunate that a parent would sign a contact or make their child sign a contact to force him/her into that kind of commitment.... It is unfathomable that an adult would think that work be wise... but then again...

 

[sword]

What about the practice of sending kids to HAC for one year hoping God would change their heart / mind about full time service.

This was the practice of 100's of pastors around the country. I know several who would not recommend / approve any other course for their young people. If God had not impressed them to go to Christian college / full time service then they should go for a year & get their hearts right.

Full time service was the only correct path for their teens.

 

[16KJV11]

What about the practice of sending kids to HAC for one year hoping God would change their heart / mind about full time service.

This was the practice of 100's of pastors around the country. I know several who would not recommend / approve any other course for their young people. If God had not impressed them to go to Christian college / full time service then they should go for a year & get their hearts right.

Full time service was the only correct path for their teens.

Read about 6 posts above yours...

 

[brainisengaged]

Obama must have been reading these forums! He is now lifting The Jericho Plan:
http://money.cnn.com/2015/01/08/pf/college/obama-free-college/index.html