The Bible does not command door to door soul-winning

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Timothy said:
Frag said:
Timothy said:
No. What if the pantry helped more than just one person a year?

Is there a crayon font???  Would that help? 

My brain is melting....

I hate the derogatory tone you often take ... but ... anyway ...

You said "But a food pantry does not achieve gospel saturation.  Agree?"

I don't agree. Sure, it won't achieve gospel saturation if a Church does it once a year, or month, like many do.

But, what if a Church cut back on other unnecessary things in the budget, put together standard grocery bags with a $10 per-bag budget ... and only gave them out on a Saturday during a special service. I know for sure a nice bag could be made with $10, or $15 bucks. Ask folks to donate, they will give.

Or, get a list of names and visit them, share the gospel, give the food.

Or, advertise in the local paper that your Church gives food to needy people after Sunday service - they must attend service to receive.

I know some missionaries who use this method. People listen when their physical needs are taken care of. They respond to compassion.

I begin to wonder if Churches don't work like this simply because these sort of people responding probably won't pay a 'tithe" ..... sad

Thing is, you give bags out people will talk, they will think about this hand of help, and "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me"

I'm trying, I really am.  SATURATION.  EVERY CREATURE.  So, EVERY PERSON in your community would be reached with a food pantry.  EVERYONE would come for groceries.

Again, my question.....(why do I continue)........BESIDES TAKING THE GOSPEL TO EVERY STINKIN DOOR IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHAT OTHER MINISTRY ACHIEVES GOSPEL SATURATION??? 

DOES A FOOD P A N T R Y ACHIEVE THIS? 


(If you answer yes, I am going out to the busiest intersection we have, stop traffic in all directions, pull out a gallon of Drano, chug it all down, belch as loud as I can, stare everyone down, then drop over dead.)
 
Frag said:
Torrent v.2 said:
Frag said:
Frag said:
The Real Bob. said:
I just read most the of the thread at the other forum where Wtyson and Invictus argued.  Vic was out of hand with his name calling, but he is right. Absolutely.

The bible does not command people to go door to door soul winning.  It only commands us to preach the gospel to all nations.

Vic made me laugh.  Wtyson looked like a fool for not just admitting that it does not say that.

The title of the thread is Tebow.

Honest question. 

In our rural community, if I am to obey the "every creature" command, how do I get the gospel to "every creature" -- achieve gospel saturation -- without going door to door?


Interesting.  Besides Timothy's answer of junk mail or tele-marketing evangelism (sure folks would appreciate both!), no serious answer.  To "every house" worked for the early church.  Still works today.  Most people in our area are not offended if you knock on their front door and to talk to them.  Those who are....well, do you really think you can give the gospel to people and no one ever take offense????

Admit it.  Bunch of excuses from a bunch of lazy Christians who want a Christianity that involves no inconvenience, no self-denial, no cross, and labor.  Four visitors sat in our church Sunday morning -- God used door to door visitation to reach each one.  If you want to add other outreach methods to this, fine.  But door to door visitation is required to OBEY the mandate of Christ to deliver the gospel to every creature.

Prove, from the Scri[tures, that it is required, please.

Mark 16:15 (KJV)
15  And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

There you go.  Now I ask you again, how do we saturate the world with the Gospel without every church taking responsibility for it's Jerusalem, claiming a reasonable geographical area, and sending its members to the homes to personally take the gospel to every home.

Get out an atlas.  Find your city.  Draw a circle and shade it in.  Then imagine if EVERY church in America did that.  Very few areas would remain unsaturated.  Those that would be -- well, that is why the word "both" is in Acts 1:8 -- but that is a whole different subject.  Don't imagine your church will do "both" if they are willing to sit and let their own neighborhood go to hell.

Ok, so that verse proved that the Apostles and those who follow in their footsteps have a responsibility to "PREACH" the gospel to all the people of the world.  That can be done with internet, mass evangelism and regular mission endeavors of Networking and discipleship programs.  To prove that "Door to door individual evangelism" is required, I would ask you to show me what verse requires that method.
 
Frag said:
Timothy said:
Frag said:
Timothy said:
No. What if the pantry helped more than just one person a year?

Is there a crayon font???  Would that help? 

My brain is melting....

I hate the derogatory tone you often take ... but ... anyway ...

You said "But a food pantry does not achieve gospel saturation.  Agree?"

I don't agree. Sure, it won't achieve gospel saturation if a Church does it once a year, or month, like many do.

But, what if a Church cut back on other unnecessary things in the budget, put together standard grocery bags with a $10 per-bag budget ... and only gave them out on a Saturday during a special service. I know for sure a nice bag could be made with $10, or $15 bucks. Ask folks to donate, they will give.

Or, get a list of names and visit them, share the gospel, give the food.

Or, advertise in the local paper that your Church gives food to needy people after Sunday service - they must attend service to receive.

I know some missionaries who use this method. People listen when their physical needs are taken care of. They respond to compassion.

I begin to wonder if Churches don't work like this simply because these sort of people responding probably won't pay a 'tithe" ..... sad

Thing is, you give bags out people will talk, they will think about this hand of help, and "whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me"

I'm trying, I really am.  SATURATION.  EVERY CREATURE.  So, EVERY PERSON in your community would be reached with a food pantry.  EVERYONE would come for groceries.

Again, my question.....(why do I continue)........BESIDES TAKING THE GOSPEL TO EVERY STINKIN DOOR IN YOUR COMMUNITY, WHAT OTHER MINISTRY ACHIEVES GOSPEL SATURATION??? 

DOES A FOOD P A N T R Y ACHIEVE THIS? 


(If you answer yes, I am going out to the busiest intersection we have, stop traffic in all directions, pull out a gallon of Drano, chug it all down, belch as loud as I can, stare everyone down, then drop over dead.)

Well, everyone will KNOW about this food ministry. They will KNOW about this compassion. People talk you know. Knowing about the kindness from the Church will probably spark interest when a loved one dies ... they will seek the Church for spiritual help. They will respect the Church, and listen.

I don't know Frag, does the Bible really teach that every method used must be that of saturation? After all, Philip and the Ethiopian Eunuch are kind of a one on one thing ...

But, you ask ... so ...

MINISTRIES THAT ACHIEVE GOSPEL SATURATION

1) Support Missionaries
2) Street Preaching
3) Handout tracts during local events
4) Setup a table outside local Post Office
5) Radio Station
6) Advertisements sent via mail, local papers, or on radio
7) Phone calls to people
8) Sign on your Church van
9) Booth at Farm Fairs
10) Refreshment Booth at rest stop on highway
11) Preach and teach people more about sharing the gospel
12) Free Faith Based movie nights at Church
13) Church funded community paper
14) Bible Club
15) Sunday School
16) Bus Ministry
17) Airplane in sky with message
18) Website
19) Attend parades on 4th of July
20) Knock on Doors
21) Pod Cast of service
22) Special Events that interest unsaved

Happy?
 
Timothy said:
Does door-to-door REALLY reach everyone?  8)

The only people who have knocked on my door (or my neighbors) happens to be the local JWs, so I guess Frag needs to find a different method of "gospel saturation".
 
Timothy said:
Does door-to-door REALLY reach everyone?  8)

No. In my city, there are hundreds of apartment complexes that you cannot enter without a security key.  The only way to reach them is to somehow make connections with them and get to know them. 

That would take committment and time and a real perseverence.

And I think sometimes that the "Door to door" method is pushed because you can produce numbers faster.  Just my opinion, though.
 
Just got back from soul winning!

Had 29 saved using the ol 1-2-3-pray-after-me method!!!  God is good!

Can't wait to brag to the people tonight. 

Soul Winning Works!!!!


 
Good old door-to-door soul winning.

Meet 'em, Win 'em, Count 'em, Forget 'em

 
Frag said:
Just got back from soul winning!

Had 29 saved using the ol 1-2-3-pray-after-me method!!!  God is good!

Can't wait to brag to the people tonight. 

Soul Winning Works!!!!

Ok, report back in 6 weeks and tell us how many of them are baptized and in church.  I'll wager that the number is zero.
 
rsc2a said:
wtyson said:
rsc2a said:
[quote author=Tarheel Baptist]Our church does go 'door to door' regularly, but it is not the only OR the most effective method of evangelism we use in this culture. Vacuum Cleaner salesmen used to go door to door, in a time when it was effective.....they no longer do so. Sad some Christians still insist on making buggy whips.....

...and/or reducing Christianity to a sales pitch.  :-

The gospel is not a sales pitch. It is the hope for the lost. It will transform lifes.

Then why try to sell it like you would a set of encyclopedias?

[quote author=wtyson]We have a responsiblity to go where they are. Yes...shine the light at work. Yes...shine the light at school...Yes...Shine the light to those you know. I absolutely refuse to surrender or community to the JWs and Mormons because Christians are too lazy or afraid to get out of their comfort zone and knock on someone's door. [/quote]

There's a guy I know. He preached in church every once and a while. He occasionally gave a speech when a crowd gathered. He even went from town to town, having an itinerant ministry and all, although those visits often ended up being parties with all the non-church folk. The vast majority of the ministering though was spent discipling twelve guys on what the Kingdom of God actually looked like in their everyday lives. What didn't happen in this ministry was door-to-door sales-pitch evangelism; in fact, the concept of sales pitch evangelism was foreign to the entire process.

Oh yeah...that guy I know...His name is Jesus.

[quote author=wtyson]Are there those who cannot physical go...sure...for 8 years we had a man who prayed for us every Thursday night. He could not physically go out. You know what I found out, at the age of 88 he started to drive to 4 neighbors a week...get out his walker and knock on their door and tell them that Jesus loved them. He had a burden for souls that put me to shame. He went to heaven last week. I don't want to ever lose a passion for souls saved. [/quote]

Are you saying that people who don't knock on doors aren't burdened for others?

[quote author=wtyson]Every Sunday we run 13 buses and vans...the vast majority of those who come are there because SOMEONE knocked on a door...[/quote]

You know what would be better than you filling up 13 buses and vans? Those bus- and van-fulls of people finding a group of like-minded believers in their own communities where they could "let [their] light so shine before men...". I'm not a big fan of commuter church-goers; find a church in your neighborhood and be an impact where you live.

[quote author=wtyson]While I fully agree the warmest visit are with those you know it does not absolve us from reaching that neighbor 5 doors down with the gospel! We started Operation 1000 last year. We asked our members to pray and seek opportunities to reach 1000 of their friends and family...[/quote]

I'm also not a fan of measuring "success" in our "Christianity" by what numbers we can put up. If that is "success", Osteen has one of the most "successful" ministries in Christendom.

[quote author=wtyson]...We have had many saved because of this effort.[/quote]

What does "saved" mean?

[quote author=wtyson]I believe door to door soul winning is one method of many to evangelize and fulfill the great commission. Christians today have gotten complacent! Jesus Christ is coming soon! Run the buses...knock on doors...pass out tracks...support missionaries![/quote]

I believe it is a method. I also believe that it cheapens the Gospel, is primarily good as a works-based structure whereby one (falsely) believes they can earn God's favor, and propagates the idea that one can evaluate how "Christian" something is by how many numbers one can put up. Furthermore, it results in people believing they are "saved" because they said a little prayer, resulting in a lot of false converts who have an assurance of salvation that is based on nothing more than a little prayer they said one time
[/quote]Amen to 1/2 of your post.  Comparing numbers is not wise.  Spending a few minutes with someone, then praying with them, is not soul-winning (A soul is not 'won' until it is a fruit bearing tree, which brings forth more tree-producing fruit) .  And 'Amen' to us not earning God's favor through works.
  We'll disagree often enough, so this post is only to 'amen'.

Anishinabe

 
FreeToBeMe said:
Good old door-to-door soul winning.

Meet 'em, Win 'em, Count 'em, Forget 'em
Unfortunately, that describes a lot of people's definition of  'soulwinning', just not God's. 
  My beloved brothers and sisters, that I met knocking doors, who have taken up their crosses, and are following Jesus,...didn't mind that I knocked on their doors.  They don't mind that I was a stranger.  They thank me frequently, as they thank God who sent me, for it.  So I can't share with you any negative feeling towards knocking on doors.  I can, however, share loathing for the numbers racket.

Anishinabe
 
Frag said:
Just got back from soul winning!

Had 29 saved using the ol 1-2-3-pray-after-me method!!!  God is good!

Can't wait to brag to the people tonight. 

Soul Winning Works!!!!

Acts 20:21
"I have declared to both Jews and Greeks that they must turn to God in repentance and have faith in our Lord Jesus."

How many repented?  ???
 
[quote author=prophet]  We'll disagree often enough, so this post is only to 'amen'.

Anishinabe[/quote]

;)
 
Frag said:
Just got back from soul winning!

Had 29 saved using the ol 1-2-3-pray-after-me method!!!  God is good!

Can't wait to brag to the people tonight. 

Soul Winning Works!!!!

Was this a 'parody post', use of hyperbole, done tongue in cheek or a serious post?
Before I offer a witty comeback...:)
 
Tarheel Baptist said:
Frag said:
Just got back from soul winning!

Had 29 saved using the ol 1-2-3-pray-after-me method!!!  God is good!

Can't wait to brag to the people tonight. 

Soul Winning Works!!!!

Was this a 'parody post', use of hyperbole, done tongue in cheek or a serious post?
Before I offer a witty comeback...:)

It's Frag.  What do you think?

:)

These morons are so easy....
 
Frag said:
Tarheel Baptist said:
Frag said:
Just got back from soul winning!

Had 29 saved using the ol 1-2-3-pray-after-me method!!!  God is good!

Can't wait to brag to the people tonight. 

Soul Winning Works!!!!

Was this a 'parody post', use of hyperbole, done tongue in cheek or a serious post?
Before I offer a witty comeback...:)

It's Frag.  What do you think?

:)

These morons are so easy....

I thought so...but found out that, online, some people don't recognize or understand when those methods are used...they sometimes don't translate well on-line.
They'll accuse you of lying, bragging or hypocrisy.....not that those don't apply to you...we just can't use that post to prove it! :D
 
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